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#41 pi2000

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

Netflix was paying a large sum for Disney content, and passing that cost on to their customers.    Without that cost, Netflix should drop their fees, but likely won't because they don't have to.

 

They won't begin removing content until 2020.

 

"U.S. Netflix members will have access to Disney films on the service through the end of 2019, including all new films that are shown theatrically through the end of 2018.'

 

I like what Disney is doing, they want control over the distribution of their own content.    It's what they should've done to begin with (like HBO), they just needed to catch up technically.  

 

Personally, my kids are getting older and don't care to watch Disney stuff on Netflix anyway, so why should I have to pay Netflix for that content (indirectly) if I don't watch it? 



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:16 PM

Netflix was paying a large sum for Disney content, and passing that cost on to their customers.    Without that cost, Netflix should drop their fees, but likely won't because they don't have to.

 

They won't begin removing content until 2020.

 

"U.S. Netflix members will have access to Disney films on the service through the end of 2019, including all new films that are shown theatrically through the end of 2018.'

 

I like what Disney is doing, they want control over the distribution of their own content.    It's what they should've done to begin with (like HBO), they just needed to catch up technically.  

 

Personally, my kids are getting older and don't care to watch Disney stuff on Netflix anyway, so why should I have to pay Netflix for that content (indirectly) if I don't watch it? 

 

No one is forcing you to pay. Netflix has lists of their available content as well as the price they charge for it, plus they offer a free trial. If you don't feel like it's worth it, then cancel your service. I'd venture it's nearly impossible to watch everything in their streaming library so everyone is paying some for some stuff they are watching and some for stuff they don't watch.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:21 PM

Let's not confuse "change" with "progress", the two words have very different meanings.

 

As for Boomers vs. Millenials, I am neither, but suffice it to say I'll take the "get off my lawn" guy over the teet sucking spoiled rotten millenial all day, any day.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:25 PM

No one is forcing you to pay. Netflix has lists of their available content as well as the price they charge for it, plus they offer a free trial. If you don't feel like it's worth it, then cancel your service. I'd venture it's nearly impossible to watch everything in their streaming library so everyone is paying some for some stuff they are watching and some for stuff they don't watch.

 

 

So what's the difference between what Netflix is doing and a Cable company who charges you for channels you never watch?   

 

Netflix is charging me for Disney content and I have no choice to opt-out of Disney programming and reduce my monthly fee.  



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:45 PM

So what's the difference between what Netflix is doing and a Cable company who charges you for channels you never watch?   

 

Netflix is charging me for Disney content and I have no choice to opt-out of Disney programming and reduce my monthly fee.  

 

Nothing except the fact that the price I pay to Netflix doesn't go up every year the way cable and satellite seems to. The only time the price of Netflix has changed (for me at least) is when I adjusted my plan to stream up to 4 devices simultaneously. The only difference is they offer a far better value.

 

Even under an a la carte system, you're still paying for content you don't watch. HBO is a good example. Some people pay for HBO to watch Game of Thrones or re-runs of the Sopranos and they may never watch other programs available like Six Feet Under, various Stand Up Comedy specials, or shows like Curb Your Enthusiasm. If you think it's worth the price you'll continue to pay and if you don't think it's worth it, you'll cancel service.


Just because Netflix won't be paying for Disney content soon doesn't mean they'll drop their prices. They'll likely use those funds to purchase other content or (even more likely) use it to fund more original content (some that you may watch, some that will be targeted to a different demographic).



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:58 PM

Nothing except the fact that the price I pay to Netflix doesn't go up every year the way cable and satellite seems to. The only time the price of Netflix has changed (for me at least) is when I adjusted my plan to stream up to 4 devices simultaneously. The only difference is they offer a far better value.

 

Even under an a la carte system, you're still paying for content you don't watch. HBO is a good example. Some people pay for HBO to watch Game of Thrones or re-runs of the Sopranos and they may never watch other programs available like Six Feet Under, various Stand Up Comedy specials, or shows like Curb Your Enthusiasm. If you think it's worth the price you'll continue to pay and if you don't think it's worth it, you'll cancel service.


Just because Netflix won't be paying for Disney content soon doesn't mean they'll drop their prices. They'll likely use those funds to purchase other content or (even more likely) use it to fund more original content (some that you may watch, some that will be targeted to a different demographic).

 

In this case, there appear to be a lot of folks upset with Disney...  I just don't see it that way.    Having more choices (choosing what to pay for) is generally a good thing for consumers.  

 

Netflix is evolving into a content company vs a distribution company.     Content owners are becoming technically savvy enough to distribute their own content, they won't need a Netflix.

