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#1 Doohickie

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Shouldn't someone start a 2017-2018 prospects thread?


To answer my own question..... yes, and it might as well be me.

Starting with the most recent listing in last year's thread,
 

So who are our top 10 prospects heading into camp and which prospects have a shot at making the team at some point this season?

Top 10
1. Mittelstud
2. Guhle
3. Nylander
4. Asplund
5. Bailey
6. Fasching
7. Baptiste
8. Pu
9. Borgen
10. Davidsson
Others to watch
Smith, and Malone. I think both guys have a shot at making the team or earning a callup. Ullmark, Nelson and Griffith are beyond their ELCs. So I don't list them as "prospects" per se, but I think we'll see all in Buffalo this season. Nelson might one of the biggest beneficiaries of Housley.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 06:22 PM

until Nylander proves otherwise I'm not pencilling him in for anything

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:49 PM

I'd rank Pu above Nylander at this point.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:52 PM

I'd rank Pu above Nylander at this point.

really? You think pu is a better prospect? There are 31 GM's in the league who disagree with you.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:05 AM

until Nylander proves otherwise I'm not pencilling him in for anything

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:03 AM

until Nylander proves otherwise I'm not pencilling him in for anything


It's a prospect list. It's literally filled with players who have proven zilch. It's about potential.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:26 AM

So if I could take Nylander's talent and combine it with Pu's gumption... assume it probably means he has a strong work ethic and fire in the belly... I'd have a helluv a hockey player!

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:34 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again

I love being a turtle

It's a prospect list. It's literally filled with players who have proven zilch. It's about potential.

I'm not pencilling him into the Sabres lineup.

So if I could take Nylander's talent and combine it with Pu's gumption... assume it probably means he has a strong work ethic and fire in the belly... I'd have a helluv a hockey player!

Casey. Mittelstadt.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:10 PM

Question:  Did the Sabres "damage" Nylander's development by playing him in Roch last year?

 

Also if you had to tier our prospects, how would you group them? Here is TSN's Scott Cullen's ranking system:

10 - Generational
9 - Elite Player
8 - First Line, Top Pair D
7 - Top Six Forward, Top Four D
6 - Top Nine Forward, Top Six D
5 - NHL Regular, 350+ NHL games 
4 - Fringe NHLer, 200+ NHL games
3 - Very Good Minor Leaguer, 50-200 NHL games
2 - Minor Leaguer, under 50 NHL games
1 - 10 or fewer NHL games

 

Using this system, I'd tier our guys on potential as follows:

10 - None

9 - Mittelstud

8 - None

7 - Guhle, Nylander and Asplund

6 - Pu, Baptiste, Borgen, Davidson

5 - Bailey, Fasching, Johansson, Karabacek, Fitzgerald, Luukkonen, Hagel, Glotov

4 - Smith, Malone, ERod, Cornel, Bryson, Stephens, 

 

Unknown: Laaksonen



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:11 PM

Question:  Did the Sabres "damage" Nylander's development by playing him in Roch last year?

No. If any damage occurred it's because they were running Dick Disco's system down there

 

Where else was he supposed to play?


Edited by WildCard, 19 September 2017 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:21 PM

No. If any damage occurred it's because they were running Dick Disco's system down there

 

Where else was he supposed to play?

I think Juniors was the best choice in hindsight. 

 

I've got:
Mittelstadt: 7.5 B

Asplund: 6.5 A

Guhle: 6.5 C

Nylander: 7 D

 

The rest: Meh



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:24 PM

No. If any damage occurred it's because they were running Dick Disco's system down there

 

Where else was he supposed to play?

He also was eligible to play in the CHL again or go back to Europe.  I agree that sending him back to Europe wouldn't have been the best plan (although it hasn't hurt Asplund), but maybe dominating in the CHL would have been preferable to getting beat up in the AHL.  


I think Juniors was the best choice in hindsight. 

 

I've got:
Mittelstadt: 7.5 B

Asplund: 6.5 A

Guhle: 6.5 C

Nylander: 7 D

 

The rest: Meh

 

The old Hockeysfuture.com system.  Interesting.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:08 PM

I'll play.

My honest expectation of the level they will end up:
Middlesix - 8 Danny Briere level big play first-liner
Asplund - 7 a well-rounded skilled, competitive second-liner, Peca, Luce
Guhle - 7 a capable two-way mobile second pairing guy, Tallinder
Nylander - 7 a soft offensive second-line scorer/PP specialist, Satan
Fasching - 6 a physical, reliable middle-sixer, Grier
Bailey, Baptiste - 4/5, they might hit 200 games on speed and potential, but won't really make an impact, Rasmussen
ERod, Pu - 4/5 fourth line guys who play on the fringes of NHL rosters, Flynn, Porter

Haven't seen enough of the more recent guys like Davidson and Luukonnen, but no else has shown me reason to expect they will play in the big leagues.

