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#81 Pokey Jones

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:29 PM

But the whole roster hasn't been turned over. The top names are the same top names. You think the guy making 1 million is going to keep busting his butt when the guys making 6, 8, 9 million aren't breaking a sweat? Your leaders have to lead and lead by example.  Why do you think there is no captain named? It's all kind of obvious. 



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:01 AM

But the whole roster hasn't been turned over. The top names are the same top names. You think the guy making 1 million is going to keep busting his butt when the guys making 6, 8, 9 million aren't breaking a sweat? Your leaders have to lead and lead by example.  Why do you think there is no captain named? It's all kind of obvious. 

Tag-teaming onto the hidden meaning of not naming a captain, anyone want to come down the rabbit hole with me and Pokey and Alex Jones? Maybe Phil is starting to set the stage for a housecleaning. Botterill might come along here eventually and make similar comments. Why wouldn't they want to swipe the roster of a bunch of Murray guys who aren't getting it done. Lehner, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Risto (though not a Murray guy), Bogosian, hard to put Kane in that category at the moment. If they feel they have the support of ownership, they could do an almost complete rebuild around Jack. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, that's for sure, and maybe Phil and Jason have already figured out what it is.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:04 AM

Tag-teaming onto the hidden meaning of not naming a captain, anyone want to come down the rabbit hole with me and Pokey and Alex Jones? Maybe Phil is starting to set the stage for a housecleaning. Botterill might come along here eventually and make similar comments. Why wouldn't they want to swipe the roster of a bunch of Murray guys who aren't getting it done. Lehner, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Risto (though not a Murray guy), Bogosian, hard to put Kane in that category at the moment. If they feel they have the support of ownership, they could do an almost complete rebuild around Jack. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, that's for sure, and maybe Phil and Jason have already figured out what it is.

Would you support a house-cleaning? Namely, would you trust their judgment, or would the almost-guarantee of 2-3 more mediocre-to-bad seasons be too much?



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:13 AM

Would you support a house-cleaning? Namely, would you trust their judgment, or would the almost-guarantee of 2-3 more mediocre-to-bad seasons be too much?

I'm getting there. I think if Terry is serious this time about giving his people time, they're almost owed the chance to remake the team in their image. Having said that, how do you even "houseclean"? It doesn't seem like there are many old-fashioned hockey trades early in seasons anymore. You'd be selling off Lehner and Kane at the deadline, I guess. Is ROR's contract tradeable? I don't know. I also don't know if such a housecleaning would mean several more bad seasons. But it might take time to turn this Titanic around. How much do they value the young players in Roch? Are they viewed as a new core along with Eichel? What is the trade value of Risto and Reino?

 

Too many questions. I slept in today uncharacteristically, then for some reason tried to go to bed at 8, and woke up at 11. And now I'm screwed. I have so many questions!



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:22 AM

I'm getting there. I think if Terry is serious this time about giving his people time, they're almost owed the chance to remake the team in their image. Having said that, how do you even "houseclean"? It doesn't seem like there are many old-fashioned hockey trades early in seasons anymore. You'd be selling off Lehner and Kane at the deadline, I guess. Is ROR's contract tradeable? I don't know. I also don't know if such a housecleaning would mean several more bad seasons. But it might take time to turn this Titanic around. How much do they value the young players in Roch? Are they viewed as a new core along with Eichel? What is the trade value of Risto and Reino?
 
Too many questions. I slept in today uncharacteristically, then for some reason tried to go to bed at 8, and woke up at 11. And now I'm screwed. I have so many questions!


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:25 AM

I'm getting there. I think if Terry is serious this time about giving his people time, they're almost owed the chance to remake the team in their image. Having said that, how do you even "houseclean"? It doesn't seem like there are many old-fashioned hockey trades early in seasons anymore. You'd be selling off Lehner and Kane at the deadline, I guess. Is ROR's contract tradeable? I don't know. I also don't know if such a housecleaning would mean several more bad seasons. But it might take time to turn this Titanic around. How much do they value the young players in Roch? Are they viewed as a new core along with Eichel? What is the trade value of Risto and Reino?

 

Too many questions. I slept in today uncharacteristically, then for some reason tried to go to bed at 8, and woke up at 11. And now I'm screwed. I have so many questions!

