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#1 matter2003

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:05 PM

I don't even know what to think at this point...I don't care bout new systems, these guys look like they have never even played hockey before.  What system tells you to pass the puck directly to the other team repeatedly and then ignore basic fundamental hockey on odd man rushes against?  

 

By far the best player in the first 3 games has been the one everyone seems to want to get rid of in Evander Kane.  

 

None of what we have seen in the first 3 games has to do with system it has to do with guys having their head up their @ss...

 

These players should be embarrassed for receiving a paycheck for what they have been doing.  Time to grow up.


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:11 PM

I don't foresee anything changing.
Players like ROR and Okposo are no shows so far.
Defense is a catastrophe and 8 forwards are basically pylons.

In short its a big ###### sandwich and us fans are going to have to take a bite.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:15 PM

Heart. They lack heart. 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:21 PM

I don't even know what to think at this point...I don't care bout new systems, these guys look like they have never even played hockey before.  What system tells you to pass the puck directly to the other team repeatedly and then ignore basic fundamental hockey on odd man rushes against?  
 
By far the best player in the first 3 games has been the one everyone seems to want to get rid of in Evander Kane.  
 
None of what we have seen in the first 3 games has to do with system it has to do with guys having their head up their @ss...
 
These players should be embarrassed for receiving a paycheck for what they have been doing.  Time to grow up.

Couldn't have been said better than this.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:32 PM

A lot of it is lack of chemistry. They are not a team, just a collection of confused people butting their heads again the wall.

May sound silly, but have they done any non-hockey team building activities? Things like that help people connect.

Perhaps the road trip out west will be a good thing to get them all on the same page

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:34 PM

I don't foresee anything changing.
Players like ROR and Okposo are no shows so far.
Defense is a catastrophe and 8 forwards are basically pylons.

 

I'm beginning to think that O'Reilly and Okposo were fast enough to be good in the NHL of 2015....but they aren't fast enough to be good in the NHL of 2017-2018. The league is changing fast (literally).


Edited by mjd1001, 09 October 2017 - 06:34 PM.


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:36 PM

A lack of real talent.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:45 PM

A lack of real talent.


Yep. It's coming but still a year away

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:46 PM

I don't foresee anything changing.
Players like ROR and Okposo are no shows so far.
Defense is a catastrophe and 8 forwards are basically pylons.

In short its a big ###### sandwich and us fans are going to have to take a bite.

And our leading goal scorer will probably be traded sometime this year


Yep. It's coming but still a year away

Yep, haven't heard this before



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:52 PM

Yep. It's coming but still a year away

I'm not being sarcastic, but is there a large enough influx of talent to have a major impact on this team?

 

-We all hope Guhle is good/great, but he sure didn't look that good in this camp/preseason.

 

-There has to be serious doubts about Bailey and Baptiste now. They were no-shows in camp.  I still want to believe Baptiste has the talent to be Eichel's winger long term and be a 25+ goal guy, but I'm starting to have doubts.

 

-Nylander hasn't shown me anything at all saying he is close to ready...even with the Amerks last year.

 

Is there anyone I'm missing?  I HOPE any of the above players will eventually have an impact, but right now they have as many flaws/holes as what we are seeing on the Sabres.



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:52 PM

And our leading goal scorer will probably be traded sometime this year
Yep, haven't heard this before



You are right, I've been saying 2018/19 season for a long long time

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:56 PM

I don't think it's talent. They didn't even look this inept last year. I just dont understand it. This team is soft. They have zero spine. I think they're losers and are comfortable losing. They have a loser mentality. The very second one thing goes wrong the entire team collapses. They are mentally weak and have ZERO grit.

The leadership on the team has the same 'here we go again' attitude that we're feeling, and unfortunately, things are going to go wrong in a new system with new personnel. And to top it all off Beauleiu is atrocious and immediately puts them in bad situations.

This team is playing on it's heels and is quitting. Kane is not a locker room leader and won't be able shake them out of it. I think that at this point we need a classic Torts style locker room confrontation and not a buddy fest. Make them bag skate until they puke. Make them fear and hate losing until they either develop some grit or get rid of em. It has nothing to do with talent what's happening out there and everything to do with attitude.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:00 PM

THE BUFFALO SABRES WILL BE FINE

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:03 PM

The worst possible thing has happened, they were rebuilt the wrong way and i really don't care where they go from here. Talent with no heart equals who knows how many more years until playoffs

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:04 PM

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:10 PM

I'm not being sarcastic, but is there a large enough influx of talent to have a major impact on this team?
 