 

Netflix saw this coming years ago and were smart to start producing their own content, otherwise they would quickly become irrelevant.  



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

In this case, there appear to be a lot of folks upset with Disney...  I just don't see it that way.    Having more choices (choosing what to pay for) is generally a good thing for consumers.  

 

Netflix is evolving into a content company vs a distribution company.     Content owners are becoming technically savvy enough to distribute their own content, they won't need a Netflix.

 

Netflix saw this coming years ago and were smart to start producing their own content, otherwise they would quickly become irrelevant.  

 

Just like they saw the death of DVD rental stores, and ultimately even DVD rental by mail, years before those happened.

 

Blockbuster's former board of directors and CEO must really live in agony every day.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:01 PM

So what's the difference between what Netflix is doing and a Cable company who charges you for channels you never watch?   

 

Netflix is charging me for Disney content and I have no choice to opt-out of Disney programming and reduce my monthly fee.  

This is backwords thinking (not unlike the healthcare debate). The only reson you pay so little to watch only the shows you care about, is because others are pooling their money with you to watch shows that only they care about. If you don't like it now, you could always get out of the pool and pay for you content individually (buying the DVDs or pay per view) and see how expensive it is.


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:10 PM

Just like they saw the death of DVD rental stores, and ultimately even DVD rental by mail, years before those happened.

 

Blockbuster's former board of directors and CEO must really live in agony every day.

 

They still offer their dvd's through the mail. I know because I still subscribe to it. Their DVD library is massive and far surpasses everything available for streaming. Although I mostly only use it to rip copies of shows that I was previously burning to DVD before streaming became the new thing.


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:19 PM

They still offer their dvd's through the mail. I know because I still subscribe to it. Their DVD library is massive and far surpasses everything available for streaming. Although I mostly only use it to rip copies of shows that I was previously burning to DVD before streaming became the new thing.

 

Yes, they definitely still do mail.  But I'll bet that streaming is the overwhelming majority of revenue now.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 01:56 PM

Yes, they definitely still do mail.  But I'll bet that streaming is the overwhelming majority of revenue now.

 

Without a doubt. I read some article a while back that said there were still something like 4 million dvd customers. I imagine the stream base is easily more than 10 times that, even when you factor in account sharing.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:14 PM

Just like they saw the death of DVD rental stores, and ultimately even DVD rental by mail, years before those happened.
 
Blockbuster's former board of directors and CEO must really live in agony every day.


I usually get gas at a station that has two Redbox units outside. I always see people at those units while I'm filling up so DVD rental is still alive.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:16 PM

Sabre Games can be streamed on the MSG Go App with Verizon Fios. If you know someone who has Fios in WNY, make friends with them.


Well, you just saved me $100 on NHL.tv :beer:

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:17 PM

Doesn't Netflix have over a billion dollars in debt?

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:28 PM

Doesn't Netflix have over a billion dollars in debt?

 

$20 billion according to this article.

 

http://observer.com/...n-info-details/



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 02:28 PM

Doesn't Netflix have over a billion dollars in debt?

 

yes, well over a billion, mostly on content production



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 04:17 PM

I pay for DirectV just so I can watch the Sabres games. I watch the Bills in my shop over a an antennae and feel I pay for it in the endless erectile disfunction and beer ads I am forced to watch. When a game is on the NFL Network I head out to watch with friends. My wife watches Game of Thrones on HBO. We spend over 1300 dolars a year on this and everything else we watch on Netflix and Amazon Prime which have their own fees.

 

With the Disney News yesterday it's clear a streaming world is the future. I want to pay to watch legally, but not 1200 dollars legally. I am sure it has been said that Center Ice blacks out local games and I am not interested in IP spoofing. I own a software company and understand rights. So does anyone know of a legal way and or have knowledge of anything coming anytime soon that would resolve this?

I think our best bet is going to be https://tv.youtube.com/if it ever gets to us.  https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/23/youtube-tv-expands-to-10-more-u-s-markets-adds-more-youtube-red-series/

 

For Sabres, I did pretty well last year with reddit links or my friend's NBC login when it was an NBCsports game. I sleep at night by paying for Center Ice despite the Sabres block.  And then I get to watch some Edmonton, and when on the road for work the Sabres games are a bonus.  We are OTA + Youtube Red + Netflix.  So $40 / month there.  Then I added turbo TWC given all the streaming  (2 adults 3 teens) so another $80-ish there.  Anyways I'd fork over $300-$500 a year to MSG directly without hesitation. I just can't justify $1200 per year for cable tv full of crap we don't watch.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 06:06 PM