So many questions. 

I've defaulted to a hope that's based in some sort of reality - when random NHL teams suddenly get good, I mean ones that didn't just influx a bunch of top 5 picks, but seasoned and traditionally disappointing teams, it often isn't with sweeping changes that their fans assumed were necessary the season before. Ottawa's roster last year was functionally identical to the disappointment that missed the playoffs the year before. Those fans were ready to blow up their sickly core as well. Nashville has been successful fairly recently but was looking pretty bleak in 2013. Dallas tinkers with a roster and alternates between horrible seasons and winning rounds with the same core essentially (and league-worst goaltending). The Rangers regularly fluctuate between an 8-10 seed and a conference finals/SCF team with minimal changes. The Islanders were a lock for a top 5 pick in 2015 when we had their first, until they made the playoffs on the back of two unheralded-at-the-time trades in September. 

 

So even if things look ugly with Okposo's/Pominville's/Bogosian's contracts and a bunch of scrubs like Pouliot, maybe by next November or even this coming March we're posting about how we can't believe this has happened and how we forgot how fun being good was.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:39 AM

I think they would move a lot of guys quickly BUT the problem will be the big contracts. Not a lot of teams are going to want to shell out for ROR or Okposo or Bogo (and definitely not Moulson). Kane can be moved later if they want and Reinhart can be since he is younger/cheaper at the moment but Murray thought this was all going to fall into place last year and so they are saddled with a situation that will take time to let some of these contracts run at least some of their course.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:00 AM

It is very rare when PA & I agree.

And preparation is 100% on the coach. If he hasn't communicated his expectations for how the players prepare, that's on him. If he hasn't dealt out consequences to those who aren't prepared, that's on him, too.


How? Is he is supposed to force the players to stay and watch film until 2am? Apparently the same guys have been problems for 3 or 4 coaches now

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:18 AM

How? Is he is supposed to force the players to stay and watch film until 2am? Apparently the same guys have been problems for 3 or 4 coaches now


As I think about it more, I tend to agree that a failure of proper preparation falls on the players more than the coaches. These guys are professionals. If they’re not sufficiently self-directed and focused, that’s on them.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:32 AM

As I think about it more, I tend to agree that a failure of proper preparation falls on the players more than the coaches. These guys are professionals. If they’re not sufficiently self-directed and focused, that’s on them.

 

 

If you don't read the stereo instructions and can't get your surround sound configured properly is it Yamaha's fault?  

 

I think that's about as succinctly as I can put it.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:53 AM

Tag-teaming onto the hidden meaning of not naming a captain, anyone want to come down the rabbit hole with me and Pokey and Alex Jones? Maybe Phil is starting to set the stage for a housecleaning. Botterill might come along here eventually and make similar comments. Why wouldn't they want to swipe the roster of a bunch of Murray guys who aren't getting it done. Lehner, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Risto (though not a Murray guy), Bogosian, hard to put Kane in that category at the moment. If they feel they have the support of ownership, they could do an almost complete rebuild around Jack. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, that's for sure, and maybe Phil and Jason have already figured out what it is.

To me Botterill has been very methodical so far:
1) in a rather underplayed story, he radically overhauled the scouting and player development departments to address the poor pipeline from the farm
2) he signed a ton of depth players to create competition at the bottom of the roster and Rochester and told the kids to earn their spots.
3) he implemented a new vision for how the team should be run on and off the ice and hired Housley to implement
4) he removed the Bylsma and Gionta and lack of communication excuses and handed the leadership keys over to Murray's core

I'm not going to dismiss the idea that Housley could be made accountable for the poor start; he's a rookie coach and Jason will be watching to make sure he is capable of implementing the vision.

But don't kid yourself, this year is about evaluating exactly what he has and determining how those pieces are best utilized moving forward. Decisions will be made based on how players respond over the next few months to what he is trying to install. Murray's core is being watched very, very closely.

Edited by dudacek, 19 October 2017 - 07:55 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:00 AM

If you don't read the stereo instructions and can't get your surround sound configured properly is it Yamaha's fault?  

 

I think that's about as succinctly as I can put it.