Edited by dudacek, 19 September 2017 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:01 PM

I think Juniors was the best choice in hindsight. 

 

I've got:
Mittelstadt: 7.5 B

Asplund: 6.5 A

Guhle: 6.5 C

Nylander: 7 D

 

The rest: Meh

 

 

He would have torn up the OHL playing with Mcleod and he would be ranked a 9 on all our lists.

 

He played on a terrible Rochester team last season and struggled. When playing against his peers in the WJC he lead the tourney in scoring.

 

I have no reason to believe he wont be Jack's long term LW partner one day.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:42 PM

He would have torn up the OHL playing with Mcleod and he would be ranked a 9 on all our lists.

 

He played on a terrible Rochester team last season and struggled. When playing against his peers in the WJC he lead the tourney in scoring.

 

I have no reason to believe he wont be Jack's long term LW partner one day.

I'm aware of Alex Nylander's story, and that doesn't change my answer



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:45 PM

Interesting Housley is talking about Bailey using his speed to be a puck pressure guy.

Looks like he agrees with Bylsma (and not with Justin) on how his size, speed and hands best translate to the NHL.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:42 AM

Eric Vegoe‏ @evegoe  Sep 21

More#Gophers captain @TSheehy22 said with BTN Wed, I think when @CMittelstadt got here most of us were even more surprised just how good he was

 

Eric Vegoe @evegoe  Sep 21

MoreSheehy on Mittelstadt: He’s got a great mind for the game, just these last couple days we’ve really noticed he’s an unbelievable player

 

Eric Vegoe @evegoe  Sep 19
MoreLucia said players are commenting on Casey Mittelstadt's elite hockey sense and skating ability, and thinks he'll make major impact in NCAA

Edited by ShadowLiger, 23 September 2017 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:51 AM



Eric Vegoe‏ @evegoe Sep 21

More#Gophers captain @TSheehy22 said with BTN Wed, I think when @CMittelstadt got here most of us were even more surprised just how good he was


Eric Vegoe‏ @evegoe Sep 21


MoreSheehy on Mittelstadt: He’s got a great mind for the game, just these last couple days we’ve really noticed he’s an unbelievable player



Eric Vegoe‏ @evegoe Sep 19


MoreLucia said players are commenting on Casey Mittelstadt's elite hockey sense and skating ability, and thinks he'll make major impact in NCAA


Looking forward to following Casey's season. Anyone know when their league starts?

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:00 PM

10/6 against Minn Duluth

If you want to watch him and the Gohpers, get BTN. I record many of the Big Ten Hockey games to see how the prospects are doing.

Dudacek, i just noticed that you don't think Pu has potential upside beyond that of a AAAA or 4th line player.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 02:36 PM

10/6 against Minn Duluth

If you want to watch him and the Gohpers, get BTN. I record many of the Big Ten Hockey games to see how the prospects are doing.

Dudacek, i just noticed that you don't think Pu has potential upside beyond that of a AAAA or 4th line player.


I'm not even sure what station that is or if available up here. Please provide some updates throughout the year if u can.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:43 PM

BTN is the Big Ten Network. Here in Atlanta it's part of the $5 a month sports package with Comcast/Xfinity. It's available on cox, u-verse, directtv, dish, optimum, charter/spectrum and many others. Isn't Charter/Spectrum the main cable comany in Buffalo?

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:56 PM

He lives in Canada.  It may not be avalable.  



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Posted 24 September 2017 - 12:21 AM

http://btn.com/about...-channelfinder/

Here is a link to the providers in Canada. Shaw, Cogeco, Rogers and Eastlink are listed as having BTN.

I know Rogers dominates the Toronto area. Their webpage shows it as a bonus channel for $7 per month.

Edited by GASabresFan, 24 September 2017 - 12:28 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:52 AM

Rasmus Asplund has 2 goals and 2 assists through the first 3 regular season games. From all accounts it sounds like he is playing at a very high level as the #2 Centre on the team. The SHL is a notoriously low scoring league so it has been a nice start for him. After this season he should be ready for the jump to NA.
Cliff Pu picks up 2 assists in his first game back with London.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:04 AM

Victor Olofsson, 1g,1a through 3games with Frolunda (SHL). I believe this is the last year of his SHL contract, so we will know if he will give NA a go by seasons end. 



