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#81 Wyldnwoody44

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 04:33 PM

What is right with the Sabres.


Hmm, well stubhib tickets are dirt cheap, like crazy cheap for this early in the season.... That's good for those of us who love to catch a live game, when we can and not break the bank.

I still enjoy watching eichel, but he's getting angry these days (who can blame him)

ROR looks back to his normal self, and I'm looking forward to Rodrigues coming back.

Other than that, I can't really point to much more positive

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:00 AM

Hasn’t got a lot of play today, but I absolutely loved McCabe’s no-hesitation run at Tom Wilson in terms of team-building.
And this coming from a guy who hates it when clean checks start fights and who thought that was a clean hit on Reinhart.

Edited by dudacek, 08 November 2017 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:25 PM

Hasn’t got a lot of play today, but I absolutely loved McCabe’s no-hesitation run at Tom Wilson in terms of team-building.
And this coming from a guy who hates it when clean checks start fights and who thought that was a clean hit on Reinhart.

 

It was a clean hit, although the elbow was up a bit.

 

I love that McCabe went after Wilson.  Things happen very quickly on the ice and that hit must have looked boarder line to Jake.  The no-hesitation from McCabe is great.  



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:25 PM

I posted this in the Washington GDT, I think maybe it would be a good crosspost here:

 

Benoit Pouliot has more goals than Jack Eichel.  This forum might point to that and say it shows that Jack isn't living up to expectations.  I'm going to look at it differently.  I think it indicates a couple things:

 

1. Housley's got Jack playing into the system.  It's not the free-wheeling style he played in college, it's not the freelancing DDB let him get away with.  No, he's learning to be in position for his teammates.  We know he has the speed but we see him coasting a lot.  I think he's got instructions from Housley on how he wants Jack to play, where he wants Jack to be, and Jack is buying into it.  Don't worry about the goals, but trust the system.  Okay sez Jack.  And he buys in.  It's frustrating; it's making him play a lot more disciplined than he's ever had to endure, and at times the frustration erupts.  But he's trying to follow the system for the good of the team.

 

2. Pouliot is what we were hoping JBot would find- the random rent-a-player that fills a gap in the roster and meshes with his teammates, helping Housley implement his system and using his experience to provide quiet leadership to the team.  We've got a guy on each of the top two lines that are doing that- Pouliot and Pommer (the only two in the top six who don't have negative +/-).  As more mature players who've been around, they're more accustomed to tailoring their game to new systems and they're picking it up more quickly that Jack and Sam and Gus, who've never known anything but crap coaching and crap systems at the NHL level.  They provide the quiet glue that supports the current and future leadership of the team.

 

So let the veterans lead.  Let them take the pressure off the future leaders of the team.  Those youngin's have a system to learn and aren't being counted on to win games for this team.... not yet.  Let the veterans vet.  Let the youngin's learn.  Sometimes it all comes together and the team looks good, like they did against the Capitals, against the Coyotes (at least early).  Sometimes the system breaks down and everyone's frustrated.  The Sabres are not a fragile team as such, but their mastery of Housley's system is fragile and sometimes it breaks down.  Everyone gets frustrated and the team looks bad.  But eventually the system will be second nature and the team will look more consistently good.  Yes they need more talent, and need to learn to use the talent that they have.  But they certainly have enough talent to start winning now.  As their mastery of the system matures, that will become apparent.  For now we see glimpses of it for games or parts of games, and feel the depths of frustration when the system fails.

 

It will come.  Not in two years, not next season.

 

Soon.  Soon.  This season.


Edited by Doohickie, 08 November 2017 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:31 PM

I want to kiss you Doo, you made my day :wub:



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:43 PM

Guess I should continue my holding out for 20 games mantra. 



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:19 PM

As more mature players who've been around, they're more accustomed to tailoring their game to new systems and they're picking it up more quickly that Jack and Sam and Gus, who've never known anything but crap coaching and crap systems at the NHL level.  They provide the quiet glue that supports the current and future leadership of the team.

 

So let the veterans lead.  Let them take the pressure off the future leaders of the team.  Those youngin's have a system to learn and aren't being counted on to win games for this team.... not yet.  Let the veterans vet.  Let the youngin's learn.  Sometimes it all comes together and the team looks good, like they did against the Capitals, against the Coyotes (at least early).  Sometimes the system breaks down and everyone's frustrated.  The Sabres are not a fragile team as such, but their mastery of Housley's system is fragile and sometimes it breaks down.  Everyone gets frustrated and the team looks bad.  But eventually the system will be second nature and the team will look more consistently good.  Yes they need more talent, and need to learn to use the talent that they have.  But they certainly have enough talent to start winning now.  As their mastery of the system matures, that will become apparent.  For now we see glimpses of it for games or parts of games, and feel the depths of frustration when the system fails.

