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#1 PAnnySabreFan

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 09:50 AM

I had no idea who Kyle Criscuolo was until reading the News today (oh boy). He's not a savior and no one should expect him to be.

 

But — damn it — he'd better be able to play some hockey. Tonight. This is what Jason Botterill is supposed to be all about. Finding good young players, putting them in positions to grow and develop, and then bringing them up to the big club when they're ready. An eye for talent, patience, timing.

 

If I see evidence that Criscuolo can play, I'll be a lot more confident in the Sabres' future. If he expires in his cage, I'll be even more bummed about the next few years.


Edited by PASabreFan, 17 November 2017 - 09:50 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

I don't think Criscuolo should be a bellwether for anything.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:01 AM

It may be a hit and miss type thing but expect JBOT putting these guys in and out to see if they can take the next step. Bet we see more of this all season looking for diamonds not Canaries.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:08 AM

I don't think he's a legitimate prospect.
Sometimes there may be handshake deals in the off season to give a guy one game in the show if he signs.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:13 AM

I don't think he's a legitimate prospect.
Sometimes there may be handshake deals in the off season to give a guy one game in the show if he signs.

The lone surviving northern Monarch butterfly, trying to make it back to Mexico to join his friends, just got sucked into the grill of a logging truck in Kentucky.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

I think Criscuolo is exactly like Seth Griffith - a guy we signed believing he would be a useful cog in what we want to build in Rochester, with an outside shot at developing into an NHLer under the right circumstances.

Anything he shows up here is found money.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

The lone surviving northern Monarch butterfly, trying to make it back to Mexico to join his friends, just got sucked into the grill of a logging truck in Kentucky.


I got a visual of that, good job!

I do hope Crisco survives the season, for Rochester's sake.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

I think Criscuolo is exactly like Seth Griffith - a guy we signed believing he would be a useful cog in what we want to build in Rochester, with an outside shot at developing into an NHLer under the right circumstances.

Anything he shows up here is found money.

Yup.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:22 AM

I think Criscuolo is exactly like Seth Griffith - a guy we signed believing he would be a useful cog in what we want to build in Rochester, with an outside shot at developing into an NHLer under the right circumstances.

Anything he shows up here is found money.

The lone surviving kitten just... nah.

 

Man, you guys are depressing.

 

Is Botterill really all about luck, or something? I don't want Crisco to be "found money." I want him to be good and Jason knew it all along. That's what Botterill does, no?


Edited by PASabreFan, 17 November 2017 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:23 AM

Crisco, with a greasy goal!

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

Yup.

So your season is on the cusp of being unsalvageable and you make a callup and it's not about turning things around, it's about getting a marginal talent a peak at the big leagues? Maybe a little fresh meat to go along with the bread and circuses for the masses? They're worried about breaking Guhle if he makes a mistake up here, but not Crisco?


Crisco, with a greasy goal!

Nice. 1997 Rick would say this. Not sure the poor guy has anything left in the tank, creativity-wise.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:29 AM

Just another AAAA guy.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:41 AM

So your season is on the cusp of being unsalvageable and you make a callup and it's not about turning things around, it's about getting a marginal talent a peak at the big leagues? Maybe a little fresh meat to go along with the bread and circuses for the masses? They're worried about breaking Guhle if he makes a mistake up here, but not Crisco?


Nice. 1997 Rick would say this. Not sure the poor guy has anything left in the tank, creativity-wise.

 

There is no "turning things around". This season is dead in the water. 



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 10:47 AM

He’s by far the Amerks best forward. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t stay up too long but he’s earned it.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:06 AM

And though the news was rather sad, I just had to laugh 



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:32 AM

Here's what Kevin O wrote about him in The Buffalo Star. Article was "Which Amerks could help the Sabres?", and he was under the "Could help in a pinch" section:

 

 

Kyle Criscuolo ©

Again, he’s not playing a regular shift in Buffalo for 20 games. But he’s shifty, smart, crafty and can skate, so when a forward is needed, he’ll deserve a chance.

He has 5-6-11 in 14 games.

The knock: he’s small, just 5-9, 175. The second to last thing the Sabres need is more small forwards.