-We all hope Guhle is good/great, but he sure didn't look that good in this camp/preseason.
 
-There has to be serious doubts about Bailey and Baptiste now. They were no-shows in camp.  I still want to believe Baptiste has the talent to be Eichel's winger long term and be a 25+ goal guy, but I'm starting to have doubts.
 
-Nylander hasn't shown me anything at all saying he is close to ready...even with the Amerks last year.
 
Is there anyone I'm missing?  I HOPE any of the above players will eventually have an impact, but right now they have as many flaws/holes as what we are seeing on the Sabres.

I'm not being sarcastic, but is there a large enough influx of talent to have a major impact on this team?
 
-We all hope Guhle is good/great, but he sure didn't look that good in this camp/preseason.
 
-There has to be serious doubts about Bailey and Baptiste now. They were no-shows in camp.  I still want to believe Baptiste has the talent to be Eichel's winger long term and be a 25+ goal guy, but I'm starting to have doubts.
 
-Nylander hasn't shown me anything at all saying he is close to ready...even with the Amerks last year.
 
Is there anyone I'm missing?  I HOPE any of the above players will eventually have an impact, but right now they have as many flaws/holes as what we are seeing on the Sabres.



I think so, I believe Nylander will have a very good season once he returns from injury and will be a full time Sabres early in the new year. I'm sure you've heard it before but he was one of the best players in the WJC but had a tough situation on a terrible AHL team

BAptiste amd Bailey will be full time NHL players. Just need to find consistency. They are still very young players and more time in the AHL is never a bad thing.

MIttelstandt will be a huge addition to the team next season.
You have Asplund and Pu adding speed and skill as well

That's 6 forwards right there. All have speed and skill.

I've been saying 2018/19 forever and I'm still very optimistic that I am right.

I don't think it's talent. They didn't even look this inept last year. I just dont understand it. This team is soft. They have zero spine. I think they're losers and are comfortable losing. They have a loser mentality. The very second one thing goes wrong the entire team collapses. They are mentally weak and have ZERO grit.
The leadership on the team has the same 'here we go again' attitude that we're feeling, and unfortunately, things are going to go wrong in a new system with new personnel. And to top it all off Beauleiu is atrocious and immediately puts them in bad situations.
This team is playing on it's heels and is quitting. Kane is not a locker room leader and won't be able shake them out of it. I think that at this point we need a classic Torts style locker room confrontation and not a buddy fest. Make them bag skate until they puke. Make them fear and hate losing until they either develop some grit or get rid of em. It has nothing to do with talent what's happening out there and everything to do with attitude.


Actually, Torts was fired twice using that style of coaching. He completely changed his style last season in Columbus

http://www.sportsnet...e-blue-jackets/

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:12 PM

I think so, I believe Nylander will have a very good season once he returns from injury and will be a full time Sabres early in the new year. I'm sure you've heard it before but he was one of the best players in the WJC but had a tough situation on a terrible AHL team

BAptiste amd Bailey will be full time NHL players. Just need to find consistency. They are still very young players and more time in the AHL is never a bad thing.

MIttelstandt will be a huge addition to the team next season.
You have Asplund and Pu adding speed and skill as well

That's 6 forwards right there. All have speed and skill.

I've been saying 2018/19 forever and I'm still very optimistic that I am right.

How many players can we say so far this year didn't "show up" they way they were expected?

 

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, O'Reilly, Beaulieu, Antipin, Ristolainen, Eichel, Reinhart.  Am I missing anyone???



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:15 PM

Actually, Torts was fired twice using that style of coaching. He completely changed his style last season in Columbus

http://www.sportsnet...e-blue-jackets/


I'm not saying that it would work permanent basis, but as of right now this team needs a wake up call. And if losing abysmally isn't enough to put forth effort you need to make them hate losing even more. You don't toughen up people with hugs.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:17 PM

 

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:17 PM

THE BUFFALO SABRES WILL BE FINE

 

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:17 PM

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:25 PM

I'm not saying that it would work permanent basis, but as of right now this team needs a wake up call. And if losing abysmally isn't enough to put forth effort you need to make them hate losing even more. You don't toughen up people with hugs.

