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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:23 AM

Just three more of these left as training camp opens Friday.

People thought Brad Marchand was good player for a DB. But a1st-liner for Team Canada?
Cam Atkinson? Who had him pencilled in for 35 goals?
Who knew Jaccob Slavin or Mark Stone would be that good?

It isn't always dramatic, and it hasn't seemed to happen for the Sabres for awhile.
But players do emerge, silence their doubters and prove they are better than people thought.

Who could be that guy this year for Buffalo?

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:25 AM

Beaulieu and / or Antipin. These guys are going to be a lot better than anyone thinks



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:27 AM

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:29 AM

Bogo.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:29 AM

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:31 AM

Jake McCabe. We all like his game. Phil Housley loved his game when he coached Team USA at the WJC making him team captain. I think he already has a ton of confidence in him. That is going to lead to bigger minutes. I can't wait to see what Phil has in store for Jake.
I like the Bogo answer as well. He would be my second choice.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:31 AM

Your avatar is just too good

I laughed for so long when I first saw it on twitter. It's crazy how one relatively small tweak changes an entire logo.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:33 AM

Maybe the last Sabre who surprised at a high level was...Pommer!

 

Or McCabe.  He didn't quite come out of nowhere though.

 

Connolly certainly surprised in '05-'06, but that was more of resurrection of a well-known blue-chipper.

 

It doesn't seem like there's room for a surprise at D.  There is certainly room at F.  I don't think Fasching, Bailey or Baptiste grabbing a spot and producing would be a huge surprise, unless that player had a really big season. 

 

Maybe Rodrigues or CJ Smith?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:45 AM

I don't really see any surprises on the plus side.

 

Lehner could surprise us the wrong way, though.  Hope I'm wrong.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:45 AM

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:48 AM

Last few years it seems we have had negative surprises for players we thought were good that fell off the cliff. Here's hoping that this year the changes in staff and players will allow the guys we will rely on to play consistently.

 

That and Sam Reinhart at Center will blow all of your minds. 3rd line scoring will be the surprise.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:50 AM

How about this? 

Jack Eichel



Listen, we know he's good right?

But what if he is just that much better? What if he is downright dominant? 



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:56 AM

How about this? 

Jack Eichel



Listen, we know he's good right?

But what if he is just that much better? What if he is downright dominant? 

I think you mean healthy. He was pretty dominant when he played.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:02 AM

Jake McCabe. We all like his game. Phil Housley loved his game when he coached Team USA at the WJC making him team captain. I think he already has a ton of confidence in him. That is going to lead to bigger minutes. I can't wait to see what Phil has in store for Jake.I like the Bogo answer as well. He would be my second choice.


I think this is a perceptive, under-the-radar choice.
It's a guy who wants it, who has been ahead of the curve so far, and who no one expects to be better than he has been.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:05 AM

Moulson.

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:06 AM

:D



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:06 AM

I think you mean healthy. He was pretty dominant when he played.

I disagree. He took a lot of heat last year for games where he looked disinterested or didn't do much. He produced and had some real WOW moments, but I think if he comes out this year and just blows the doors off night in and night out, that would be a big surprise and would make Jack the legitimate star we all want him to be. 



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:43 AM

I disagree. He took a lot of heat last year for games where he looked disinterested or didn't do much. He produced and had some real WOW moments, but I think if he comes out this year and just blows the doors off night in and night out, that would be a big surprise and would make Jack the legitimate star we all want him to be. 

So if I understand correctly, you are thinking that Jack will produce at more than the nearly point per game pace he did last year?

 

Or are you more focused on his perceived shift to shift interest level? i.e. that he looks more like a dominant player and relies less on his spurts of efforts within games to generate points. IMO it is an impossible standard for a player to go all out every shift and make it through an 82 game season, especially one of Jack's talent level.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:46 AM

So if I understand correctly, you are thinking that Jack will produce at more than the nearly point per game pace he did last year?

 

Or are you more focused on his perceived shift to shift interest level? i.e. that he looks more like a dominant player and relies less on his spurts of efforts within games to generate points. IMO it is an impossible standard for a player to go all out every shift and make it through an 82 game season, especially one of Jack's talent level.

I'm thinking more about puck control and game flow. He could really impact the game more and never accumulate another point on the score sheet to show for it. But you'd see it in how the rest of the team puts up points, controls the zone, etc., when they're with him on the ice. 



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:58 AM

Beaulieu and / or Antipin. These guys are going to be a lot better than anyone thinks

I agree with him. I think he will push to make a difference. 

 

So many forwards to consider. So much competition that I will just predict one of Bailey, Fascing, Basptist, Smith, Rodriguez or someone else will emerge as an above average NHL player. 



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

I disagree. He took a lot of heat last year for games where he looked disinterested or didn't do much. He produced and had some real WOW moments, but I think if he comes out this year and just blows the doors off night in and night out, that would be a big surprise and would make Jack the legitimate star we all want him to be. 

I think that was his rookie year, not last year. I don't recall the chatter being nearly as loud last year about this, or really there at all



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:08 AM

I'm thinking more about puck control and game flow. He could really impact the game more and never accumulate another point on the score sheet to show for it. But you'd see it in how the rest of the team puts up points, controls the zone, etc., when they're with him on the ice. 