Interesting analogy.  As a stereo geek, I think reading the instructions gets you less than halfway there.  If your components are not suitable for each other, i.e. the impedance of the speakers makes them to hard to power for the amp, you will not get optimal sound.  Your room can have resonance issues and nulls where speaker placement becomes crucial.  Even a few inches or degrees can have a profound in impact.  You have to calibrate the distance from the amp so all speakers deliver the sound at the appropriate moment.  And your desire for a type of component say tubes vs solid state may not produce the synergy you want in the end.  If you want home theater it takes tinkering.  Theater in a box is easy but unfulfilling.  

 

It is on the players to be in shape, understand the game plan and execute.  Coaches are the the tinkerers.  The players can read the manual and be connected, it is the coaches who are responsible for getting the best possible sound out of the system.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:08 AM

So many questions. 

I've defaulted to a hope that's based in some sort of reality - when random NHL teams suddenly get good, I mean ones that didn't just influx a bunch of top 5 picks, but seasoned and traditionally disappointing teams, it often isn't with sweeping changes that their fans assumed were necessary the season before. Ottawa's roster last year was functionally identical to the disappointment that missed the playoffs the year before. Those fans were ready to blow up their sickly core as well. Nashville has been successful fairly recently but was looking pretty bleak in 2013. Dallas tinkers with a roster and alternates between horrible seasons and winning rounds with the same core essentially (and league-worst goaltending). The Rangers regularly fluctuate between an 8-10 seed and a conference finals/SCF team with minimal changes. The Islanders were a lock for a top 5 pick in 2015 when we had their first, until they made the playoffs on the back of two unheralded-at-the-time trades in September. 

 

So even if things look ugly with Okposo's/Pominville's/Bogosian's contracts and a bunch of scrubs like Pouliot, maybe by next November or even this coming March we're posting about how we can't believe this has happened and how we forgot how fun being good was.

It could happen, but it's not the way the Sabres want to operate under Pegula. Pegula wants a dominant, elite team that wins and wins again. He's said as much. It's very grandiose and pie in the sky. This philosophy brought us Darcy's "suffering" speech and the tank. Darcy also said, "It's not about just making the playoffs." In other words, when average teams go all out and try to make the playoffs and catch lightning in a bottle ("blind ambition"), it's something to be pitied and looked down upon by the noble franchises like Buffalo, who are all about consistency excellence. The whole thing was predicated on getting McDavid and someone like Babcock. We thought we could replicate what Chicago and Pittsburgh did, but you can't.

 

It didn't work out, and it turns out we're just like the Islanders after all (but behind them at the moment). We're down there slumming with the teams that want to make the playoffs and give their fans a little thrill ride. How gauche. How cheap. Where we go from here is anyone's guess, but it sure looks like we're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way. Work your butt off just to be respectable, and then hope like everyone else that things click one spring and you can have a parade that people will remember for the rest of their lives.

 

But maybe we'll see another tank? The words of Ted Black haunt me. Something about the only way to get elite talent is through the draft. How's hockey heaven looking these days?
 



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:13 AM

Here's a clue.  This team had the same problem last season.  There has been huge turnover on the roster from last season.  Who's left?

 

Yes, some sacred cows are on that list.

 

Phil Housley has had this team for 4 months now.  It's time to stop pointing the finger at Dan Bylsma.  He didn't ruin anyone any more than Lindy Ruff ruined Zack Kassian or Luke Adam with abuse in practice.  These are who these players are.

 

Yes indeed.

 

 

But the whole roster hasn't been turned over. The top names are the same top names. You think the guy making 1 million is going to keep busting his butt when the guys making 6, 8, 9 million aren't breaking a sweat? Your leaders have to lead and lead by example.  Why do you think there is no captain named? It's all kind of obvious. 

 

This too.

 

 

Tag-teaming onto the hidden meaning of not naming a captain, anyone want to come down the rabbit hole with me and Pokey and Alex Jones? Maybe Phil is starting to set the stage for a housecleaning. Botterill might come along here eventually and make similar comments. Why wouldn't they want to swipe the roster of a bunch of Murray guys who aren't getting it done. Lehner, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Risto (though not a Murray guy), Bogosian, hard to put Kane in that category at the moment. If they feel they have the support of ownership, they could do an almost complete rebuild around Jack. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, that's for sure, and maybe Phil and Jason have already figured out what it is.

