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#1 ShadowLiger

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:22 PM

Jack needs to stop going in stick first hoping and praying. Move your feet and work. You're in a league where everyone is talented so to quote the movie miracle "You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone." He keeps floating or gliding around. He needs to give more than 70% skating effort. 

 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:30 PM

It seems to me to be less about just moving his feet and more about being engaged physically at the right times. Elite offensive players tend to get comfortable with their raw talent allowing them to keep more separation from other players, using the stick and their positional awareness to do a lot of the work.

But that doesn't matter when an opponent has decided he doesn't give a crap about how good you are. Which is what is happening to Jack right now. Which means he has to go against his instincts and accept that his skill alone isn't enough to do things like drive to the net with defenders hanging off of you, or take the puck away on the forecheck.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:34 PM

Time to grow up for Jack. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

I heard $80 million was his not moving his feet contract price. If we wanted him to move his feet we should have paid him $90 million.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 12:44 PM

Time to grow up for Jack. 

Time to finally get coached at the NHL level. We lost two valuable years of development for Jack under Bylsma. It's foolish to think he was just going to be plug and play from college to the pros given the way he played the game in college. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:29 PM

I heard $80 million was his not moving his feet contract price. If we wanted him to move his feet we should have paid him $90 million.


It's like, why do they even SELL the 8GB Jack Eichel model?!

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:34 PM

Housley needs to play that movie in the background or clips before every practice and every game.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:37 PM

In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. 

I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

Still 5 players away, minimum. Every time I see that lineup, I realize why this team is as bad as they are. I don't even know what to think of the defense but man, that offense is terrible.




The whole clip..,

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:45 PM

In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. 

I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. 

I think the disaster is the complete inability of any line to consistently control the puck during ES, PP, and PK play. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:51 PM

I'd agree with that. I talked in the preseason about us needing to find somebody who had chemistry with Jack. Puck possession give and go back and forth etc etc.  There is no Jack plus whoever magic.   Kane has talent, but he is just a trigger man, not a good passer or play maker. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:35 PM

I think the disaster is the complete inability of any line to consistently control the puck during ES, PP, and PK play. 

 

You forgot about controlling the puck around the crease.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

Time to finally get coached at the NHL level. We lost two valuable years of development for Jack under Bylsma. It's foolish to think he was just going to be plug and play from college to the pros given the way he played the game in college. 

 

We see it differently.  From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously.  It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues.  His issues are his.  And they are continuing under a new coach.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:26 PM

I worry that you're right.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:29 PM

We see it differently. From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously. It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues. His issues are his. And they are continuing under a new coach.


This is fair and although I'm still interested in siding with Jack against Bylsma, he's getting no such thing from me under Housley. I trust Phil way more than Dan to coach Jack, if Jack is coachable at all.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:52 PM

The thread title reminds me that some 300-level leather lung at Jack's first scrimmage in the summer of 2015 yelled, MOVE YOUR FEET, EICHEL! THIS IS THE NHL!

 

Granted, he looked sluggish, but IIRC he was operating on fumes after a whirlwind week. And... it was just a scrimmage. Alas, there was booing, at Eichel IIRC, when he failed to score in the shootout.

 

It has to be a terrible place to play, despite the requisite praise of the fan base. Sure, I contribute to the negativity online, but I've never once booed at a Sabres game. I'd love to cheer more, but I'm a follower and not a leader, and no one else ever cheers. Sometimes I think each section needs a captain to whip the ###### pot pies into shape.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:59 PM

Serious question:  do you think any NHL arena, for a team that has made the playoffs twice in the last 10 years and zero times in the last 7 years, with zero series wins, is more supportive than the Sabres' crowd?



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:03 PM

There's a lot that has to be figured out and that applies to our young star.  I know we want him to just take over and overcome everything happening around him but it's going to take a little time.  Heck we're switching lines after 3 games - so it's a bit of a reset that's going to take additional time. 

 

I feel like Jack and this team will look much different after a Month of playing and practicing together. 

 

I notice Jack being a bit more physical at times, not all the time, but I've seen him mixing it up down low.  He's getting double teamed on the PP and making smart passes that's opened up the whole other side of the ice.  We just haven't done much with it.


Edited by 7+6=13, 11 October 2017 - 07:05 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:08 PM

When he engages physically he can dominate. He does it infrequently

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:16 PM

When he engages physically he can dominate. He does it infrequently

It is weird to see that Jack has a predominately finnesse playmaking style when he's a physical beast with a killer shot.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:28 PM

It is weird to see that Jack has a predominately finnesse playmaking style when he's a physical beast with a killer shot.


I kinda want to see him on a line with two players who can't shoot worth ######, just to see what he'd do. I think the finesse style comes from him trying to set other people up, when really he needs to be more selfish. He needs to drive to the slot and shoot. He almost always has the room to do it.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:30 PM

I agree. He's trying to be a set up man. He needs to battle and attack

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:41 PM

In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. 

I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. 

This post made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that. 

So by analogy, Crosby's success must be predicated on Bonino's success on the 3rd line. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:04 PM

The thread title reminds me that some 300-level leather lung at Jack's first scrimmage in the summer of 2015 yelled, MOVE YOUR FEET, EICHEL! THIS IS THE NHL!
 
Granted, he looked sluggish, but IIRC he was operating on fumes after a whirlwind week. And... it was just a scrimmage. Alas, there was booing, at Eichel IIRC, when he failed to score in the shootout.
 
