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#81 That Aud Smell

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:08 AM

It's only a terrible look if you refuse to acknowledge:

  • He was on the ice for over 2 minutes already and was not just standing around.
  • The player coming off the bench is his defensive cover.
  • He's gliding because he did skate hard enough to get back to cover the 3rd guy high.
  • He's resting himself to use energy to get the puck out of the zone without having to ice it.

All of these things are done to help prevent a bad situation.  He certainly can't help that they scored.  He can't help that Antipin was caught too low in the offensive zone and forced a slight 2 on 1 that caused Beaulieu to have to play off Williams farther than he should have. Look at this way.  If that puck is a save with a rebound or into the corner then Eichel would have to defend against fresh legs of Carolina.  If the puck does not go in the net and stays live, Eichel is in perfect defensive position to play the 3rd guy entering the zone.

 

He was on the ice for 2 minutes during a power play. I suspect he did a fair amount of standing around during that time.

 

I'll defer on whether and to what extent Eichel had his defensive cover responsibility in mind when he started gliding through the neutral zone. I have my doubts.

 

I did see Eichel give a couple of strides when the play went the other way. Good job there, I guess.

 

I saw him resting while the player with the puck dipsy-doodled for a crucial 2 extra seconds and roofed the puck.

 

Your analysis above seems cogent, and quite plausible. I'm just not convinced that's what actually happened, insofar as Eichel's thought process is concerned. Maybe it did.



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

It's only a terrible look if you refuse to acknowledge:

  • He was on the ice for over 2 minutes already and was not just standing around.
  • The player coming off the bench is his defensive cover.
  • He's gliding because he did skate hard enough to get back to cover the 3rd guy high.
  • He's resting himself to use energy to get the puck out of the zone without having to ice it.

All of these things are done to help prevent a bad situation.  He certainly can't help that they scored.  He can't help that Antipin was caught too low in the offensive zone and forced a slight 2 on 1 that caused Beaulieu to have to play off Williams farther than he should have. Look at this way.  If that puck is a save with a rebound or into the corner then Eichel would have to defend against fresh legs of Carolina.  If the puck does not go in the net and stays live, Eichel is in perfect defensive position to play the 3rd guy entering the zone.

I've turned and am with you on this. I think you have it correct.

I might buy it if this wasn't the millionth time we've talked about this same issue with him



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

It's only a terrible look if you refuse to acknowledge:

  • He was on the ice for over 2 minutes already and was not just standing around.
  • The player coming off the bench is his defensive cover.
  • He's gliding because he did skate hard enough to get back to cover the 3rd guy high.
  • He's resting himself to use energy to get the puck out of the zone without having to ice it.

All of these things are done to help prevent a bad situation.  He certainly can't help that they scored.  He can't help that Antipin was caught too low in the offensive zone and forced a slight 2 on 1 that caused Beaulieu to have to play off Williams farther than he should have. Look at this way.  If that puck is a save with a rebound or into the corner then Eichel would have to defend against fresh legs of Carolina.  If the puck does not go in the net and stays live, Eichel is in perfect defensive position to play the 3rd guy entering the zone.

 

This is not an unreasonable view of that one play.  



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:14 PM

He was on the ice for 2 minutes during a power play. I suspect he did a fair amount of standing around during that time.

 

I'll defer on whether and to what extent Eichel had his defensive cover responsibility in mind when he started gliding through the neutral zone. I have my doubts.

 

I did see Eichel give a couple of strides when the play went the other way. Good job there, I guess.

 

I saw him resting while the player with the puck dipsy-doodled for a crucial 2 extra seconds and roofed the puck.

 

Your analysis above seems cogent, and quite plausible. I'm just not convinced that's what actually happened, insofar as Eichel's thought process is concerned. Maybe it did.

 

I think we're at a good point.  Anything more and someone is going to have to get that horse.gif out. :)

 

I might buy it if this wasn't the millionth time we've talked about this same issue with him

 

It's the analysis of a single situation.  It's fair to say Eichel is lazy.  It's just not necessarily fair to say he was lazy on that play.  It's like saying Bartolo Colon is not an overall home run hitter, but he did hit a home run.

 

This is not an unreasonable view of that one play.  

