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#81 TheCerebral1

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:08 AM

The only way I'm trading him in division is if it's detrimental to the core of Montreal.  It is going to take Poehling, 1st in 2018, 2nd in 2018 or 2019 and another piece.  It's going to hurt them to make this deal.  If we're going to purge, then purge all the way.  Burn it out and make it a clean break.  For all those that are sitting here talking about Ryan O'Reilly, I understand how important to the team.  That he is the best two way player.  However, in order to tear down the roster, you have to include pieces other teams want.  Okposo, Bogosian, Moulson, Pominville, Beaulieu have zero value.  Eichel, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Scandella you aren't trading.  That leaves, O'Reilly, Ristolainen, Rodrigues, Bailey, Baptiste, Nylander, and other secondary pieces. 



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:45 PM

not sure on this, not sure if he wants out. if i was botts i would be moving risto first and that would depend on getting dahlin. But if ROR doesnt want to be here do we just go our seperate ways??

I think Risto gets unfairly blamed much like Myers did. In both cases young guys who were way ahead of the curve when they started but expectations were too high as a result and both floundered after rather than getting the slower development D men usually require. Risto should and could still be a great 2nd pairing D man, but not a 35-40 minutes guy or a first pairing "he's our star" kind of guy. Get a better D and let him be who he should be, your 3rd best. 



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:31 AM

Sign Tavares then trade ROR for Nylander

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:21 PM

My comprehensive lunchtime list of acceptable ROR trades:

 

One for one: McAvoy, Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Matthews, Barkov, Trocheck, Karlsson, almost but not quite Mark Stone, Backstrom, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Provorov, Jones, Werenski, Hall, Hischier, Slavin, Barzal, Tavares (in a vacuum, not as a pending UFA), Subban, Ekholm, Ellis, Josi, Forsberg, Scheifele, Laine, Trouba, MacKinnon, Tarasenko, Parayko, Pietrangelo, Klingberg, Seguin, P. Kane, Lindholm, Doughty, Kopitar, Gaudreau, Hamilton, McDavid, Dahlin pick

 

With an additional piece: Point, McDonagh, Kadri, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Huberdeau, Ekblad, Stone, Kuznetsov, Giroux, Voracek, Patrick, Panarin, Aho, Pesce, Leddy, Johansen, Turris, Wheeler (age), Ehlers, Dumba, maybe Brodin with a bigger add, Spurgeon, Rantanen, Benn (age), Fowler, Manson, Montour, Burns, Vlasic?, Monahan, Klefbom, Draisaitl, Pettersson, OEL, Keller

 

Multiple lesser pieces: Two of Sergachev/Gourde/Stralman//Palat/Johnson, Carlo+Heinen+Nash, Larkin+Mantha/DeKeyser, Chabot+White+Hoffman, Orlov+Burakovsky+something else, Nutivaara+Carlsson+Bjorkstrand, Staal + Hanifin + Teravainen, Zibanejad + Skjei, Fabbro + Arvidsson, Roslovic + Morrissey + Armia + Lowry (Winnipeg's 4th line is amazing for a 4th line), Eriksson Ek + Granlund, Landeskog + Barrie/Girard, Dunn+Edmundson+Kyrou, Miller/Theodore + Karlsson, Rakell + Larsson, Meier + Pavelski + something, Chychrun + Domi + Dvorak + something

 

Note, I understand that plenty of these have me over-valuing ROR, but I see no reason to trade him unless it clearly makes our team better now/for the foreseeable future, and I think these are the trades that would do that. Some of these players I havent watched closely for a year or two and might be older and worse and I might have missed some up and coming names. But GM, if you ain't prepared to give up this stuff, then ###### off



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:23 PM

My comprehensive lunchtime list of acceptable ROR trades:

 

One for one: McAvoy, Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Matthews, Barkov, Trocheck, Karlsson, almost but not quite Mark Stone, Backstrom, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Provorov, Jones, Werenski, Hall, Hischier, Slavin, Barzal, Tavares (in a vacuum, not as a pending UFA), Subban, Ekholm, Ellis, Josi, Forsberg, Scheifele, Laine, Trouba, MacKinnon, Tarasenko, Parayko, Pietrangelo, Klingberg, Seguin, P. Kane, Lindholm, Doughty, Kopitar, Gaudreau, Hamilton, McDavid, Dahlin pick

 

With an additional piece: Point, McDonagh, Kadri, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Huberdeau, Ekblad, Stone, Kuznetsov, Giroux, Voracek, Patrick, Panarin, Aho, Pesce, Leddy, Johansen, Turris, Wheeler (age), Ehlers, Dumba, maybe Brodin with a bigger add, Spurgeon, Rantanen, Benn (age), Fowler, Manson, Montour, Burns, Vlasic?, Monahan, Klefbom, Draisaitl, Pettersson, OEL, Keller

 

Multiple lesser pieces: Two of Sergachev/Gourde/Stralman//Palat/Johnson, Carlo+Heinen+Nash, Larkin+Mantha/DeKeyser, Chabot+White+Hoffman, Orlov+Burakovsky+something else, Nutivaara+Carlsson+Bjorkstrand, Staal + Hanifin + Teravainen, Zibanejad + Skjei, Fabbro + Arvidsson, Roslovic + Morrissey + Armia + Lowry (Winnipeg's 4th line is amazing for a 4th line), Eriksson Ek + Granlund, Landeskog + Barrie/Girard, Dunn+Edmundson+Kyrou, Miller/Theodore + Karlsson, Rakell + Larsson, Meier + Pavelski + something, Chychrun + Domi + Dvorak + something

 

Note, I understand that plenty of these have me over-valuing ROR, but I see no reason to trade him unless it clearly makes our team better now/for the foreseeable future, and I think these are the trades that would do that. Some of these players I havent watched closely for a year or two and might be older and worse and I might have missed some up and coming names. But GM, if you ain't prepared to give up this stuff, then ###### off

 

Before I comment, I kindly ask that you include the TRpm for each of the individuals you listed above.   Thank You.  



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:24 PM

Before I comment, I kindly ask that you include the TRpm for each of the individuals you listed above.   Thank You.  

I never did get that code running lol



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

I never did get that code running lol

 

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:13 PM

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Oh stop your gonna get impeached anyway... crap no politics :)

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:09 PM

After reading comments from Risto and Reinhart and Okposo I do not know what to make of HCPH. The main complaint seems to be too much X and O and thinking. It seems to me they had the exact same complaint with the last coach. These guys need to learn how to play within a system and follow that system and if their skills do not match the system then they need to be moved or you need a new coach really that simple. It is up to the players to learn the system and figure out how their skill set fits. If a player takes it upon himself to freelance he may be improving his own statistics but the whole team suffers. I honestly do not know what the answer is but I sincerely hope that JBOT can figure it out.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 07:42 AM

Thxs 11, you're right we should discuss it here. Also right, depends on the return.

We can't keep bleeding talent. If I can get Tkachuk, juolevi and something I might do it but I'm not trading ROR unless I think the long term (2 years) is better.





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