 

https://www.thebuffa...elp-the-sabres/


Edited by sabills, 17 November 2017 - 11:33 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

The small forward thing was valid 2-3 years ago.  Size is less relevant in the game that's being played today.  I'll take the "shifty, smart, crafty, and can skate" piece.  That's the critical component. 

 

I'll be curious to see what he can do.  This is definitely a way of the team figuring out who will be here next year.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:42 AM

The small forward thing was valid 2-3 years ago.  Size is less relevant in the game that's being played today.  I'll take the "shifty, smart, crafty, and can skate" piece.  That's the critical component. 

 

I'll be curious to see what he can do.  This is definitely a way of the team figuring out who will be here next year.

I was just going to say something like this.

 

Also, what's the first last thing the Sabres need?



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 12:41 PM

The Sabres actually have a group of forwards that is relatively big, or at least hard on the puck:
Kane, Eichel, O’Reilly, Okposo on their first tier
Pouliot, Larsson, Girgensons, Baptiste, Bailey and Nolan on the next.

Their smallest regulars are Reinhart 6’1, 195 and Pominville 6’, 190.
There are no Ennis water bugs any more.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:31 PM

The lone surviving kitten just... nah.

 

Man, you guys are depressing.

 

Is Botterill really all about luck, or something? I don't want Crisco to be "found money." I want him to be good and Jason knew it all along. That's what Botterill does, no?

 

I'd thought Botterill was, more than anything, a smart game-theory-ish asset-manager. I'm sure he can do some talent evaluation, but I think he's more an exec who's going to figure out how various pieces fit together, this season and beyond.

 

And though the news was rather sad, I just had to laugh 

 

Nice.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 04:15 PM

The Sabres actually have a group of forwards that is relatively big, or at least hard on the puck:
Kane, Eichel, O’Reilly, Okposo on their first tier
Pouliot, Larsson, Girgensons, Baptiste, Bailey and Nolan on the next.

Their smallest regulars are Reinhart 6’1, 195 and Pominville 6’, 190.
There are no Ennis water bugs any more.

Yet, the NHL continues to change toward speed and skill and less about size.  Sure, all other things being equal, some size would be nice, but it isn't as big of a deal now as it even was a couple years ago.

 

Look at the top 5 players in scoring right now:

 

Stamkos...listed at 6'1 and 190

Kucherov...listed at 178 lbs..looks less than that.

Gaudreau...5'9 and in the 150's...probably smaller than Ennis

Jaden Schwartz....5'10 and 190.

Brayden Schenn...first guy on the list listed at 200..and barely that..exactly 200

 

Skill and speed is where it is at in the NHL now.



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Posted 19 November 2017 - 01:09 AM

It's more realistically like JBot rolled the dice on a half dozen guys hoping one or two of them would stick. So far the results are not good. Only Pouliot seems to have been a good signing. 



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Posted 19 November 2017 - 03:05 AM

It's more realistically like JBot rolled the dice on a half dozen guys hoping one or two of them would stick. So far the results are not good. Only Pouliot seems to have been a good signing.


He was the only forward they signed with any real NHL duty prior to here

Edited by inkman, 19 November 2017 - 03:05 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2017 - 07:56 AM

Crisco looking decent, him and Larry on a futre fourth line sounds great.

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 08:46 AM

And though the news was rather sad, I just had to laugh

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 12:04 PM

I did see signs Criso can play... last night. So I guess I'm a lot more confident in the Sabres' future.



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Posted 19 November 2017 - 12:30 PM

Crisco looking decent, him and Larry on a futre fourth line sounds great.


If he's not an Amerks, this team ain't winning jack

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 12:49 PM

If he's not an Amerks, this team ain't winning jack

Not even willing to give him a shot? Because he did a lot of good things last night. He was even better than Eichel.



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Posted 19 November 2017 - 04:40 PM

Not even willing to give him a shot? Because he did a lot of good things last night. He was even better than Eichel.


I guess 1 out of every 50 of these AAAA players makes the jump later in their career. Just didn't think he'd be the one.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

I think Criscuolo is exactly like Seth Griffith - a guy we signed believing he would be a useful cog in what we want to build in Rochester, with an outside shot at developing into an NHLer under the right circumstances.

Anything he shows up here is found money.

 

aka a depth signing.