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#521 PerreaultForever

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:54 AM

I wouldn't want to rush/ruin CM in any way so I'd probably think another year before the Sabres is a good idea. Having said that though, he certainly is a real solid prospect. Gives me faith moving forward in Botterill's drafting abilities. 



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Posted 10 February 2018 - 02:09 AM

I watched the Minn 4-2 win over Wis tonight.  Casey had some moments where he was the most skilled player on the ice, but he also didn't convert a few point blank chances.  Weissbach also had some nice moments for the Badgers.

 

You can't base an opinion based soley on one game's performance, but after watching Casey at the WJC and about 6 Gopher games, I think he probably needs another year in college.  I want to see him dominate the NCAA before going pro.  He is very close to being a dominate player and one more year should do it.



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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:35 AM

I watched the Minn 4-2 win over Wis tonight. Casey had some moments where he was the most skilled player on the ice, but he also didn't convert a few point blank chances. Weissbach also had some nice moments for the Badgers.

You can't base an opinion based soley on one game's performance, but after watching Casey at the WJC and about 6 Gopher games, I think he probably needs another year in college. I want to see him dominate the NCAA before going pro. He is very close to being a dominate player and one more year should do it.

I agree. His other option is a full Rochester year, aka CJ Smith.

I also think Olofsson needs a year in Rochester. I think 2018 will be better but we have another year of growth before we challenge for the playoffs.

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:50 AM

Can we add Casey Nelson to this list again?
Feels like I’m the only one talking about him.
He’s not “good” yet and I’m not a believer, but he is mostly holding his own.
He’s kinda reminding me of Pysyk a bit.
Is this the first unexpected fruit of “development” we’ve had since Butler, Gerbe and Kaleta a decade ago?



He has gotten way better. Before he was just getting run over or run by. Not sure what his upside is but playing defense is not easy and takes time to learn

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:45 PM

His passing an ice sense was awesome tonight. Really good outlet passes.

Edited by Kottbullar, 10 February 2018 - 09:46 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:38 PM

Casey is 25. After 23 you are no longer a prospect even if eventually become an NHL player.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

https://twitter.com/...133028812906496

WGR write up on Victor Oloffson

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:46 AM

Victor Olofsson has an SHL-best 24 goals with seven games remaining.

Leading SHL goal totals since 2010:

2016-17: 23

2015-16: 22

2014-15: 28

2013-14: 30

2012-13: 31

2011-12: 28

2010-11: 30



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:49 PM

Couple of nuggets from the WGR article that I found interesting:

 

A lot has changed for Olofsson since being taken with the 181st overall pick in the 2014 draft. On draft day, Olofsson measured in at just 5' 7" and 157-pounds, but was coming off of a season where he scored 32 goals and 53 points in 44 games with the MODO Under-20 junior team in Sweden. Olofsson now stands at 5' 11" and is about 20-pounds stronger than he was as an 18-year old.

 

The Sabres will have to sign Olofsson to an entry-level deal before June 1st this year, or else he will become a free agent.

 

 

I hate to say it, but if he's good, it would seem that there's a good chance that he signs elsewhere.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:58 PM

Couple of nuggets from the WGR article that I found interesting:

 

 

I hate to say it, but if he's good, it would seem that there's a good chance that he signs elsewhere.

 

Well, he played with Ullmark for 2 years on Modo, so maybe they're buds? 



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:01 PM

Well, he played with Ullmark for 2 years on Modo, so maybe they're buds? 

He knows Rasmus Asplund fairly well too. 



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:05 PM

He knows Rasmus Asplund fairly well too. 

 

Is Asplund signed?   I don't see that they've ever played together.


Edited by pi2000, 13 February 2018 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:08 PM

Is Asplund signed?   I don't see that they've ever played together.


Not yet

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:25 PM

Is Asplund signed?   I don't see that they've ever played together.

Didn't say they played together. I said they know each other. Asplund is not signed because he, like Olofsson is completing a SHL deal. 

 

http://www.espnroche...p-north-america

 

Olofsson enjoys playing against his younger counterpart, and has gotten to know him over the past few year from playing against him in Sweden and spending time together at development camp in Buffalo.

"It's always fun to play against him (Asplund)," Olofsson said. "Our team has a big rivalry going back, so they're really fun games to play. I've been getting to know Rasmus really well too. He's a fun guy, skilled player, good two-way centerman. He's been playing really good this year."