 

And it was not meant to be more than that.  :)



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:20 PM

It's the analysis of a single situation.  It's fair to say Eichel is lazy.  It's just not necessarily fair to say he was lazy on that play.  It's like saying Bartolo Colon is not an overall home run hitter, but he did hit a home run.

I mean we're analyzing that situation trying to figure out why he was lazy in that play, and I think it's just him and I'm basing that off of all the other times I've seen it. It's more like saying Bartolo Colon is not an overall home run hitter, so when he doesn't hit one I'm not surprised 



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:27 PM

I mean we're analyzing that situation trying to figure out why he was lazy in that play, and I think it's just him and I'm basing that off of all the other times I've seen it. It's more like saying Bartolo Colon is not an overall home run hitter, so when he doesn't hit one I'm not surprised 

 

Wait - so was Eichel drifting back onto that play tantamount to Colon hitting a home run?



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:30 PM

Wait - so was Eichel drifting back onto that play tantamount to Colon hitting a home run?

Opposite. Eichel routinely drifts back...well everywhere really. Colon routinely does not hit home runs. So when Eichel drifts, and Colon does not hit a home run, I'm not going to analyze the specific factors that go into it, because they're different in every situation. The history shows that Colon is simply a bad hitter, no matter the pitcher he's facing, what his own pitch count is, etc., and that Eichel is simply bad defensively/lazy, no matter the length of his shift or his opponent.


Edited by WildCard, 21 November 2017 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:51 PM

Opposite. Eichel routinely drifts back...well everywhere really. Colon routinely does not hit home runs. So when Eichel drifts, and Colon does not hit a home run, I'm not going to analyze the specific factors that go into it, because they're different in every situation. The history shows that Colon is simply a bad hitter, no matter the pitcher he's facing, what his own pitch count is, etc., and that Eichel is simply bad defensively/lazy, no matter the length of his shift or his opponent.

 

Ah, sorry. My phrasing confused the matter. I was reading that what Eichel did might have looked like drifting back into the play, but it was actually getting back into the play



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:32 PM

Just shoot me.



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:39 PM

Just shoot me.


Nope. You have to go through this with the rest of us.

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 05:20 PM

I read the thread title as "Logan Couture" every time.


Haha same.

Well. That’s ... something, anyway.
Still a terrible look.


Ya. If you are staying out so long that it prohibits you from getting back on D, don't stay out so long. I don't care if it's on the PP. "I had a long shift" is a terrible excuse.

Edited by Thorny, 21 November 2017 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 08:42 AM

Haha same.


Ya. If you are staying out so long that it prohibits you from getting back on D, don't stay out so long. I don't care if it's on the PP. "I had a long shift" is a terrible excuse.

 

It boils down to this.  Either you understand what happened on that goal and what led up to it or you don't.  I think you can go looking for anything and potentially tie it in to fit some narrative that Jack is lazy.  In this case you now what to call him out for a long shift when most of the PP unit was on the ice for 2 minutes and it was probably a coaching decision as to how long they were out there.

 

You can ignore everything that has been laid out and just call him lazy.  There is no conversation to be had at that point.  If you want to believe he was lazy on that play despite any discussion that states the opposite it's your choice.

 

I used to coach a kid who skated really hard all the time.  ALL THE TIME.  This was great at the younger levels because most kids didn't understand positioning.  As kids began to pass more this kid looked like a chump on the ice because he'd basically be the man in the middle and never be near the play.  Sure he was hauling butt around the ice but he was never in the right position.

 

There are times when skating at 100% top speed is not required and in fact a really stupid idea.  In this case I'm seeing people now saying he was gliding back, yes he was.  It was not an incorrect thing to do at that point.  If he skated hard he'd be out of position.  He's where he needs to be and he's waiting for a opponent to come into his coverage zone.

 

Now get out the damn horse.gif.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:05 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. It read as borderline jibberish to me. But thanks for showing up with a predictable defense of Harrington.

I know who Tennyson is — am unfamiliar with that phrase from him.

We need a cat licking itself emoji. (I made up the Tennyson bit.)



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:08 AM

Just want to take a break from Jack's back pressure discussion.

This thread was started because of Foligno and Ennis comments.

Were they part of the problem? They hadn't won anything except for some World Junior teams.

Is Scandella a leader of our turning point, coming from a "winning" culture? He not a #1 minute muncher but he's a good 2-3 D-man who may have some leadership skills.