 

It will come.  Not in two years, not next season.

 

Soon.  Soon.  This season.

 

This may or may not work, but it is clearly the plan and it is mostly what I think too.

At least after a win. :P



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:26 PM

Guess I should continue my holding out for 20 games mantra. 

 

That stance definitely influenced my viewpoint.  What in holy hell is he doing in that first 20 games?  He's beating (er, positively reinforcing) the system into the heads of these players that have been allowed to run around like savages for a few years.  Demonstrate competency with the system, then we'll talk about getting creative with it.


This may or may not work, but it is clearly the plan and it is mostly what I think too.

At least after a win. :P

 

Even after a loss, we need to look at it that way I think.  (Or the team does.)  The better you play the system, the better the results.



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:45 PM

This may or may not work, but it is clearly the plan and it is mostly what I think too.

At least after a win. :P

LOL, whatever I was going to post just got lost after reading this!!!!



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:03 PM



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:37 PM

Guess I should continue my holding out for 20 games mantra. 

You tease



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 02:48 PM

Depth on defense! Four defenders down and they look ok still. Scandella is a wonderful addition. So glad we got him. Antipin still looks a bit shaky out there but he has the talent. Falk is a beast, Fudun has really improved. Tennyson looks ok. 



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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

I think Antipin may turn into a stalwart Dman for the Sabres, perhaps along the lines of Lydman.

 

Falk alternately looks like an AHL scrub and a top-4 Dman; I think it depends on his pairing.  He's a natural complement to Scandella, even to the point of serving top-pair duty.  He brings a steady, not flashy, physical presence.

 

Fedun is a known quantity- a passable 6/7 depth defenseman.

 

Tennyson is an AHLer that can handle some NHL action.  I think he stuck for so long because while he is weak in his own end, he plays well within Housley's system, especially in transition and in the opponent's end.

 

I think they were all good pickups for the team and time (and upcoming prospects) will help sort them all out.

 

All serve their purpose.


Edited by Doohickie, 08 November 2017 - 03:02 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:01 AM

Tomorrow starts Babock block no.4
Block 1: 0-4-1 1 pt
Block 2: 3-1-1 7 pts
Block 3: 2-3-0 4 pts

Good news: 5-4-1 in last 10 games

Benoit Pouliot is the key Sabres ytd. He has 5g 2a and these 7 pts have come in only the 5 Victories. Futhermore he leads the team with 3 GWGs.

Edited by GASabresIUFAN, 10 November 2017 - 12:02 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:51 AM

Housley said he splits the season into 7-game blocks.

 

Block 1:  1-5-1 (3 pts)

Block 2:  3-3-1 (7 pts)

Block 3:  1-1 so far.

 

So after Block 1 they're playing .500 hockey (point-wise), and hopefully improving.  That's why I still hold out hope for the playoffs:  I really believe that the Sabres ceiling once Housley's system is clicking will be better than .500.  A few bounces go our way and I could see it happening.  They're currently 6 points out of a WC spot with a game in hand over Philly.  If they can catch up 3 points this month, 3 points next month, they'll be right in the hunt.  Stranger things have happened, but we're so used to the wheels falling off that for a lot of Sabres fans, it's difficult to project an upward trajectory for the team. 

 

Let's see what they look like at the end of Housley Block 3.



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

Housley said he splits the season into 7-game blocks.

 

Block 1:  1-5-1 (3 pts)

Block 2:  3-3-1 (7 pts)

Block 3:  1-1 so far.

 

So after Block 1 they're playing .500 hockey (point-wise), and hopefully improving.  That's why I still hold out hope for the playoffs:  I really believe that the Sabres ceiling once Housley's system is clicking will be better than .500.  A few bounces go our way and I could see it happening.  They're currently 6 points out of a WC spot with a game in hand over Philly.  If they can catch up 3 points this month, 3 points next month, they'll be right in the hunt.  Stranger things have happened, but we're so used to the wheels falling off that for a lot of Sabres fans, it's difficult to project an upward trajectory for the team. 

 

Let's see what they look like at the end of Housley Block 3.

The first block he said was 5 games I think. The remaining 11 are 7 games. Adjust accordingly. 



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Ah, I missed that.  Block 1 gets even uglier then.