 

No one is going to trade for ROR's contract, but I can see some or all of these other guys getting shipped out.

 

But not until the end of the season.  Dudacek is right, IMHO, about JBott being methodical.  He'll evaluate everything, not panic, and take the steady progress approach.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:14 AM

It's clear that this season is an evaluation season, as duda said above.

 

Players are given a chance to learn the new coaches and 'systems'.  If they do not come around by mid-to-late January then decisions will be made about what players stay and which do not.

 

I can say with certitude that the only player guaranteed to be staying is Eich.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:12 AM

Would you support a house-cleaning? Namely, would you trust their judgment, or would the almost-guarantee of 2-3 more mediocre-to-bad seasons be too much?

 

I don't see it as a house cleaning as such.  I see it as developing the team they want in Rochester (as is JBot's wont) and as they roll up to the NHL the non-performers are moved out.  The difference being that when you clean house, you have to refill those roster spots *now*.  We just saw under XGMTM that doesn't work; it leaves depth too thin and it messes up the normal development of prospects.

 

With the tank years there was a major house cleaning- lots of references to "the rotten core"- everyone had to go.  Everyone.  This time, I can see several existing players staying.  Some may be core; others may play supporting roles (right now Gorges and Pommer might be considered in the latter- expendable but serving a purpose at the moment).  So... housecleaning?  No.  Not revolution, but evolution.  And with evolution there may not be a core as such, just a continual pipeline set up from the farm to the NHL with occasional free agents/trades filling gaps in the pipeline.

 

It will take a while for the fan base to get used to the concept of actually developing a team instead of acquiring one.  Development takes longer, but I think the last few years have shown that in the context of an existing team with existing contracts against the cap, you can't simply acquire one.

 

(Vegas is the exception but that's because they didn't have the constraint of unsuccessful contracts and had access through the expansion draft of a good (not great) base of existing NHLers as well as first crack at free agency.  But don't worry, some of those players will top out and become the albatrosses of the Vegas cap structure in due time.)



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:27 AM

He was positive in the end, but definitly sent a message that their prep was unaccceptable and that they would keep working on it.

They have to come out of the gate stronger



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:40 AM

They have to come out of the gate stronger

 

That was included in his message.  And that's been true for years.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:37 AM

Interesting analogy.  As a stereo geek, I think reading the instructions gets you less than halfway there.  If your components are not suitable for each other, i.e. the impedance of the speakers makes them to hard to power for the amp, you will not get optimal sound.  Your room can have resonance issues and nulls where speaker placement becomes crucial.  Even a few inches or degrees can have a profound in impact.  You have to calibrate the distance from the amp so all speakers deliver the sound at the appropriate moment.  And your desire for a type of component say tubes vs solid state may not produce the synergy you want in the end.  If you want home theater it takes tinkering.  Theater in a box is easy but unfulfilling.  

 

It is on the players to be in shape, understand the game plan and execute.  Coaches are the the tinkerers.  The players can read the manual and be connected, it is the coaches who are responsible for getting the best possible sound out of the system.

 

The coach doesn't determine the components he has to work with.  The coach can only pull from the stock he was given.  Granted he does need to put them together properly.

 

The coach is the tinkerer but to make the analogy fit in your description the coach would tell the components where they need to be to be optimal based on reading the factors around them.  The components would have to move themselves there to create the successful configuration.

 

So to take it further, the coach provides the room design and the suggests the places for the components to be, but if the components don't look at the room guide ahead of time they'll spend too much time in the wrong positions trying to figure out where they are supposed to be.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:33 PM

How much of that kind of leadership did Brian Gionta bring? Maybe they cut him loose without having someone to fill that role?

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:14 PM

Somehow Gionta doesn’t seem like a leader kinda guy, more an assistant. More a teachers pet type.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

Somehow Gionta doesn’t seem like a leader kinda guy, more an assistant. More a teachers pet type.

 

Based on what information do you come to that conclusion?



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:27 PM

just gut, no real info, but I didnt like the way the locker room was split last year... and some of that had to fall on Gionta...
Seemed like he was Blysmals mole.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:55 PM

just gut, no real info, but I didnt like the way the locker room was split last year... and some of that had to fall on Gionta...
Seemed like he was Blysmals mole.