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:39 PM

Couple of nuggets from the WGR article that I found interesting:

 

 
I hate to say it, but if he's good, it would seem that there's a good chance that he signs elsewhere.


Why? Because Buffalo? With our desperate need for scoring and LWs, he has a legit shot to make the team and play on Jack’s wing. He’s going to get a one year ELC no matter where he goes. Who else can offer him such an opportunity? I have him and Smith pencilled in as two or our top 3 LWs to start next season.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

I agree. His other option is a full Rochester year, aka CJ Smith.

I also think Olofsson needs a year in Rochester. I think 2018 will be better but we have another year of growth before we challenge for the playoffs.

 

Mittelstadt + Olofsson = PROFIT.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

Why? Because Buffalo? With our desperate need for scoring and LWs, he has a legit shot to make the team and play on Jack’s wing. He’s going to get a one year ELC no matter where he goes. Who else can offer him such an opportunity? I have him and Smith pencilled in as two or our top 3 LWs to start next season.

 

Because there are plenty of teams that can use a young, cheap scoring winger and that are also much better teams than the Sabres and, depending on one's perspective, in more desirable cities.

 

It's also pretty ill-advised to depend on a 170-lb rookie who's never played in NA to hold down a top winger spot.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:35 PM

Why? Because Buffalo? With our desperate need for scoring and LWs, he has a legit shot to make the team and play on Jack’s wing. He’s going to get a one year ELC no matter where he goes. Who else can offer him such an opportunity? I have him and Smith penciled in as two or our top 3 LWs to start next season.

That is frightening



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:01 PM

I haven't seen enough of Olofsson but I wonder if he anything more than a PP specialist? 21 of his 37 points are on the PP. My gut feeling is that its going to take him some time to figure how to create enough space to get his shot off 5v5.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:03 PM

Can Nylander please get his brother to coach him up?



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:39 PM

idk how about a line of Nylander, Asplund, Oloffsson? in Roch anyway

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

Because there are plenty of teams that can use a young, cheap scoring winger and that are also much better teams than the Sabres and, depending on one's perspective, in more desirable cities.

 

It's also pretty ill-advised to depend on a 170-lb rookie who's never played in NA to hold down a top winger spot.

 

 

That is frightening

If this rebuild is ever going to work, we are going to have to turn the team over to our younger players as Colorado finally did.  We can't keep doing the failed TM thing and keep filling our holes with outside talent (or non-talent as the case may be).  Nice thing about Olofsson and Smith is that they are already mature players.  They aren't 19 year old first year pros who played in the CHL against kids, they are (or will be) 23 by next season.  Smith had 3 years against older players in college and until getting hurt was our best forward in Roch. Olofsson has 5 years experience as a pro playing against men in the SHL.  It's not like similar age guys coming from Europe haven't jumped right into the NHL and been successful.   For example, Panarin was 23 when joined the Hawks from Russia.  

 

Lets be honest, can Smith and Olofsson do worse the Girgensons, Griffith, Moulson, ERod, Larsson, Pouliot, and Wilson (and whomever else we had playing LW)?

Pouliot 11-4=15 pts in 52gms

Wilson 3-4=7 pts in 23 games

Erod 3-7=10 pts in 27 games

Moulson 0-0=0pt in 14 games

Larsson 3-6=9pts in 54 games

Griffith 2-1=3pts in 18 games

Girgensons 6-4=10pts in 50 games 

 

These LWs have produced 27 goal 54 pts in 238 games. My guess is they produce at least that much on their own next season.   

 

FYI: I think the Sabres still hold Olofsson's rights



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:28 PM

Well, I don't think anyone is opposed to giving Olofsson and/or Smith shots at the big leagues.  My point is simply that (i) if he's a UFA in a few months (and Hammy could certainly be wrong about that), it's at least 50/50 that he decides to sign elsewhere and (ii) of course it would be great if he were as good as Panarin, but it's much more likely that he's as effective as Antipin.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:12 PM

Well, I don't think anyone is opposed to giving Olofsson and/or Smith shots at the big leagues.  My point is simply that (i) if he's a UFA in a few months (and Hammy could certainly be wrong about that), it's at least 50/50 that he decides to sign elsewhere and (ii) of course it would be great if he were as good as Panarin, but it's much more likely that he's as effective as Antipin.