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 01:06 PM

I define my blocks as with/without Beaulieu

With Beaulieu: 1-5-2, 3 of a possible 16 points, a 30 point pace 

Without Beaulieu: 4-3-0, 8 of a possible 14 points, a 93 point pace 

 

In all seriousness, there are only 5 teams in the east with a better record in their last 10, 2 of them only one point better, so if we can get one of those 7 wins in 10 game stretches that it seems like every NHL team gets at least twice a year except the Sabres, no reason we can't be back in the thick of things. 



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Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:36 PM

I define my blocks as with/without Beaulieu

With Beaulieu: 1-5-2, 3 of a possible 16 points, a 30 point pace 

Without Beaulieu: 4-3-0, 8 of a possible 14 points, a 93 point pace 

 

In all seriousness, there are only 5 teams in the east with a better record in their last 10, 2 of them only one point better, so if we can get one of those 7 wins in 10 game stretches that it seems like every NHL team gets at least twice a year except the Sabres, no reason we can't be back in the thick of things. 

 

6 wins in 6 games gets the Sabres back on pace. 8 wins in the next 10 is still slightly off-pace. Long-term, the Sabres need 1.22 (82 points in 67 games) points per game to hit 94. 7 wins in 10 games needs to be fairly common, 6 wins in 10 is 1.20, 92 points, and a very unlikely playoff berth.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:58 PM

In reality who would want to go into the playoffs anyways with this roster ? I'd be surprised if we weren't swept considering the make up of this team as it stands now. There's no reason to suggest the compete level would ramp up as it does for most teams that get in when this club can't even ramp it up for what should amount to meaningless games now.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:05 PM

In reality who would want to go into the playoffs anyways with this roster ? I'd be surprised if we weren't swept considering the make up of this team as it stands now. There's no reason to suggest the compete level would ramp up as it does for most teams that get in when this club can't even ramp it up for what should amount to meaningless games now.

 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:33 PM

They do a decent pregame and intermission show

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:27 PM

Didn't Scotty come up with 10-game segments? It worked perfectly with the 80 game seasons from the mid 70s until the early 90s.

 

Also — and this is a delayed reaction from last night when they showed Phil walking across the ice to the lockerroom — does anyone else remember Scotty falling on the Forum ice one time? He was coach of the Sabres. I am pretty sure they didn't show it live or on tape, but Ted (Darling for you youngens) mentioned it on the air.

 

I think my appreciation for the job Scotty did in Buffalo is growing. Phil said in the paper today he wish Scotty had been given more time. He really did a nice job transitioning from the original Sabres to a new generation. He traded Korab for a pick that turned into Housley and Martin for a pick that turned into Barrasso. Two guys nearing the end of their careers for one eventual hall of famer and one eventual near hall of famer.

 

That trade with Quebec still must haunt Mr. Bowman.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:20 AM

They do a decent pregame and intermission show

Meh. Ray gets kind of repetitive if you ask me. I rarely listen to the intermissions. Usually flick around or do something else. 



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:31 AM

Guys, I hate to rain on everyone's optimism. They WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON! I will go with TSN's stats on that subject. If you are out of a spot by US Thanksgiving, the odds of you making it are very heavily stacked against you. They did the math, not me and I believe them. I wish things were truly different for this club but the reality shows when they hit the ice.

 

They do not score near enough to win games (and as Pokey has posted earlier, this has been an ongoing issue for several seasons now)

 

Even when entirely healthy, aside from Falk, Risto and McCabe, I hate the rest of our defense. Soft as hell.

 

Our hope is that JBot is able to draft and scout wisely (better then previous regimes) and build from the farm up. This will take a few seasons so I believe we may actually go a decade now with no playoffs. You heard it here and feel free to argue my points. Believe me, I would love to be wrong on all counts.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:08 AM

Guys, I hate to rain on everyone's optimism. They WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON! I will go with TSN's stats on that subject. If you are out of a spot by US Thanksgiving, the odds of you making it are very heavily stacked against you. They did the math, not me and I believe them. I wish things were truly different for this club but the reality shows when they hit the ice.

I hate this stat with a burning passion. It is useless and tells nobody anything; tells people the wrong thing actually. All it boils down to is: Bad teams play bad, bad teams are bad by Thanksgiving, bad teams will probably continue to play badly, bad teams don't make the playoffs.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:10 AM

Guys, I hate to rain on everyone's optimism. They WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON! I will go with TSN's stats on that subject. If you are out of a spot by US Thanksgiving, the odds of you making it are very heavily stacked against you. They did the math, not me and I believe them. I wish things were truly different for this club but the reality shows when they hit the ice.

 

They do not score near enough to win games (and as Pokey has posted earlier, this has been an ongoing issue for several seasons now)

 

Even when entirely healthy, aside from Falk, Risto and McCabe, I hate the rest of our defense. Soft as hell.

