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#41 Radar

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:41 AM

You don't have to care at all.  It's your choice, it always is.
 
I think the point you are missing is that there's a world of difference between a little good-natured ribbing and being a complete jackhole.  Being happy for someone doesn't have to equate to you throwing them a party.  I have friends who are fans of other teams I personally can't stand but when their teams win I don't go up to them and tell them to F off.  
 
Are all your friends only fans of the team you root for?  Do you not have friends who root for another team?  I despise the Bruins but I was happy for friends of mine from Boston who got to celebrate their winning.  
 
From the way you are coming across, at least to me, you'd punch your friend in the face for being happy about his team winning and telling you about it.  If that's how you want to be perceived then congratulations, you've succeeded.

I amen this. Thank you!!

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:39 AM

The Sabres currently have 55million against the cap and roughly 24million in space depending on the new limit. There are 13 players under contract on the NHL roster. there are 32 player contracts. I would guess that at least 2 players in that 13 are traded this offseason. Botterill survived the worst year as far as our cap goes. It gets better every year going forward now.


We've been basically the worst team in the league almost every season over the last half decade. Biding our time and idly waiting for these bad contract to lapse over time just perpetuates the losing. Waiting 2 more seasons to replace Bogosian essentially wastes 2/3 of Mittelstadt's and Dahlin's ELC. If that how GMJB chooses to play it that's his perogative but I see it as a waste.

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:49 AM

We've been basically the worst team in the league almost every season over the last half decade. Biding our time and idly waiting for these bad contract to lapse over time just perpetuates the losing. Waiting 2 more seasons to replace Bogosian essentially wastes 2/3 of Mittelstadt's and Dahlin's ELC. If that how GMJB chooses to play it that's his perogative but I see it as a waste.

 

No.

 

Living with a couple of bad contracts -- like every team in the NHL does -- doesn't mean that the Sabres are writing off the season.  It just means that JBott has determined that the team is better off living with those contracts than it would be if it paid the price to another team to take those contracts.

 

If teams were unable to win with a couple of bad contracts, then no team would win.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:50 AM

We've been basically the worst team in the league almost every season over the last half decade. Biding our time and idly waiting for these bad contract to lapse over time just perpetuates the losing. Waiting 2 more seasons to replace Bogosian essentially wastes 2/3 of Mittelstadt's and Dahlin's ELC. If that how GMJB chooses to play it that's his perogative but I see it as a waste.

If we were spending to the cap I might agree with you, but because of our youth we can afford Bogo for another year or two even if he plays sparingly or not at all. Between Dahlin, Nelson, Scandella, Risto, Guhle, McCabe, and Pilut we have the makings of a capable and young D group with or without Bogo. If Bogo remains injured he goes on LTIR and we regain his cap hit if we spend to the cap. If he passes his physical soon Jbot may also be able to buy him out saving us $4 mill in cap each of the next two years if necessary.

On the other side, if this surgery proves successful, there actually is a chance we might get some value from this contract. Regardless Bogo’s deal isn’t holding the Sabres back at this point. It’s really more a symbol of TM’s bad judgement as a GM.

Edited by GASabresIUFAN, 22 May 2018 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:16 PM

No.

Living with a couple of bad contracts -- like every team in the NHL does -- doesn't mean that the Sabres are writing off the season. It just means that JBott has determined that the team is better off living with those contracts than it would be if it paid the price to another team to take those contracts.

If teams were unable to win with a couple of bad contracts, then no team would win.


Other teams can win with deadwood. Probably because those guys ride the pine 9r 4th line/bottom pairing in good organizations while they get penciled in for the top 4 and/or PP time for us. Expecting Zach Bogosian to handle top 4 minutes entering a new season is flat out irresponsible at this point and GMJB did that with his clean slate.

3 players, $15 million for 66 games and 3 points of production doesn't look like trying to win to me. They waived one bum. I think they should be more proactive in ditching the others. If you can't trade them you can still demote them.

2 AHL defensemen and an AHL forward on 1 year deals to take their places would likely produce better results. I don't know who officially replaced Moulson but whoever it was only had to score a single point to outscore him.

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:33 PM

Other teams can win with deadwood. Probably because those guys ride the pine 9r 4th line/bottom pairing in good organizations while they get penciled in for the top 4 and/or PP time for us. Expecting Zach Bogosian to handle top 4 minutes entering a new season is flat out irresponsible at this point and GMJB did that with his clean slate.

3 players, $15 million for 66 games and 3 points of production doesn't look like trying to win to me. They waived one bum. I think they should be more proactive in ditching the others. If you can't trade them you can still demote them.

2 AHL defensemen and an AHL forward on 1 year deals to take their places would likely produce better results. I don't know who officially replaced Moulson but whoever it was only had to score a single point to outscore him.

 

But they did use 2 AHL defensemen and an AHL forward instead of the guys you're referring to.  They waived Moulson, Bogosian played 18 games and Gorges played 34 games.

 

No one is disagreeing with the premise that the Sabres would be better off without those 3 contracts.  I just think you're well underestimating the difficulty/price involved in unloading them and well overestimating the harm suffered by failing to ditch them.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:34 PM

Other teams can win with deadwood. Probably because those guys ride the pine 9r 4th line/bottom pairing in good organizations while they get penciled in for the top 4 and/or PP time for us. Expecting Zach Bogosian to handle top 4 minutes entering a new season is flat out irresponsible at this point and GMJB did that with his clean slate.

3 players, $15 million for 66 games and 3 points of production doesn't look like trying to win to me. They waived one bum. I think they should be more proactive in ditching the others. If you can't trade them you can still demote them.

2 AHL defensemen and an AHL forward on 1 year deals to take their places would likely produce better results. I don't know who officially replaced Moulson but whoever it was only had to score a single point to outscore him.

They did demote them. Moulson went to the AHL. Bogo was injured. Gorges barely played. Gorges average TOI was 14:56 this past season compared to an 8 year average of 20:29. Bogosian literally cannot be demoted because he is injured. Gorges no longer is on the team. Moulson is effectively gone because of his permanent demotion. Literally what more do you want Botterill to do? I have no ill will towards Botts for spending a couple months at the beginning of the season seeing who would sink or swim. At least now I don't have to listen too, "they should have played Moulson more than Baptiste because Moulson was good 2 years ago and just needed another chance". I don't have to listen to it because Moulson effectively burned that bridge. Gorges looked slow and out of place, he burned that bridge. Bogo was injured so we have no idea there. 

 

This is the 2nd post where you tossed out the 3 players 15million for 66 games thing. The issue again with this number is that you are not taking into account the money we got back all season basically for Bogo being on LTIR. That wasn't wasted money because we could have used it. Moulson once demoted only counted like 3.85 or something against the cap. Gorges was 3.9 million. So you are upset over roughly 7.8mil in dead cap which would have done what for us? The teams problems aren't cap problems, they are a lack of depth and talent due to poor drafting over the past 10 years withe exception of hopefully Murray's last 2 years. 7.8mil in dead cap on team where it's leading scorer made 925k plus bonuses really isn't the reason we finished last. 



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:30 PM

What's incredible about Vegas is most of their roster and top players were guys that were given away, and some their previous team actually paid Vegas to take. Then throw in their coach had been fired and not even given a ride home after being fired while on the road. They are basically the team of misfit players.