It has to be a terrible place to play, despite the requisite praise of the fan base. Sure, I contribute to the negativity online, but I've never once booed at a Sabres game. I'd love to cheer more, but I'm a follower and not a leader, and no one else ever cheers. Sometimes I think each section needs a captain to whip the ###### pot pies into shape.


We cheer the good and boo the bad. Kinda like a fan does.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:14 PM

We see it differently. From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously. It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues. His issues are his. And they are continuing under a new coach.


I think both you and D4rk are right. I think Jack has a bit of a natural and difficult to coach arrogance about him, but I also think that could have been mediated by a different style of coaching his first two years as a pro. Instead, Bylsma exacerbated it.

We cheer the good and boo the bad. Kinda like a fan does.


Bad fans, maybe. :P ;)

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:59 PM

It is weird to see that Jack has a predominately finnesse playmaking style when he's a physical beast with a killer shot.


I've been saying he's more in the mould of a Getzlaf type player in terms of style since he got here. Still think that applies.

I agree. He's trying to be a set up man. He needs to battle and attack


What's wrong with being a set up man? Would you tell McDavid to try something else? Jack can and should learn to shoot more, but he'll generally be playmaking first, as that's more his natural play style.

Edited by Thorny, 11 October 2017 - 10:00 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:03 PM

I've been saying he's more in the mould of a Getzlaf type player in terms of style since he got here. Still think that applies.


What's wrong with being a set up man? Would you tell McDavid to try something else? Jack can and should learn to shoot more, but he'll generally be playmaking first, as that's more his natural play style.


You can't bring McDavid into this if you want to help Jack's case. McDavid is a much more rounded player than Jack.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:09 PM

You can't bring McDavid into this if you want to help Jack's case. McDavid is a much more rounded player than Jack.


Pick any player you want that is primarily a passer first. The player specifically is irrelevant. That McDavid is better doesn't really factor in. He "only" had 30 goals last year. For a man of his talents, I'm sure he could have had more. Instead he got 70 assists.

Jack's ratio will lean a little more towards the goal side, something like a 2:3 ratio, like he's shown. That seems about right for him.

That is to say, I don't think the result of Jack playing better will be that he "scores more goals", it'll be that he scores more goals and the corresponding amount of assists that generally go with the way he plays.

Edited by Thorny, 11 October 2017 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:10 PM

I've been saying he's more in the mould of a Getzlaf type player in terms of style since he got here. Still think that applies.


What's wrong with being a set up man? Would you tell McDavid to try something else? Jack can and should learn to shoot more, but he'll generally be playmaking first, as that's more his natural play style.


Mostly I think people see his shot and just want him to use it more, with a side helping of being tired of watching players fail to cash in on his dishes. I definitely agree he's more of a pass-first player by nature, but on this particular roster, I'm not sure that's best serving the team.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:15 PM

Mostly I think people see his shot and just want him to use it more, with a side helping of being tired of watching players fail to cash in on his dishes. I definitely agree he's more of a pass-first player by nature, but on this particular roster, I'm not sure that's best serving the team.


Makes sense. Who do we have coming that'll complement Jack's natural tendencies? Nylander? He's pass first too, I think. Do we have anyone in the "sniper" mould on the way? I feel like our farm system leans towards playmakers currently.

Maybe a guy like Fasching, if he makes it. He's not a sniper, but if he has enough touch around the net, he could be maybe a Hyman type player for Jack.

Count me in the group that would still like to see ROR on Jack's wing. He's certainly shown himself capable of finishing around the net.

Edited by Thorny, 11 October 2017 - 10:30 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 10:29 PM

I think both you and D4rk are right. I think Jack has a bit of a natural and difficult to coach arrogance about him, but I also think that could have been mediated by a different style of coaching his first two years as a pro. Instead, Bylsma exacerbated it.

Bad fans, maybe. :P ;)

 

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:18 AM

Some players have 'it' some players don't. Lets hope he does.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:15 AM

Growing pains for Eichel and the Sabres. Patience required



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:51 AM

Growing pains for Perreault Housley Turgeon Peca Connolly Vanek Grigorenko Eichel and the Sabres. Patience required

FIFY.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:09 AM

 

 

Message to Eich ... 45 second mark ... GO!!



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:33 AM

FIFY.

 

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:44 AM

 

 

Message to Eich ... 45 second mark ... GO!!

 

Is that Jack's cousin shown dancing at the 1:01 mark?



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:05 PM

FIFY.

 

:flirt:  :wub:

 

I think you forgot a few though.


Is that Jack's cousin shown dancing at the 1:01 mark?

 

Good catch, Mr. Smell.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:06 PM

FIFY.

 

Touche.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:09 PM

The thread title reminds me that some 300-level leather lung at Jack's first scrimmage in the summer of 2015 yelled, MOVE YOUR FEET, EICHEL! THIS IS THE NHL!

 

Granted, he looked sluggish, but IIRC he was operating on fumes after a whirlwind week. And... it was just a scrimmage. Alas, there was booing, at Eichel IIRC, when he failed to score in the shootout.

 

It has to be a terrible place to play, despite the requisite praise of the fan base. Sure, I contribute to the negativity online, but I've never once booed at a Sabres game. I'd love to cheer more, but I'm a follower and not a leader, and no one else ever cheers. Sometimes I think each section needs a captain to whip the ###### pot pies into shape.

 

Today on Facebook someone posted a pic of Jagr in the game last night for Calgary, And folks were waxing poetic about how great it is that Jagr is still in the game.  A Pittsburgh fan posted "I wish we didn't boo him here in Pittsburgh for like, 15 seasons".

 

I guess every fanbase does it.  We expect so much from these guys.