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:25 AM

Two beauties from Linus Weissbach, including the game-winner, propelled Wisconsin to a 3-2 victory over Michigan Tech #Sabres



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:40 AM

Rasmus Asplund's four-game point streak comes to an end as Färjestad upends Mora 4-1. Asplund (14:22) won 10 of 18 draws (55.6%)

 

Asplund: 3g, 2a, in 5games


Oskari Laaksonen through 12 games (Ilves U20): 1-4-5, 18 PIM, -1, 24:26 avg TOI

 

Laaksonen won't be 19 until July. Will be keeping an eye on David Farrance who the Sabres passed over to take Laaksonen as well. Farrance starts his first year with Boston U. 


Edited by ShadowLiger, 02 October 2017 - 09:40 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:16 AM

Pu off to sh...ty start. 9gms 1g 3a -13

London is 1-8-1 in 10 games.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:36 AM

Asplund: 3g, 3a, 9games +8 in the SHL



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:11 AM

Pu off to sh...ty start. 9gms 1g 3a -13

London is 1-8-1 in 10 games.

This is rather surprising. He had a good camp and is coming off a great season. Wonder what the deal is?

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:16 AM

This is rather surprising. He had a good camp and is coming off a great season. Wonder what the deal is?

 

The team's record is probably the most telling thing right there.  They suck, so he has next to nothing to work with.



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:36 PM

Ive watched a few Knights games and their goalie(s) have been atrocious. both have SV% of less than .900 Actually surprised they are even as high as they are.

 

Mete is on the Canadians, Juolevi sent to Finland to find his game and their #3 Dman  Formenton was just sent back to them this weekend but hasnt played.

 

I wonder if Pu was sent back to London on work on certain instructions from the Sabres that may be detrimental to his statistical performance? Much like Samson was sent to work on his strength a couple of years ago. That being said, Pu still creates a lot of chances and his speed is evident. Not too worried about him.    34 shots and only 1 goal - maybe a snake-bit like many Sabres?


Edited by Crusader1969, 16 October 2017 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:05 PM

Ive watched a few Knights games and their goalie(s) have been atrocious. both have SV% of less than .900 Actually surprised they are even as high as they are.

 

Mete is on the Canadians, Juolevi sent to Finland to find his game and their #3 Dman  Formenton was just sent back to them this weekend but hasnt played.

 

I wonder if Pu was sent back to London on work on certain instructions from the Sabres that may be detrimental to his statistical performance? Much like Samson was sent to work on his strength a couple of years ago. That being said, Pu still creates a lot of chances and his speed is evident. Not too worried about him.    34 shots and only 1 goal - maybe a snake-bit like many Sabres?

 

He has 34 actual SOG (not shots attempted)? That's just a statistical anomaly them, there's no way it'll stay at 3%. (right?)



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 07:55 PM

He has 34 actual SOG (not shots attempted)? That's just a statistical anomaly them, there's no way it'll stay at 3%. (right?)

Not unless he's not an NHL player. 8-10% is pretty average.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:27 PM

http://buffalonews.c...st-cloud-state/

 

I was looking at this list of our prospects and Baker's depth chart and I came away further unimpressed with our pipeline.

 

1) The list of guys who will be NHL players is really small.  Bailey, Mittelstud, Guhle and likely Nylander and Asplund.  Not a long list.  

 

2) The list of guys who have a legit shot: Baptiste and Fasching, Borgen (?), Pu and Davidsson.  Malone might also eventually get a look as an 4th line grinder.  

 

3) Former top 3 rounds picks who we can probably write off already: Karabacek, Cornel, Hurley and Martin.

 

4) Potential surprises: Weissbach and maybe Fitzgerald. College FA CJ Smith is having a good start and might be a useful LW.

 

5) Are goalie prospects are in the ECHL (Johansson) and a tier 2 Finnish league (Luukkonen).    

 

Baker list 34 prospects on his depth chart. 


Edited by GASabresFan, 17 October 2017 - 01:05 AM.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:52 AM

Hagel's got 12 points in 9 games in Red Deer. Speedy left winger, liked him in camp. Would be a good system fit, we'll see if he can amount to something.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:11 AM

Hagel's got 12 points in 9 games in Red Deer. Speedy left winger, liked him in camp. Would be a good system fit, we'll see if he can amount to something.

I forgot about him as a potential long-shot.  Baker has him 3rd on the LW depth behind Nylander and Davidsson.  That said Estephen put up (as is putting up) big numbers in Jrs.  



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:24 AM

I forgot about him as a potential long-shot.  Baker has him 3rd on the LW depth behind Nylander and Davidsson.  That said Estephen put up (as is putting up) big numbers in Jrs.


But the knock on Giorgio was skating. Not so on Hagel. He's quick.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:47 PM

Former Sabres prosepct Brendan Lemieux gets his first call up to the the NHL today.  

Not that I would want to redo that trade...



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:17 PM

Yea our pipeline isn't great. Need a couple drafts of 3