JBot will have to create a culture here, it will take time, you can't drop a Messier into that room and say "fixed". Even Messier sucked in Vancouver.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:15 AM

We need a cat licking itself emoji. (I made up the Tennyson bit.)

 

That's not nice at all. Messing with our fragile minds like that. Would your mother be proud of you right now?

 

Just want to take a break from Jack's back pressure discussion.

This thread was started because of Foligno and Ennis comments.

Were they part of the problem? They hadn't won anything except for some World Junior teams.

Is Scandella a leader of our turning point, coming from a "winning" culture? He not a #1 minute muncher but he's a good 2-3 D-man who may have some leadership skills.

JBot will have to create a culture here, it will take time, you can't drop a Messier into that room and say "fixed". Even Messier sucked in Vancouver.

 

I keep thinking a Messier will drop from the sky and take hold of this team. It is my hope. But the reality is it takes a long time. It will happen and we won't know it's happening if/when this team starts to win. It will takes us a long time to even realize who our Messier is.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

I keep thinking a Messier will drop from the sky and take hold of this team. It is my hope. But the reality is it takes a long time. It will happen and we won't know it's happening if/when this team starts to win. It will takes us a long time to even realize who our Messier is.

Justin Falk.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:32 AM

minute muncher


I can't believe you found out my wife's nickname for me.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:40 AM

I can't believe you found out my wife's nickname for me.

 

Sure it's not her nickname for you?  :)



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:09 AM

I can't believe you found out my wife's nickname for me.

Well played

 

Sure it's not her nickname for you?  :)

That's seconds shover 



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:12 AM

Well played

 

That's seconds shover 

 

:)

 

I was thinking more adjectively.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:51 PM

ink is back, baby!!!



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

ink is back, baby!!!


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 08:54 PM

Haha same.

Ya. If you are staying out so long that it prohibits you from getting back on D, don't stay out so long. I don't care if it's on the PP. "I had a long shift" is a terrible excuse.

 

 

It boils down to this.  Either you understand what happened on that goal and what led up to it or you don't.  I think you can go looking for anything and potentially tie it in to fit some narrative that Jack is lazy.  In this case you now what to call him out for a long shift when most of the PP unit was on the ice for 2 minutes and it was probably a coaching decision as to how long they were out there.
 
You can ignore everything that has been laid out and just call him lazy.  There is no conversation to be had at that point.  If you want to believe he was lazy on that play despite any discussion that states the opposite it's your choice.
 
I used to coach a kid who skated really hard all the time.  ALL THE TIME.  This was great at the younger levels because most kids didn't understand positioning.  As kids began to pass more this kid looked like a chump on the ice because he'd basically be the man in the middle and never be near the play.  Sure he was hauling butt around the ice but he was never in the right position.
 
There are times when skating at 100% top speed is not required and in fact a really stupid idea.  In this case I'm seeing people now saying he was gliding back, yes he was.  It was not an incorrect thing to do at that point.  If he skated hard he'd be out of position.  He's where he needs to be and he's waiting for a opponent to come into his coverage zone.
 
Now get out the damn horse.gif.


I must be incapable of understanding such deep concepts. I forgot, your hockey knowledge is complete and mine is non-existent. I'll defer to you on this I suppose.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:00 PM

It boils down to this.  Either you understand what happened on that goal and what led up to it or you don't.  I think you can go looking for anything and potentially tie it in to fit some narrative that Jack is lazy.  In this case you now what to call him out for a long shift when most of the PP unit was on the ice for 2 minutes and it was probably a coaching decision as to how long they were out there.

 

You can ignore everything that has been laid out and just call him lazy.  There is no conversation to be had at that point.  If you want to believe he was lazy on that play despite any discussion that states the opposite it's your choice.

 

I used to coach a kid who skated really hard all the time.  ALL THE TIME.  This was great at the younger levels because most kids didn't understand positioning.  As kids began to pass more this kid looked like a chump on the ice because he'd basically be the man in the middle and never be near the play.  Sure he was hauling butt around the ice but he was never in the right position.

 

There are times when skating at 100% top speed is not required and in fact a really stupid idea.  In this case I'm seeing people now saying he was gliding back, yes he was.  It was not an incorrect thing to do at that point.  If he skated hard he'd be out of position.  He's where he needs to be and he's waiting for a opponent to come into his coverage zone.