Defense is so much harder to learn. Playing wing is frankly the easiest adjustment from the AHL or Europe. I’m hoping he is as good as Avridsson’s first full year in the NHL.

Also what are you basing your 50/50 odds on. The only thing I’ve seen or heard was the article on Die By the Blade in December. Nothing in that interview points to him not wanting to be here. We Modo to let us know.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:08 PM

Had a peek at the reserve list. Olofsson walks 6/1/18 if not signed.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:37 PM

Had a peek at the reserve list. Olofsson walks 6/1/18 if not signed.

 

but he can't sign until his season is over?



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

but he can't sign until his season is over?


No, he could sign today if he wanted to, the Sabres pay the SHL the transfer fee ($240k, I think) and he comes over. Dunno why he'd do that though. Makes more sense to get it lined up and sign once his season is over, if he wants to sign.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:35 PM

He only has 7 regular season games left I think.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:09 PM

Yeah, their playoffs are done by the end of April, from what I can tell..

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:58 PM

Well, I don't think anyone is opposed to giving Olofsson and/or Smith shots at the big leagues.  My point is simply that (i) if he's a UFA in a few months (and Hammy could certainly be wrong that), it's at least 50/50 that he decides to sign elsewhere and (ii) of course it would be great if he were as good as Panarin, but it's much more likely that he's as effective as Antipin.


Unlike Borgen, Olofsson sounds enthusiastic about coming to Buffalo and has been consulting regularly with Buffalo scouts.
Not worried about him.

Agree with everything else here.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:22 AM

FWIW at the beginning of the season Ken Campbell of the Hockey News had a Sabres Projected Lineup for 19-20 or the 20-21 Season, CJ Smith was Jack's Winger on the top line

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:31 AM

FWIW at the beginning of the season Ken Campbell of the Hockey News had a Sabres Projected Lineup for 19-20 or the 20-21 Season, CJ Smith was Jack's Winger on the top line


Ken Campbell may be the Senior Writer at THN, but he is also IMHO far & away their worst writer. That take is almost assuredly based on "Buffalo have no good LW other than Kane. Kane leave. Buffalo have no good LW. Smith leading Amerk scorer. Smith #1 W in 2 year." It might happen, but you're better off going w/ what somebody from here is speculating than whatever ol' Kenny is spouting.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:27 AM

Ken Campbell may be the Senior Writer at THN, but he is also IMHO far & away their worst writer. That take is almost assuredly based on "Buffalo have no good LW other than Kane. Kane leave. Buffalo have no good LW. Smith leading Amerk scorer. Smith #1 W in 2 year." It might happen, but you're better off going w/ what somebody from here is speculating than whatever ol' Kenny is spouting.

 

I agree. You can't really list anyone from outside the organization though so he probably just listed Smith there by default. He's got as good a shot as anyone currently in the organization though, at least until Mittelstadt is officially under contract and the 2018 draft happens (at that point we'll hopefully have one of Tkachuk, Svechnikov, or Zadina penciled in there). By that point he'd likely be bumped down a line or two.



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:31 AM

Defense is so much harder to learn. Playing wing is frankly the easiest adjustment from the AHL or Europe. I’m hoping he is as good as Avridsson’s first full year in the NHL.

Also what are you basing your 50/50 odds on. The only thing I’ve seen or heard was the article on Die By the Blade in December. Nothing in that interview points to him not wanting to be here. We Modo to let us know.

 

I'm basing it on the fact that Olofsson can become a UFA in a few months and would then be able to choose from a large number of interested teams, most of which seem objectively like a more attractive situation than the Sabres.

 

Hopefully Mick is correct about his comments and contacts with the Sabres over the years being good indicators that he won't leave.



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Posted Yesterday, 02:56 PM

I was looking at the Amerks stats after the 12-3 win.

Smith is the leading scorer with 39pts in 50 games. Guess who is second? Griffith with 32 pts in 31 games.

Does this mean anything? Is it a hint that Smoth might not be a NHL scoring threat?

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Posted Yesterday, 02:58 PM

I was looking at the Amerks stats after the 12-3 win.
Smith is the leading scorer with 39pts in 50 games. Guess who is second? Griffith with 32 pts in 31 games.
Does this mean anything? Is it a hint that Smoth might not be a NHL scoring threat?


I think it means we have a good team in Rochester, but not necessarily many legit NHL prospects down there.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:18 PM

It means Griffith is a very good AHL player