Gotcha. I am hoping with a more aggressive system and better puck support from the team jack won't feel like he needs to do everything himself. If he can utilize his teammates more we can look more dangerous as a team. This would make him look more engaged throughout instead of picking his spots to carry the team himself.


I think that was his rookie year, not last year. I don't recall the chatter being nearly as loud last year about this, or really there at all

Dark has 32,000 posts. He cant be wrong :nana:

 

We need to band together like Voltron to defeat him. With our posts combined...


Edited by Touched by Boyes, 13 September 2017 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:15 AM

I think that was his rookie year, not last year. I don't recall the chatter being nearly as loud last year about this, or really there at all


It was there, and on this forum to boot.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:18 AM

Gotcha. I am hoping with a more aggressive system and better puck support from the team jack won't feel like he needs to do everything himself. If he can utilize his teammates more we can look more dangerous as a team. This would make him look more engaged throughout instead of picking his spots to carry the team himself.


Dark has 32,000 posts. He cant be wrong :nana:

 

We need to band together like Voltron to defeat him. With our posts combined...

I'm slowly catching him. It's depressing :lol:

 

It was there, and on this forum to boot.

Huh, guess I just don't remember it



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:46 AM

I came in to say that if the answer was Jake McCabe, it would go a long way towards helping us win. He's already an okay second pairing option, but if he could surprise us we could have an NHL-legitimate top 3 D and depth pieces like Beaulieu and them. 

 

How about, 
 

Evan Rodrigues as a legitimate NHL third liner. He's an intelligent guy with very few physical attributes that stand out, but maybe he surprises in a role similar to that which Paul Byron grabbed in Montreal. 



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:57 AM

Baloo, cuz everyone said Samson

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:01 PM

Reinhart if he gets a real shot at Centre.
Antipin is my second choice, he'll probably be a defensive liability but he could be the perfect fit for Phil's D vision.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

I think the guy who's going to really stand out and outperform his peer is Chad Johnson.     

 

This could become an issue as I'm not sure how well Lehner would react to starting the season as the backup.    



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

I don't really see any surprises on the plus side.

 

Lehner could surprise us the wrong way, though.  Hope I'm wrong.

Yikes that sure is negative! I actually think this may be better year then we think (and I really hope lehner is a #1 cause we need that badly). After such a bad year last season most every player is due to improve.  The leafs had just about everybody play over their heads and got crazy stuff out of their roster and maybe for once we can actually have players excel and play well under Howie


Edited by Sabre fan, 13 September 2017 - 01:33 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:34 PM

I hope it's somebody, anybody. I'm desperate to see some success on this team from anybody not named Eichel so uh...I'll take whatever I can get.

 

Is there any way Kane or Okposo can surprise? What kind of numbers would they have to put up to surprise people in a positive way? What about Pomenstein?

 

In all likelihood the surprise should come from a younger guy or on the defense and if I were to bet it'd be Antipin.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:34 PM

Josefson, will have a surprising chemistry with Eichel.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:40 PM

Josefson, will have a surprising chemistry with Eichel.

Like when they go out to dinner in a rom com sort of way?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:44 PM

I think the guy who's going to really stand out and outperform his peer is Chad Johnson.     
 
This could become an issue as I'm not sure how well Lehner would react to starting the season as the backup.


I think this is more a commentary on Robin than Chad, but you know Chad was pretty bad for the Flames last year, right?
Given his shot to be number one and failed.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:58 PM

I think the guy who's going to really stand out and outperform his peer is Chad Johnson.     

 

This could become an issue as I'm not sure how well Lehner would react to starting the season as the backup.    

 

That could be Housley's first crisis:  If The Big Johnson is playing as well or better than Lehner, how does Housley manage that?  Can he platoon them 50-50 (three starts for one, three starts for the other kind of thing)? 


I think this is more a commentary on Robin than Chad, but you know Chad was pretty bad for the Flames last year, right?
Given his shot to be number one and failed.

 

Then maybe backup with 25-30 starts is the right spot for him.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:04 PM

I'm going with Johan Larsson.

 

 

No reason.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:10 PM

Like when they go out to dinner in a rom com sort of way?

bwahaha

 

my thoughts exactly. If Josefson is on the ice with Eichel we are in big trouble.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:24 PM

I'm going with Johan Larsson.

 

 

No reason.

Probably because 75% of the board has written him off.  I could see him surprising ppl.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:32 PM

Like when they go out to dinner in a rom com sort of way?

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:34 PM

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:43 PM

Probably because 75% of the board has written him off.  I could see him surprising ppl.

 

Wrote him off or just plain forgot about him. I definitely had moments this summer where I forgot about him.

 

Larsson will be an interesting player to keep an eye on this year. Two seasons ago everybody seemed to love the 3rd line of him centering Foligno and Gionta. Is he the 4th line center on this team? My memory is fuzzy on this but I recall he was upset with Nolan who had him on the 4th line. Will he have that attitude on that line or has he matured and knows the role he needs to play on the team?

 

I'm also curious whose on his line this year? Does Housley replicate a line similar to what he was playing on before? Girgensons - Larsson - Pomenville? Fasching - Larsson - Pomenville? Will he play wing somewhere?