 

Our hope is that JBot is able to draft and scout wisely (better then previous regimes) and build from the farm up. This will take a few seasons so I believe we may actually go a decade now with no playoffs. You heard it here and feel free to argue my points. Believe me, I would love to be wrong on all counts.

 

I did the math two games ago, they're right. With the last two games, the Sabres need 7-8 wins *in a row* to get back to 94-point pace, and then continue to play better than they have been. Without a streak, they need to play something like a 105-ish 102 point season for the rest of the season to hit 94 points.

 

EDIT: I did the math anyway:

Team points: 13 

Games Played: 17

Points per game to reach 94 points: 1.246

Season points at that pace: 102

Record per 10: between 6-4-0, 5-3-2 and 6-3-1 or 5-2-3

Win streak to get back to 94-point pace: 7.59 games


I hate this stat with a burning passion. It is useless and tells nobody anything; tells people the wrong thing actually. All it boils down to is: Bad teams play bad, bad teams are bad by Thanksgiving, bad teams will probably continue to play badly, bad teams don't make the playoffs.

 

I agree, the stat is useless but it's easier to understand to a bunch of Molson-swilling Candians than busting out the math. :)

 

(I'm just kidding about the Canadian part, there's plenty of BudLite-swilling Americans, too!)


Edited by MattPie, 13 November 2017 - 09:25 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:07 PM

Its only useless if you aren’t looking at it as a metric to define “bad team”. And in that use, it is pretty accurate.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:09 PM

Its only useless if you aren’t looking at it as a metric to define “bad team”. And in that use, it is pretty accurate.

I'm confused. Can you define the use case in which that stat is applicable/accurate?



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:25 PM

Guys, I hate to rain on everyone's optimism. They WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON!

 

I don't need this negativity in my life.  *Ignore*



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:55 PM

I don't need this negativity in my life.  *Ignore*

 

I'll have you know there is not a single negative number in my math.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:53 PM

I hate this stat with a burning passion. It is useless and tells nobody anything; tells people the wrong thing actually. All it boils down to is: Bad teams play bad, bad teams are bad by Thanksgiving, bad teams will probably continue to play badly, bad teams don't make the playoffs.

So essentially, we are all in consensus on this: The Buffalo Sabres are a bad hockey club who will not make the playoffs for a 7th consecutive season.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:58 PM

So essentially, we are all in consensus on this: The Buffalo Sabres are a bad hockey club who will not make the playoffs for a 7th consecutive season.

This is not the thread for this post, unless you are a Leafs fan.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:05 PM

I'll have you know there is not a single negative number in my math.

 

I don't need this negativity in my life.  *Ignore*

Again, sorry to mention it, but it has been negative on the Buffalo Sabres hockey scene for going on 7 seasons now. I appreciate the "optiimism" that you guys try to bring forth, but I can't find the merit in it. 7 seasons most likely headed to an 8th, perhaps  9th as JBot will need to draft players in his vision and then mold them in Rochester. This will take more time. No quick fixes here and the big "if" in all of this is whether or not Phil is the right coach going forward.


This is not the thread for this post, unless you are a Leafs fan.

My point is: What I feel is right for this club is for JBot to go and draft the players he feels will fit his mold. Free agency, trades etc, have not helped us and will not down the road, given this clubs performance. So now we need to rebuild (again) under JBot and while this will take some time again, I feel it is the only way we will see  decent improvement in the on ice product. I think this is the route he is set to go and this is what is right.


This is not the thread for this post, unless you are a Leafs fan.

Not a bad time to be a Leafs fan by the way. I should know, I am surrounded by them and they keep reminding me of this.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:26 AM

Hate the Leafs. Always have. Always will. Hate the Habs more, but hate 'em both. 

 

But it sounds like you are advocating a complete rebuild and I cannot find much fault with that.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:42 AM

Is the lineup taking shape finally?

 

L1 Kane, Jack, Sam

L2 Pouliot, ROR, KO

L3 ?????  Girgensons Pommers - 

L4 ????? Larsson ?????

 

I wouldn't mind seeing what Smith or Criscuolo can do on the 3rd line.  They can't be worse then Moulson, Baptiste or Griffith.

 

D1 Falk and Scandella - not sure I like Falk playing 18 minutes, but the Minn boys have some chemistry and lots of experience playing together.

D2 McCabe and Risto - assuming Risto comes back sometime soon and healthy.

D3 Baloo, Antipin, Gorges and/or whomever.  we need to see some progress from Antipin or Baloo and soon.  We need to be getting more than 10 minutes a night here, but these guys need to earn those minutes.  I'd really like to see us grab Theodore if we can.