 

Now get out the damn horse.gif.

It's not a narrative though. The national media has been blasting him for it. Local media has been all over it. Numerous and various types of posters with much different views have all said the same thing about him, for 3 years now. He has done that exact play a million times regardless of any other factor. The only common denominator is what everyone everywhere has been saying: he's a floater



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:45 PM

 

 
I must be incapable of understanding such deep concepts. I forgot, your hockey knowledge is complete and mine is non-existent. I'll defer to you on this I suppose.

 

You're wonderfully passive aggressive.  I've stepped back from my statement in the GDT.  I've never said my hockey knowledge is complete, it is not.  You should not infer that it is.  

 

It's not a narrative though. The national media has been blasting him for it. Local media has been all over it. Numerous and various types of posters with much different views have all said the same thing about him, for 3 years now. He has done that exact play a million times regardless of any other factor. The only common denominator is what everyone everywhere has been saying: he's a floater

 

It's forcing a narrative when it doesn't apply to this play.  Pure and simple.  He's in the right position despite having been on the ice for over 2 minutes.  He's conserving energy because the puck will be in his zone assuming Williams does not score.  He's doing EVERYTHING right.  Regardless of anything else he's done, his play, in this instance, is absolutely correct.

 

Does he float?  Yes.  Is he lazy?  Yes.  

 

Was he lazy here? No.

 

If you insist on labeling him as a lazy floater on this play then you really are pushing the narrative.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:53 PM

You're wonderfully passive aggressive. I've stepped back from my statement in the GDT. I've never said my hockey knowledge is complete, it is not. You should not infer that it is.



It's forcing a narrative when it doesn't apply to this play. Pure and simple. He's in the right position despite having been on the ice for over 2 minutes. He's conserving energy because the puck will be in his zone assuming Williams does not score. He's doing EVERYTHING right. Regardless of anything else he's done, his play, in this instance, is absolutely correct.

Does he float? Yes. Is he lazy? Yes.

Was he lazy here? No.

If you insist on labeling him as a lazy floater on this play then you really are pushing the narrative.


Says the guy with the personal insults :lol:

The wording in a lot of your posts is borderline offensive.

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With a straight face you knock others for having an interpretation of the play, and say things like the bolded above. You somehow know what Eichel was thinking on the play?

Good grief.

You are the one with the narrative, if anyone has one, because while others are reacting to what they saw, you are forming your opinion based on what you think Eichel was thinking.

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I'm good with ceasing the bickering at this point. I'm sure you are stand-up dude (seriously), but we're butting heads here. No need.

Edited by Thorny, 22 November 2017 - 11:31 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:00 PM

@BrianWGR Jordan Nolan says when he was with the Kings that players would hold guys accountable... taking bad shots, long shifts, players would hear it. Gave impression that it's not happening here. Says it better start or it will be a long season and long seasons to come. #Sabres

https://twitter.com/...529898702069760

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:02 PM

Lost in all this was the perfect ###### shot that went top corner within a red c hair of tolerance. Sometimes everyone does everything right and they still score.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:17 PM

@BrianWGR Jordan Nolan says when he was with the Kings that players would hold guys accountable... taking bad shots, long shifts, players would hear it. Gave impression that it's not happening here. Says it better start or it will be a long season and long seasons to come. #Sabres
https://twitter.com/...529898702069760


There are guys on this team, like Nolan, Scandella and Pommers, who played for winning teams and know what it takes to play at that level. They need to pull Jack, Sam, and ROR aside and say time to grow up and play big boy hockey.

Management needs to strip the A’s off all the guys who have them now and give them out game by game to those who are actually showing effective leadership. If no one does, then no one gets one.

Guys who don’t put forth the right effort need to be sent to the pressbox. The bad eggs need to be traded or waived even if it is for a bag of used pucks. Until there are consequences for bad effort, there won’t be positive change.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:42 PM

There are guys on this team, like Nolan, Scandella and Pommers, who played for winning teams and know what it takes to play at that level. They need to pull Jack, Sam, and ROR aside and say time to grow up and play big boy hockey.
Management needs to strip the A’s off all the guys who have them now and give them out game by game to those who are actually showing effective leadership. If no one does, then no one gets one.
Guys who don’t put forth the right effort need to be sent to the pressbox. The bad eggs need to be traded or waived even if it is for a bag of used pucks. Until there are consequences for bad effort, there won’t be positive change.


