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#121 millbank

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:14 PM

Buffalo goalie played well

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:27 PM

Buffalo goalie played well

He did.  It would have been a farce otherwise.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:29 PM

So Austin Matthews, wasn't that impressive tonight.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:29 PM

It’s nice to have a backup in waiting , he will be needed during the season

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:33 PM

It’s nice to have a backup in waiting , he will be needed during the season

Long term that position seems covered.  The short term is much less certain.


So Austin Matthews, wasn't that impressive tonight.

I thought he was very impressive.  The kid has skill



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:36 PM

I thought he blended in, which is fine but I didn't see him takeover

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:40 PM

So Austin Matthews, wasn't that impressive tonight.


Matthews is an impressive player. I'm very rarely consistently impressed though when I watch him live. Little flash, long stretches of being invisible, then he'll get to the right spot at the right time and make an amazing play. And he'll do that more than most players, as he's an exceptional talent.

But he's a grinder, and a poor man's Crosby stylistically. And a poor man's Crosby still happens to be a top 10/20 player in the game.

I'm frequently more impressed with Willie Nylander and won't be surprised if he becomes a better player. Hot take.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:41 PM

I'm just damn impressed by what the Leafs can do at speed, going back to last year. Even their grinders can keep the puck and make quick, smart plays at high speed. I see no reason why that team won't be in contention for the division, even when injuries hit harder than they did last year. 

 

I'm interested to see how the better Sabres do when they have a little more room than these ones had tonight. 



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:57 PM

Also, dudacek mentioned often how we needed 1 or 2 of Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, Nylander to step up and cement themselves on the roster, and every single one of these guys is shrinking at the task. Fasching has been completely neutral, easily the best of the bunch, Nylander was invisible and then injured and out of the picture, and Bailey/Baptiste have been downright bad. duda's "13th forward" Rodrigues has been blowing these 4 out of the water (and now may have a concussion)



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:02 PM

Griffith looked solid again

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:13 PM

Also, dudacek mentioned often how we needed 1 or 2 of Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, Nylander to step up and cement themselves on the roster, and every single one of these guys is shrinking at the task. Fasching has been completely neutral, easily the best of the bunch, Nylander was invisible and then injured and out of the picture, and Bailey/Baptiste have been downright bad. duda's "13th forward" Rodrigues has been blowing these 4 out of the water (and now may have a concussion)

Agreed, the Leaves played a lot more of their starters tonight, but they outskated the Sabres.  Antipin looked better,  forwards look awful.  Didn't see much of the third, but jeez hometown refs. Non calls on them, Sabres too much time on the penalty kill.  That being said, they could use the work and did pretty well.  Fasching wasn't on the specialty teams much so didn't notice him much in the first two periods.  EROD looked good but may be out.  Rough hit. Good learning experience for the young Sabres and what they need to bring.  Pu looked decent, played hard but a little raw like he wasn't totally sure how to deal with the Leafs speed.  Lot of bouncing pucks and ice was terrible in the first, Sabres couldn't seem to keep the puck on their sticks in part because the Leafs aggressive forecheck. Again learning experience for the young defenders and what is needed to move the puck.   Looked in someways they were trying to figure how to implement Housley's breakouts... not rote yet, against a tough forecheck. Pouliot looked meh...


Sabres could use Nylander and Middlestadt now!  Middlestadt especially.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:17 PM

Pouliot looked meh...

 

I fear the only apt observation the Leaf commentators made: something like "Pouliot looks like the same Pouliot the Oilers passed on"


Edited by ericcomposer72, 22 September 2017 - 10:17 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

Also, dudacek mentioned often how we needed 1 or 2 of Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, Nylander to step up and cement themselves on the roster, and every single one of these guys is shrinking at the task. Fasching has been completely neutral, easily the best of the bunch, Nylander was invisible and then injured and out of the picture, and Bailey/Baptiste have been downright bad. duda's "13th forward" Rodrigues has been blowing these 4 out of the water (and now may have a concussion)

  

Should we be starting up the injury thread? Things progressing as usual for the Sabres I see. Scandella, Nylander, Rodrigues, anyone else so far?

I fear the only apt observation the Leaf commentators made: something like "Pouliot looks like the same Pouliot the Oilers passed on"


I wonder if we should be lowering our expectations in general. If the 4 Flagg mentioned aren't going to go out and earn a spot, and Pouliot is looking below average, and Rodrigues is hurt, we're looking mighty short on wingers, again. Hello Reinhart back to wing, with all our talent crammed onto 2 lines again.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:33 PM

Deep breath. We're still 2 weeks away from opening night.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:40 PM

Deep breath. We're still 2 weeks away from opening night.


It's a valid point, though: if None of the four who were supposedly supposed to be battling for the open wing spots has shown enough to do so so far, in several years, 2 weeks is a blink of an eye.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:44 PM

Remember only half the team played tonight... so what Liger said has some merit.... except  Poulliot...meh, not impressed.... larger version of Moulson...


In fact if Poulliot plays that passively during regular season, would prefer Moulson... yeeeesh... ducks. 



