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#41 qwksndmonster

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:27 AM

"Pre-Bylsma" should be "Pre-Eichel and O'Reilly".    His drop in production had less to do with the head coach, and more to do with better players ahead of him. 

 

Zemgus was the first line C in 2014-15, he played the power play, etc.. and saw over 19min/gm of ice time playing with the top offense players.   He averaged 0.5 ppg that season.   

 

Under Bylsma he was relegated to 3rd line minutes (which is where his skill set belongs IMO).    His time on the PP dropped because of ROR, Eichel, Reinhart, Kane, Okposo, etc..  NOT because of Bylsma.

 

Zemgus has the skillset to play 4th line minutes on a contender, maybe 3rd line.    

 

To blame Bylsma for his drop off in production is a joke.

Why not both? Zemgus scored less because he got less playing time, and also because the coach was trying to coach with 17 whiteboards.  I think Zemgus is a guy that plays with his instincts, and Bylsma was crushing his hockey soul.



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 11:28 AM

Why not both? Zemgus scored less because he got less playing time, and also because the coach was trying to coach with 17 whiteboards. I think Zemgus is a guy that plays with his instincts, and Bylsma was crushing his hockey soul.

Along with everyone else's too

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 01:49 PM

Who says Jbot signed him to be the 3rd or 4th line center?
 
I think Jbot signed him to be a utility forward and likely 3rd line LW.   Z has speed, size, some physical aspects to his game and can score in the right circumstances.  This would then place Josefson and his near 52% FOW% as the 4th line center and 2nd PK center.  
 
Kane Eichel Okposo
Pouliot ROR Reinhart
Girgensons Larsson Pominville
Moulson Josefson Fasching?
 
Not my 1st choice for the lineup (I'd like Reinhart as 3rd center), but this seems the direction Jbot is going.


I suspect we'll see something like this as well.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:49 PM

Well I don't see that line up at all. No identity to those line combos.

 

Eichel needs speed and offensive skill with him to play to his full potential. Eichel's a shooter first. He is Hull, he needs his Oates. We don't really have that guy but I'd match him with the best speed we have until we get that guy. Try Pominville and Nylander, probably won't work (one too old, one too young and soft) so you end up with Kane and Reinhart for now. 

 

Okposo, if he is healthy now (?), with ROR and ???

 

Pouliot, Girgensens, and ? Rodrigues/Pominville might make a good 3rd line

 

Deslaurier, Larsson, Fasching might be an interesting 4th. Gonna miss Foligno for that line but I'm sure we will find an equivalent eventually but that line has to have grit and more toughness.

 

 

So many holes its hard to make a real line up. Just hoping some young guys will step up.

 

Bottom line, if Moulson makes the starting line up you can kiss the season goodbye.  



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:01 PM

I would not be opposed to trying Zemgus with Jack as the grit guy and then give Jack another player with speed who can score. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:09 PM

I would not be opposed to trying Zemgus with Jack as the grit guy and then give Jack another player with speed who can score.


Zemgus can score?

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:27 PM

Zemgus can score? 

 

and then give Jack another player with speed who can score. So that would be someone else while Zemgus would be doing the dirty work for Jack and the goal scorer.

 

And to be clear I am not stating this needs to be in stone. But I wouldn't mind seeing it for a bit while Housley is looking for lines and players with chemistry.


Edited by jeffismagic, 20 August 2017 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:45 PM

Zemgus will be among the most interesting Sabres to watch this year.

JBot talked a lot about putting puck hounds out there to complement his top talent.
The skating ability and tenacity that made Z a first rounder is still there. He can play defence. He's scored some pretty goals.
Remember when we thought he was going to be a core guy? He's only 23.

My pick for most surprising Sabre this year, likely as a top six left wing.
Like others, I like him with Jack. But why not with O'Reilly on the line that matches up against other team's best?

Edited by dudacek, 20 August 2017 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:11 PM

Zemgus will be among the most interesting Sabres to watch this year.

JBot talked a lot about putting puck hounds out there to complement his top talent.
The skating ability and tenacity that made Z a first rounder is still there. He can play defence. He's scored some pretty goals.
Remember when we thought he was going to be a core guy? He's only 23.

My pick for most surprising Sabre this year, likely as a top six left wing.
Like others, I like him with Jack. But why not with O'Reilly on the line that matches up against other team's best?


That would be a huge win if Z took another step.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:12 PM

and then give Jack another player with speed who can score. So that would be someone else while Zemgus would be doing the dirty work for Jack and the goal scorer.

And to be clear I am not stating this needs to be in stone. But I wouldn't mind seeing it for a bit while Housley is looking for lines and players with chemistry.


Hence the question mark.

But just the same I'd keep zemgus as far away from anyone of value as possible, as I'm in the camp where he has no skill.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:46 PM

Well I don't see that line up at all. No identity to those line combos.
 
Eichel needs speed and offensive skill with him to play to his full potential. Eichel's a shooter first. He is Hull, he needs his Oates. We don't really have that guy but I'd match him with the best speed we have until we get that guy. Try Pominville and Nylander, probably won't work (one too old, one too young and soft) so you end up with Kane and Reinhart for now. 
 
Okposo, if he is healthy now (?), with ROR and ???
 
Pouliot, Girgensens, and ? Rodrigues/Pominville might make a good 3rd line
 
Deslaurier, Larsson, Fasching might be an interesting 4th. Gonna miss Foligno for that line but I'm sure we will find an equivalent eventually but that line has to have grit and more toughness.
 
 
So many holes its hard to make a real line up. Just hoping some young guys will step up.
 
Bottom line, if Moulson makes the starting line up you can kiss the season goodbye.

Eichel is a pass first player. He shoots when he is on his own or ahead of the play.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:47 PM

I would not be opposed to trying Zemgus with Jack as the grit guy and then give Jack another player with speed who can score.


brutal

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:24 AM

Eichel is a pass first player. He shoots when he is on his own or ahead of the play.


Yup.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:41 PM

Guess he is always ahead of the play.



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:09 PM

Eichel is a pass first player. He shoots when he is on his own or ahead of the play.

######, he had 249 shots in 61 games last year.

O'Reilly, 189 in more games.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:35 PM

Guess he is always ahead of the play.


He usually is. Especially in transition. At ES he defers to his teammates more than he should.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:54 AM

######, he had 249 shots in 61 games last year.
O'Reilly, 189 in more games.


He's definitely not opposed to pulling the trigger if the passing lane isn't there.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 01:46 AM

Nobody to pass to. Best shot on the team though imo.  



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 02:52 PM

Nobody to pass to. Best shot on the team though imo.


Agree. It's elite level playmaking, combined with a top notch shot.