I actually agree with pretty much all of this.

It's becoming blindingly apparent that Jack and Sam, while talented, are in desperate need and crying out for an alpha veteran precence to sort of grab them by their scruffs here and give them a nudge in the right direction. Nothing embarrassing, just a firm influence. I'm thinking of Erik Karlsson reeming his bench out before a comeback against Pittsburgh in the East Final last season. What a respected voice can do.

If someone could do this, I would name that man captain. Jack keeps the "A". Like a Patrick Kane in Chicago. Still the top offensive player, making (along with Toews) the most $.

I'm not sure Nolan has the credibility talent wise to do this. Pominville might, but does he have it within him? Scandella?

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:25 AM

Listen to Paul Hamilton's post game report (wild vs. buffalo 11/22/17)

 

Post-game meltdown in the locker room.  Pommer fuming; Nolan calling out the culture of the team (no accountability), Housley at wit's end with the group, and all that sort of good stuff.

 

Blow it up!  Rebuild the rebuild.  This group is done.  

 

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http://www.wgr550.co...-wild-sabresmp3


Edited by Kruppstahl, 23 November 2017 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:12 AM

@BrianWGR Jordan Nolan says when he was with the Kings that players would hold guys accountable... taking bad shots, long shifts, players would hear it. Gave impression that it's not happening here. Says it better start or it will be a long season and long seasons to come. #Sabres

https://twitter.com/...529898702069760

Jordan helicoptering his Wanker pretty loudly there. (thanks PA)

I like it.

Edited by inkman, 23 November 2017 - 03:12 AM.


#113 Fransk Kollektion

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:02 AM

Culture change doesn't happen overnight, we all know that. It's tough but I'm trying to be patient and trust JBot.

He came from a winning culture so let's see what he does. As I said earlier, there is no Messier to parachute into the dressing room, so they need to address the leadership from within and make some moves as they become available.

I thought I was done with this, but I will keep an eye on the 2018 draft lists now.

#114 Jacque Richard

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:56 AM

[quote name="Kruppstahl" post="1001061" timestamp="1511414731"]Listen to Paul Hamilton's post game report (wild vs. buffalo 11/22/17)
 
Post-game meltdown in the locker room.  Pommer fuming; Nolan calling out the culture of the team (no accountability), Housley at wit's end with the group, and all that sort of good stuff.
 
Blow it up!  Rebuild the rebuild.  This group is done.  
 
:w00t:
 
http://www.wgr550.co...-wild-sabresmp3[/quote

About time, I guess the coddling has done wonders. Nice fancy lockeroom too
Leadership where, I see no schoenfeld, mike Ramsey, or Danny gare there.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Its inexcusable the team as currently built basically peaked Eichel and Rheinharts rookie years and has been swirling down the toilet bowl ever since...they should be getting better but they are getting worse...

Its head scratching and really indefensible...almost like they just concede whenever they get down a goal and then they'll get a lucky bounce to score down 4-1 in the third and then try and tie it and often come close...

If they just played that way in the first period they wouldn't find themselves down so much.

Is it just me or does this team look like it has to work inordinately hard just to get out of their own zone? I mean they spend a LOT of energy just trying to clear the pick most nights...too many times they have an easy chance to get the puck out and it doesn't get out...its embarrassing when other teams make a pass or two and are coming back at us...

Culture change doesn't happen overnight, we all know that. It's tough but I'm trying to be patient and trust JBot.

He came from a winning culture so let's see what he does. As I said earlier, there is no Messier to parachute into the dressing room, so they need to address the leadership from within and make some moves as they become available.

I thought I was done with this, but I will keep an eye on the 2018 draft lists now.

The longer the losing keeps happening the further away he gets from it....its like a festering wound...it has to be treated quickly before it starts spreading

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

^ they chase the puck, all 5 players get caught on the same side of the ice, when they get the puck they're easy to defend because everyone is next to one another. This team is complete garbage. I go nuts every time I see them try a stretch pass from behind their own net. It never works. Automatic turnover because the player can't handle the pass or it's off target and goes to the opposing teams defense. Big changes are needed.

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