I'm ready to start asking if there are serious alcohol and/or drug issues in the locker room.  This disconnected, this fast, with an ENTIRELY new staff and 10 new players?  It doesn't make any sense.  They didn't just get beaten in these last 2 games, they got embarrassed and it didn't look like anyone gave a damn.  They were making Squirt level errors out there repeatedly.

 

Remember the good old days when Ralph Wilson would hire private investigators to tail players like Bruce Smith?  I think we might be in that territory.


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:27 PM

How many players can we say so far this year didn't "show up" they way they were expected?
 
Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, O'Reilly, Beaulieu, Antipin, Ristolainen, Eichel, Reinhart.  Am I missing anyone???


What does any of that have to do with next season?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:30 PM

What does any of that have to do with next season?

That we already have a huge list of players who are underperforming.  It's doesn't bode well for development if you're not showing up in camp with wide open jobs on the line.  It doesn't bode well for development when you are mailing in the 3rd game of the season at home.



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:31 PM

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

Heart. They lack heart.



Bang on! It's this simple! Ask yourself, if Ted Nolan was coaching this team would we have more points? If the answer is yes, we need a better effort.

All that being said, realistically did anyone expect us to have more then 1 point? You're probably delusional. Give it some time, guys are thinking a new coach and some new faces automatically equal wins. Well it won't, gotta buy in and work hard. Hopefully we just got beat bad enough that that starts to click in.

Alot to be concerned about forsure, but Pittsburgh got beat 10-1, pretty sure they will be in the playoffs. So let's put the because buffalo aside and wait until we actually know what this team is made of. There has been a few times we have been able to sustain offensive zone pressure, and that's a huge positive.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:34 PM

THE BUFFALO SABRES WILL BE FINE

  

THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER

I couldn't disagree more.
For myself, and I'm sure some others, it comes down to compete. That is partial coaching, partial internal drive and passion of the players.
3 games in, 2 of which are complete catastrophic blowouts......HOUSTON, we have a problem......

ROR himself is saying openly he just skates around aimlessly and he doesn't understand why. That's an issue, a BIG issue.

Help coming in a year? Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, Nylander, Guhle?
Even if 3 out of those forwards pan out and Guhle, its not enough, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.
Take a good look around the EC. Toronto, New Jersey are up and comers, TB, Pitt, Wash and Florida are either poised or already on a higher trajectory.

People talk about playoffs? When we are watching a complete collapse, yes, a complete collapse of how to do basic fundamentals and create a winning attitude is completely out the window here?

Playoffs???
I think its time to realize that no matter how much we HOPE for something, action is needed. Duchene, re-unite ROR with him. Yes at the expense of Reinhart.
Move Moulson, get that contract gone, even if it means moving a 1st to do it.
The defense.......we need some serious help here. I can't even fathom the cost. But we are right hand shot, r8ght wing prospect rich, target a 2/3 24 to 28 yr old and make it happen.

We are bleeding points, in a conference where every point counts. Don't "WAIT" for it to magically happen. Get ahead of this Bots long before the 1/4 season mark. Time is money!!!!!

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:36 PM

Bang on! It's this simple! Ask yourself, if Ted Nolan was coaching this team would we have more points? If the answer is yes, we need a better effort.
All that being said, realistically did anyone expect us to have more then 1 point? You're probably delusional. Give it some time, guys are thinking a new coach and some new faces automatically equal wins. Well it won't, gotta buy in and work hard. Hopefully we just got beat bad enough that that starts to click in.
Alot to be concerned about forsure, but Pittsburgh got beat 10-1, pretty sure they will be in the playoffs. So let's put the because buffalo aside and wait until we actually know what this team is made of. There has been a few times we have been able to sustain offensive zone pressure, and that's a huge positive.


To think the Sabres could have beaten Moe-ray-all is delusional?

WTF? Is this Scott's other message board?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:41 PM

How many players can we say so far this year didn't "show up" they way they were expected?

