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When will Jack have a breakout game this season?


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:43 AM

I read it as PA saying that Tavares was heralded as a saviour when he was drafted.
He has been very good, perhaps a top 10 player over his career.
But the team has remained mediocre.
So he’s terrified that if Jack is Joh, our team will follow the same pattern.

 

To be honest, unless JBot can assemble and uncommonly good supporting cast, that is my expectation. 



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:51 AM

Expand on this, please.

 

PA, that wasn't a challenge.  I was hoping to get more detail on this line of thought.  I'm genuinely curious what you mean by macro vs. micro.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:18 PM

Outside Johnny T’s first 3 seasons, he has lead them to the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and they are playing excellent hockey this season.

Last season was a transition year. Starting last year, their GM dumped or traded some older players or top prospects that weren’t working out (Okposo, Martin, Neilsen, plus Strome this summer), clearing space for other prospects add players, such as Barzal, Pulock, Pelech, Eberle and Ladd and they are better for it.

Edited by Georgia Flakt, 17 December 2017 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:34 PM

PA, that wasn't a challenge.  I was hoping to get more detail on this line of thought.  I'm genuinely curious what you mean by macro vs. micro.

Team vs. individual achievement. Tavares hasn't been good enough to take the Isles anywhere. Not sure anyone could be, actually.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:30 PM

Team vs. individual achievement. Tavares hasn't been good enough to take the Isles anywhere. Not sure anyone could be, actually.

The problem with the NYI has been the failure of Strome to become a star and trading away Neidderrieter plus never getting or developing high quality goaltenders. They have forward depth and an excellent D group.

If I’m Jbot I might try to work a deal for Lehner to the Islanders for a young(ish) D.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:25 AM

Expand on this, please.
 
The more I read my last post, the more pessimistic I feel.  JT showed very obvious development, as seen by where he stood in league scoring those first 3 years.  Jack appears to be fairly stagnant relative to his competition.  We assume he's got so much more than he is showing. Could we be that wrong?

  

Plenty of players take a "step back" during development. More often that not, actually, they'll have a point in development when they slump.

Jack hasn't been stagnant at all. He took a huge step forward last year after a really good rookie year. He's taken a step back this year (through only 30 odd games), but seems to be coming on lately.

I don't see a reason to be pessimistic yet.

To be honest, unless JBot can assemble and uncommonly good supporting cast, that is my expectation.


You don't need an uncommonly good roster to not be mediocre. You just need a good one.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:27 AM

i feel another 3 or 4 point night coming for Jack in his hometown.