 

Okay.  Personally I think there were players who accepted that the coach/GM combo were going to be there through the season and decide to make the best of it and those who couldn't do it.  Personally if you know the coach isn't going anywhere in-season then you really should just suck it up and play.  

 

I don't think Gionta was a fan of Bylsma however.  Perhaps he accepted that they had to make the best of it under him and frankly that would be what I would expect from a leader. "Okay boys, it sucks, we know it sucks, but we can't let it bring us down."

 

If people didn't want to listen... oh well.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:16 PM

I think Gionta was one of the only guys that had Bylsma's back that actually deserved his ice time. It's too bad that it didn't work out because it'd be great to have him on this roster.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:31 PM

I just hope that Botterill didn't sign Gionta again because of the "moving on from that leadership group" reason and not the "my hockey team couldn't use him" reason, when looking at the lineups in practice today. 



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:19 PM

I just hope that Botterill didn't sign Gionta again because of the "moving on from that leadership group" reason and not the "my hockey team couldn't use him" reason, when looking at the lineups in practice today.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:24 PM

I just hope that Botterill didn't sign Gionta again because of the "moving on from that leadership group" reason and not the "my hockey team couldn't use him" reason, when looking at the lineups in practice today. 

 

Maybe it was about moving on from that leadership group, but then Moulson and Gorges are still around...

 

I don't think Gionta was any part of the problem last year. Seven games into this season without him, and these guys are still lazy and under performing. Gionta would be an instant upgrade over all but 6 forwards currently on the roster.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 05:56 PM

How much of that kind of leadership did Brian Gionta bring? Maybe they cut him loose without having someone to fill that role?

Ummm no, this team quit a lot last year too. They do not have a clear cut leader but they need one. A Drury type. 



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:05 PM

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

If Housley wanted a "coach on the ice," surely it would have been Gionta, right?


Ummm no, this team quit a lot last year too. They do not have a clear cut leader but they need one. A Drury type. 

 

Sorry to disagree.  I think they already have that.  I think there are several.

 

They need a Schoeny or a Peca.  They need the guy that's going to scream at the rest of them in the dressing room.  



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:08 PM

Maybe it was about moving on from that leadership group, but then Moulson and Gorges are still around...

 

I don't think Gionta was any part of the problem last year. Seven games into this season without him, and these guys are still lazy and under performing. Gionta would be an instant upgrade over all but 6 forwards currently on the roster.

 

If they were at the end of their contracts, they'd be gone too.  And really, Gorges seems to finally be doing what he should have been doing all along:  Playing limited minutes and teaching crafty veteran tricks to young Dmen.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:23 PM

Elaborate?  If a student repeatedly doesn't do her homework, and there are no consequences, is the teacher doing her job?

So lemme get this straight.  If a kid doesn't do their homework repeatedly and the parent can't get the kid to do homework either, it's the teacher's fault?

 

I'll let it slide, but your analogy is off.  The teacher is the video coach who is breaking down the game into manageable relevant chunks and handing it to the players with points of emphasis for the player to focus on to improve their game.  The head coach is the parent.  Ultimately Housley is responsible for getting his players to do their homework.  He is the only one who can hand out truly meaningful motivation and discipline in the form of playing time.  The video coach has no ability to either provide or deny that to players.  Teachers can't provide or deny 99% of the things that truly matter to kids.  Hell, where I work I'm not even allowed to confiscate cell phones in class (even if I'm giving it back at the end of class). If you are forcing me to be a surrogate parent that is a recipe for disaster because I'm only going to have your student for 1 hour a day for 1 year.  You have them forever.  I'm not supposed to have a permanent relationship with them.  You are.  Getting back to hockey, you can have a new video staff every year and it's not a big problem.  If you have a new head coach every year it's a big problem because of the lack of consistency and stability.



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Posted 20 October 2017 - 12:45 AM

Grades are the consequence, not letting the kid participate in things they are interested in are consequences... failing is a consequence and if that doesn't work, trade school, a good teacher finds that hot button thing that makes the kid tick.  Some kids are more stubborn than others.  And yes parents need to do the same thing at home and more... It is not a black and white kinda of thing, its a partnership.  I have a 13 year old boy who is going through puberty and fighting every chance he gets to do just what he wants not what he needs.  Sometimes its about coming down hard, sometimes its about just giving encouragement... lots of love and keeping him on his toes.  