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:44 PM

I mean I counted 5nhl players for Buffalo tonight.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:48 PM

I mean I counted 5nhl players for Buffalo tonight.


Definitely. 100% unconcerned with losing a meaningless preseason game. The lack of progress in camp in general from the likes of Baptiste, Bailey and Fasching, though, is a little concerning.

Edited by Thorny, 22 September 2017 - 10:49 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:50 PM

Risto, Scandella, Beaulieu, Bogo not playing.  McCabe and an inexperienced Antipin... Faulk... Tennison and who else playing D... pretty tough to play against Toronto's top line...  esplains a lot.


Definitely. 100% unconcerned with losing a meaningless preseason game. The lack of progress in camp in general though from the likes of Baptiste Bailey and Fasching, though, is rather concerning.

Fasching I have been seeing progress... the other two especially Baptiste have been pretty uninspiring.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:51 PM

Anyone else think Tennyson looks better than Gorges?



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:55 PM

For a moment then ...no. These guys, Griffith, Moses, Erod, Teenyson, Fedun, Falk are what they are, AHL players. That we have borderline NHL players in Pouilliot and Josefson is more disturbing.

Edited by 3putt, 22 September 2017 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:15 PM

Poulliot...meh, not impressed.... larger version of Moulson...


In fact if Poulliot plays that passively during regular season, would prefer Moulson... yeeeesh... ducks. 

 

I was thinking a less dynamic Drew Stafford...

 

Moulson can actually finish on the right line, and knows how to get into scoring positions when playing with people who can open up the ice



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:16 PM

I think it's a little far fetched to expect a team of underagers and AHL vets to look good against an NHL lineup. We had 1 top 3 line nhl center playing... and we expect the wingers to look good?

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:18 PM

I think it's a little far fetched to expect a team of underagers and AHL vets to look good against an NHL lineup. We had 1 top 3 line nhl center playing... and we expect the wingers to look good?

 

Right. And you can bet they're feeling the pressure to impress every shift.

 

They'll look way better if they're on lines with ROR, Eich, or Samson and another veteran winger



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:23 PM

I was thinking a less dynamic Drew Stafford...

 

Moulson can actually finish on the right line, and knows how to get into scoring positions when playing with people who can open up the ice

OMG... Drew Stafford came to mind too, just didn't want to jinx him... but LOL



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:26 PM

I thought erod and Griffith had good moments

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:52 PM


Just think, the Leafs managed 1 goal in 58 mins while we rolled out the C team.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:01 AM

Yeah when I saw the line up before I went to work I thought.   No NHL players means they want to see of those fighting for a spot if someone would show up.

Guess no one did.

 

How did PU look like ?



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:05 AM

How did PU look like ?


Like sh1t

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:21 AM

Anyone else think Tennyson looks better than Gorges?


Yup, but not as good as Antipin. Maybe Tennyson can be #7 and they can ship Gorges out/down.

Like sh1t


Still funny.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:30 AM

Relax. 

I'm supposed to be the pessimist around here not you guys. 

Exhibition game, means less than zero. 

 

Housley is going to try players in odd spots, different roles, different combos. None of it means anything. 



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 05:33 AM

Pu looked like art... Cheech and Chong routine with the dogs on the sidewalk...  man that looks like a piece of art man...

 

Seriously, he looked O.K. had a few moments, but needed to be more noticeable.


Edited by North Buffalo, 23 September 2017 - 05:34 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 07:51 AM

Antipin looked like a rookie in his own end.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 07:52 AM

Antipin looked like a rookie in his own end.

He is an NHL rookie.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 07:54 AM

He is an NHL rookie.


True, but he looked like he never played professional hockey before... made some terrible decisions with the puck.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:00 AM

http://www.tsn.ca/ri...sabres-1.864528

Not one mention at all of the Sabres lineup and it's consistency.

True, but he looked like he never played professional hockey before... made some terrible decisions with the puck.

He did look like he played pros b4. Just cuz he made a couple crappy passes, he isn't use to the NHL and it shows

Edited by ShadowLiger, 23 September 2017 - 08:03 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:40 AM

Antipin looked like a rookie in his own end.


A very experienced one then. He was better than I expected and quicker than I expected. He is a feistier Pysik.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:09 AM

Considering Toronto was playing most of their stronger groups, it's a meh showing on our part.  But, to be honest, the entire game was sloppy on both sides.  It seems to me from what little I saw (being ill) was that Antipin was over extending himself in both zones.  (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 01:04 PM

I think his natural instinct was turn it up ice asap. When he sees the Leafs stacked up inside center ice, his next instinct is to skate it, but the Leafs were pressuring in a half ice triangle. The third option is to the weak side and his partner and he were not on the same page. I think a lineup of regulars opens up the neutral zone more for options one and two. It was also a pretty fast pace and the Sabres as a whole were struggling to hang on to the puck. Creates more pressure on the d to not get caught cheating up. He get caught a few times.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:05 PM

True, but he looked like he never played professional hockey before... made some terrible decisions with the puck.


It's almost like some posters, one in particular, called this to a T.