I think our best bet is going to be https://tv.youtube.com/if it ever gets to us.  https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/23/youtube-tv-expands-to-10-more-u-s-markets-adds-more-youtube-red-series/

 

For Sabres, I did pretty well last year with reddit links or my friend's NBC login when it was an NBCsports game. I sleep at night by paying for Center Ice despite the Sabres block.  And then I get to watch some Edmonton, and when on the road for work the Sabres games are a bonus.  We are OTA + Youtube Red + Netflix.  So $40 / month there.  Then I added turbo TWC given all the streaming  (2 adults 3 teens) so another $80-ish there.  Anyways I'd fork over $300-$500 a year to MSG directly without hesitation. I just can't justify $1200 per year for cable tv full of crap we don't watch.

 

When the season starts Imma be PMing you.  I was relying on reddit links for most of the last few years and then last year it all kinda went to hell and what was left was popup heavy, ad heavy, slow my stuff down links that weren't worth my effort.  Maybe I wasn't aware of a better source there?



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 06:08 PM

When the season starts Imma be PMing you.  I was relying on reddit links for most of the last few years and then last year it all kinda went to hell and what was left was popup heavy, ad heavy, slow my stuff down links that weren't worth my effort.  Maybe I wasn't aware of a better source there?

Same, provided I have the time to watch the team guilt-free.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 07:47 PM

I'll be very happy once MSG can be streamed without a tv provider account. Until then I'm stuck with directv.

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 07:58 PM

When the season starts Imma be PMing you.  I was relying on reddit links for most of the last few years and then last year it all kinda went to hell and what was left was popup heavy, ad heavy, slow my stuff down links that weren't worth my effort.  Maybe I wasn't aware of a better source there?

I hear ya.  Some youtube guys were delivering consistently, the best one tweeted this week "see you all in oct!".



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 08:03 PM

I hear ya.  Some youtube guys were delivering consistently, the best one tweeted this week "see you all in oct!".

 

Izzat the guy with the facebook group?  Good streams but rarely showed the Sabres.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 11:12 PM

I don't understand the hostility towards Netflix. It's about the best deal going right now. For the price and what they have to offer, the bang for the buck factor is tenfold over cable (I have both). Hell, they could double their subscription fee and it would still be a deal. 



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 02:31 AM

I like Netflix and Amazon instant video. But I'm also paying at&t $3700 a year for my phones and DirecTV. So I'm not one to talk to about deals.

I don't even have any packages or premium channels.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 09:11 AM

I like Netflix and Amazon instant video. But I'm also paying at&t $3700 a year for my phones and DirecTV. So I'm not one to talk to about deals.

I don't even have any packages or premium channels.

 

You need to threaten to cancel to get some sort of discount or deal. You should also work out some deals with some friends or family members. My girlfriend pays for Amazon Prime so we get to stream their stuff without it coming out of my pocket. I pay $21.38 each month to Netflix for 4 simultaneous streams and 1 dvd at a time that I share with various family. My older brother pays $11.99 (I think) for the Hulu with no commercials and we all share that. My Dad pays for HBO and Showtime through his Time Warner/Spectrum that I use through the Roku. Despite that I still pay for Directv but with threatening to cancel I'm paying around $79 per month with no premium channels, but I do have the whole home DVR, HD, and multiple boxes.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 08:59 PM

This has nothing to do with millennials.  Plenty of people have been sick of cable's all-or-nothing approach for a long, long time.  Cord-cutting is at an all-time high and continues to accelerate.  Companies like Disney are forced to adapt to the market's desires.

 

 

It does.  The general capacity of the millenial to understand a culture where on-demand does not exist just isn't there.  They've grown up in the digital age where everything can be streamed and where 8pm on a Thursday is not when a TV show HAS to be watched but when it COULD be watched.

 

Every generation faces this; just relax.

 

And the media was just as harsh on Gen Xers 20 years ago as it is on millennials now.  It's all just so stupid.

 

No generation before this faced this issue.  It's a new world.  The CD might have put a crimp in tapes and vinyl but the digital age changed everything.

 

Doesn't Netflix have over a billion dollars in debt?

 

Yea.. lots.. all on making content and I am sure they will make money in the end.  



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Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:13 AM

Sabre Games can be streamed on the MSG Go App with Verizon Fios. If you know someone who has Fios in WNY, make friends with them.

 

Thanks for getting my hopes up, jerk! :)  The FAQ keeps on talking about FIOS tv provider, so if you only have FIOS internet you're not getting anything. To sum up, if you have FIOS TV, you can use the app. It sounds like that might work outside the Buffalo area, too.