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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:29 PM

The question was simple: “Do you know what your Corsi percentage was last season?”
The answer: Not a single one of those players had even a vague idea.
“No,” Patrick Kane said. “I couldn’t even tell you what a good Corsi is. It’s not something our team really pays attention to.”


“No clue,” Tyler Seguin said. “I don’t really look at the Corsi stuff.”


“No idea,” T.J. Oshie said. “I don’t even know what Corsi is. I know it’s something about shots on net.”


“Nope,” Jordan Eberle said.


“I don’t know my Corsi,” Jack Eichel said. “I don’t pay attention at all. I’ve heard of it.”


The follow-up question: “Do you know what your plus/minus was last season?”
Interestingly, for a stat that some say is the worst in hockey, 13 out of the 18 players polled either knew their exact plus/minus, or were within one or two. The others had a general idea of the range.
“Plus-3,” Eberle said confidently.


“Minus-14?” Seguin asked. [It was 15.]


“It had to be low,” Eichel said.


“If there is one stat I could take away, it would be Corsi,” Seth Jones said. “Because I don’t think it gives a full representation of the game. You can be caught in situations that are not your fault. You will have four shots against and you have nothing do with that situation.”
In some cases, Corsi is even a running joke on the ice.
“I’ve never heard any player say ‘Oh man, I had a great Corsi last night. I crushed it!’” Oshie said. “We’ll joke about it in practice or in the summer league. To me, I don’t think it means that much.”
There was also some outright disdain.
“I think Corsi is garbage. It’s kind of a waste of time,” Eberle said. “I know stats. I pay attention to team puck possession – you know which teams are good at it. But I also think plus/minus is a waste of time, too.
There was one year I had nine empty-net minuses.”
Jones said he believes “defencemen hate Corsi more than forwards.”
“If you’re out against Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin all game, your Corsi isn’t going to be very good,” Jones said. “Those guys control the game"
I take a lot of pride in putting up those [Corsi] numbers,” Franson told the Chicago Sun-Times this week. “Some people take those into account, some don’t. Obviously, I’m biased because I have good numbers. But I think they count for something. I thought I played a lot of really good hockey last year [with the Sabres], and the stats just never really showed up for me.”


“I do think some guys know in the back of their head it’s a stat, so they just throw the puck on net,” he said.
The only time, it seems, that Corsi becomes important - or that players pay attention - is when it’s used at the negotiating table for the next contract.
“Players pay attention a little bit then,” Jones said. “I know it’s getting frustrating for players because [teams] they’re using it in negotiations, saying ‘Hey, this guy has a Corsi that’s low, we’ll give him $200,000 less bucks.’ It’s a little frustrating for some players.”
Oshie also said “a lot of people” have reminded him or mentioned last season’s league-best shooting percentage of 23.1 per cent – which is 75 per cent higher than his career average – almost as a way of suggesting he won’t be able to repeat that success.
Oshie had no way to explain the jump in percentage. He said his shooting skills weren't any different than prior seasons. That statistical anomaly didn't stop him from earning a new eight-year, $46-million extension in the off-season.


“I look at 5-per-cent chances sometimes,” Seguin said. “Basically, you could just say it’s a little box around the net and you have to be in it to have a 5-per-cent chance. You look to see if you’re plus or minus for 5-per-cent chances for the night. As a centre, I use it more to see what is against me and my line for that night, how we did.”


Edited by WildCard, 22 September 2017 - 01:32 PM.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:06 PM

The more I've come to learn about advanced stats, the more I've come to realize that I don't really understand them.


I also know enough to know that looking at a player's Corsi or Fenwick, in isolation, is not useful.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 04:11 PM

“I think Corsi is garbage. It’s kind of a waste of time,” Eberle said.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:18 PM

That Seth Jones quote is my favorite....if we were to get rid of every stat that didn't tell the whole story, we'd literally have zero stats.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:09 PM

Love the Oshie one myself

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:45 PM

Love the Oshie one myself

He's overpaid based off it