 

I didn't know my head from my backside at that age... still don't but that is another argument. I have managed to figure it out and survive.  My kid is very intelligent so he can be manipulative and just gets down on himself when things don't come easy.  It is a challenge and we are working with his teachers constantly.  When he is engaged he is awesome... but sometimes he gets stuck and gets stubborn about it. A lot of time it is a simple thing that has him stuck, but he doesn't see that and has given up.  Once shown, he comes around.

 

His good teachers see that and work with him... Teachers make all the difference to helping  him overcome his teenage angst.  The one's he struggles with are the one's that I did.  They suck at communicating and don't get him.  The good ones stay in touch with us a let us know what is going on.  But the others we have to ride herd on them to keep them working with him.  I am trying to teach him to learn from all and all their styles and don't take the fact that they aren't good teachers doesn't mean he has to give up.  There other ways to figure out what he needs to learn and be successful and that is his responsibility.  Of course he alternates at that age between taking responsibility and wanting to just be a kid... that is part of the deal.

 

In hockey as anywhere else there are consequences.  I like that Housley was working with McCabe today... it shows to me he is engaged. McCabe getting less minutes and then working with him seems to be Housley's style... watch for a while, then I'll work with you and show you what you are missing and lets try this again.  

 

He is not giving up on anyone and it is a process.  He uses consequences, playing time, line switching, taking advantage of each player's skill set and then trying to get them all to improve on the skills that they are weak at.... You can see his process, he is transparent about that and a good teacher always is. 

 

I can't wait to see these guys put it all together... its coming, but it takes patience and constantly figuring out each players buttons.  Housley has just begun this process.  And he isn't backing down which is really encouraging.  


Edited by North Buffalo, 20 October 2017 - 12:47 AM.


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Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:01 AM

Grades are the consequence, not letting the kid participate in things they are interested in are consequences... failing is a consequence and if that doesn't work, trade school, a good teacher finds that hot button thing that makes the kid tick.  Some kids are more stubborn than others.  And yes parents need to do the same thing at home and more... It is not a black and white kinda of thing, its a partnership.  I have a 13 year old boy who is going through puberty and fighting every chance he gets to do just what he wants not what he needs.  Sometimes its about coming down hard, sometimes its about just giving encouragement... lots of love and keeping him on his toes.  

 

I didn't know my head from my backside at that age... still don't but that is another argument. I have managed to figure it out and survive.  My kid is very intelligent so he can be manipulative and just gets down on himself when things don't come easy.  It is a challenge and we are working with his teachers constantly.  When he is engaged he is awesome... but sometimes he gets stuck and gets stubborn about it. A lot of time it is a simple thing that has him stuck, but he doesn't see that and has given up.  Once shown, he comes around.

 

His good teachers see that and work with him... Teachers make all the difference to helping  him overcome his teenage angst.  The one's he struggles with are the one's that I did.  They suck at communicating and don't get him.  The good ones stay in touch with us a let us know what is going on.  But the others we have to ride herd on them to keep them working with him.  I am trying to teach him to learn from all and all their styles and don't take the fact that they aren't good teachers doesn't mean he has to give up.  There other ways to figure out what he needs to learn and be successful and that is his responsibility.  Of course he alternates at that age between taking responsibility and wanting to just be a kid... that is part of the deal.

 

In hockey as anywhere else there are consequences.  I like that Housley was working with McCabe today... it shows to me he is engaged. McCabe getting less minutes and then working with him seems to be Housley's style... watch for a while, then I'll work with you and show you what you are missing and lets try this again.  

 

He is not giving up on anyone and it is a process.  He uses consequences, playing time, line switching, taking advantage of each player's skill set and then trying to get them all to improve on the skills that they are weak at.... You can see his process, he is transparent about that and a good teacher always is. 

 

I can't wait to see these guys put it all together... its coming, but it takes patience and constantly figuring out each players buttons.  Housley has just begun this process.  And he isn't backing down which is really encouraging.  

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 10:10 AM

I'll second bun on that North, very well put.