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste, O'Reilly, Beaulieu, Antipin, Ristolainen, Eichel, Reinhart. Am I missing anyone???

Fasching and Antipin are exactly where I expected.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:42 PM

A lot of it is lack of chemistry. They are not a team, just a collection of confused people butting their heads again the wall.

May sound silly, but have they done any non-hockey team building activities? Things like that help people connect.

Perhaps the road trip out west will be a good thing to get them all on the same page

I don't know. The Jack and Sam bromance riding up on the bicycle built for two was a cool stunt that could easily be mistaken as a team builder. At least those two are close. 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:01 PM

Talk and debate and argue, this guy's bad, that guy's bad, it's his fault, no it's not it's the other guy etc etc but the truth is simpler: they are just not any good.

 

Just finished watching the Leafs Hawks game and it was very depressing. Everything you wished we were, everything you thought we'd be. Fast exciting game with teams that never quit. The centrepiece scores the winner in OT. 

 

We are SO FAR AWAY from even being close to these teams it is ridiculous. 


Another simple point of wtf's wrong with them.

 

Look at most teams that are improving or trying to improve. How many rookies or young former farm guys on their rosters from last year? Boston has 4 I think, Flyers have 3 or 4. Go around the league and see. Now look at our roster, where the only new bodies are cast offs and guys from trades. Antipin is the only one. Years of squandered and bad draft picks along with the lost lotteries gives you this, whatever this is. 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:03 PM

Talk and debate and argue, this guy's bad, that guy's bad, it's his fault, no it's not it's the other guy etc etc but the truth is simpler: they are just not any good.

 

Just finished watching the Leafs Hawks game and it was very depressing. Everything you wished we were, everything you thought we'd be. Fast exciting game with teams that never quit. The centrepiece scores the winner in OT. 

 

We are SO FAR AWAY from even being close to these teams it is ridiculous. 


Another simple point of wtf's wrong with them.

 

Look at most teams that are improving or trying to improve. How many rookies or young former farm guys on their rosters from last year? Boston has 4 I think, Flyers have 3 or 4. Go around the league and see. Now look at our roster, where the only new bodies are cast offs and guys from trades. Antipin is the only one. Years of squandered and bad draft picks along with the lost lotteries gives you this, whatever this is. 

Can you post this a few more times, in a few more threads?



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:05 PM

A state of the (dis)union type post seemed appropriate for post 200. You can put it in ALL the threads if you want, cause really, there is nothing else to say. 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:24 PM

Fasching and Antipin are exactly where I expected.


I think Bailey and Baptiste too. Neither were 1st round picks and both are only 22. There are lots of instances that it takes a player until they are 23 or 24 to hit their stride in the NHL. Arvidsson is a perfect example, he plays 3 years professionall, Has a few games with the preds but doesn't really score and then when he is 23 and in his 4th season he breaks out.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:28 PM

I could use a little nasty. If this is uptempo, wide open hockey,… Its kinda boring.



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:30 PM

I could use a little nasty. If this is uptempo, wide open hockey,… Its kinda boring.

I take it you're not going to be one of the posters that will continue to insist on unloading Kane at the deadline? 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:30 PM

After Watching all the islanders goals again, there is no way that 82 should have been playing tonight in anything but the 6th D spot. He definitely needs to be taken off the PP unit. I'd almost take Gorges dressing over him at this point

Yes, I would have liked to see the Sabres fight through his mistakes but man they are egregious errors by him.

When Bogo returns, he has to be the odd man out.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:32 PM

I take it you're not going to be one of the posters that will continue to insist on unloading Kane at the deadline? 

No chance.



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:35 PM

No chance.

I'm still wishy washy about where I want him playing but Evander Kane will emerge from the twitter-induced nuclear holocaust and score 25 goals, skating hard every game. 

Especially after this start, I have lost all interest in letting him walk. 



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:37 PM

We look like we will be so bad we will have to unload him because 1) you can't count on him being this good on a bad team AFTER he signs a big contract and 2) he won't want to sign with us long term anyway.

 

Honestly, we are so bad any player who willingly wants to sign a long term deal with us is probably motivated more by money than by winning.............wait a minute......oh crap.