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#281 ct fab

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:00 PM

Oh God, Binghamton and Newark, can't get any worse than that. No really
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#282 ShadowLiger

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:06 PM

People always ask me about Will Butcher, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Will Butcher. I know everything about Will Butcher, he's going to be huge. I love Will Butcher. No one loves Will Butcher more than me, BELIEVE ME. We're going to have so many Will Butchers you are going to get sick of Will Butcher.

Lol I see what you did. Well played.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:35 PM

Regarding Dumoulin vs Butcher, this is what I have

 

http://45b.us/hockey...009&pick=123,51

 

And it's true, Butcher gets a big deduction for being 5'9 1/2 at age 17 (that's what I have anyway), so I created a new chart called 2flat, everyone's size doesn't matter, so there's no deduction for Butcher's size

 

http://45b.us/hockey...009&pick=123,51

 

He's still well behind Dumoulin using my charts.



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 08:07 PM

The New Jersey Devils have signed defenseman Will Butcher to a two-year, entry-level contract that will pay him an annual average of $925,000 per year, the team announced on Sunday.

 
https://www.fanragsp...er-2-year-deal/



#285 North Buffalo

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:11 PM

Well that took up a few days, back to a boring 5 weeks.... oh wait training camp and that junior tournament is just around the corner... finally.



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:29 PM

Thus needed a new thread? :lol:


Apologies ink. I should have consulted you before I posted the thread.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:39 PM

Apologies ink. I should have consulted you before I posted the thread.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 11:56 PM

Well that took up a few days, back to a boring 5 weeks.... oh wait training camp and that junior tournament is just around the corner... finally.


And guess who's coming to town for the prospects tournament?

Yep.

Will. Butcher.

People always ask me about Will Butcher, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Will Butcher. I know everything about Will Butcher. I love Will Butcher. No one loves Will Butcher more than me, BELIEVE ME. We're going to have so many Will Butchers you are going to get sick of Will Butcher.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 12:23 AM

People always ask me about Will Butcher, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about Will Butcher. I know everything about Will Butcher, he's going to be huge. I love Will Butcher. No one loves Will Butcher more than me, BELIEVE ME. We're going to have so many Will Butchers you are going to get sick of Will Butcher.

#fake news #dishonest media #lock em up



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 01:39 AM

Hey Will, can we get our hockey bag back, at least?

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 05:45 AM

Good luck to the prima donna 5'9 defenseman.


Edited by Marvelo, 28 August 2017 - 06:00 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:36 AM

NJ are so awful that he will be their best d-man...we are suddenly blessed with a wealth of good defensemen so it probably was his best move...truth is we do not need him at this point...Guhle is way ahead of this guy in terms of talent and potential



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:09 AM

@BDubi17
The college free agency situation in the @NHL needs to be figured out...it's a joke especially to the guys that play major junior
 
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I bet teams that make the draft pick would agree with me as well!
 
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Let me clarify...I want players to have all options they can when they sign a contract major junior players can't and it's not fair thats it
 
 
That's Brandon Dubinsky's official twitter account 

Edited by WildCard, 28 August 2017 - 09:09 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:16 AM

Here's the thing... Major Junior Guys only play 2-3 years more of major junior before they either get a deal and move to the AHL/NHL or they stop playing hockey. College guys have to play 4 years. 

 

I think the rule should be changed. You go 4 years and won't sign with your team, fine. You are eligible for UFA status 1 year later on July 1. Make them sit a year, no AHL either. 



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:34 AM

I believe, for the NHL, it's not a 'fairness to the teams' issue, it's a 13th amendment issue (yeah, I'm going to make you look it up).  The NHL has something that seems to be settled law, therefore they have no interest in giving the opportunity to have to defend a rule in court that they currently do need to defend.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:37 AM

 

@BDubi17
The college free agency situation in the @NHL needs to be figured out...it's a joke especially to the guys that play major junior
 
@BDubi17
I bet teams that make the draft pick would agree with me as well!
 
@BDubi17
Let me clarify...I want players to have all options they can when they sign a contract major junior players can't and it's not fair thats it
 
 
That's Brandon Dubinsky's official twitter account 

 

 

College guy goes 4 years after becoming draft eligible and he's a free agent.

Major junior guy goes 4 years after becoming draft eligible and he's a free agent.

 

That's exactly the same.  The only difference is that the major junior guy can re-enter the draft after two years while the college guy cannot.  The only thing he could possibly be getting at with those comments is the AHL restriction.  If he's got an issue with that, it's time to talk to the CHL about it.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 12:50 PM

@BDubi17
The college free agency situation in the @NHL needs to be figured out...it's a joke especially to the guys that play major junior
 

@BDubi17
I bet teams that make the draft pick would agree with me as well!
 

@BDubi17
Let me clarify...I want players to have all options they can when they sign a contract major junior players can't and it's not fair thats it

 
 
That's Brandon Dubinsky's official twitter account


This is an example of why the NHLPA never stands a chance come CBA negotiation time. Union members arguing (in favor of management) against the bargained for rights of others. The real question here is why should kids from Junior have to go back in the draft?

Of course, fixing that would require work.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 02:22 PM

College guy goes 4 years after becoming draft eligible and he's a free agent.

Major junior guy goes 4 years after becoming draft eligible and he's a free agent.

 

That's exactly the same.  The only difference is that the major junior guy can re-enter the draft after two years while the college guy cannot.  The only thing he could possibly be getting at with those comments is the AHL restriction.  If he's got an issue with that, it's time to talk to the CHL about it.

Difference is the junior guy most likely wasn't going to get picked up by original drafting team while the College guy has a choice. You don't like the team that picked you, you enter this years draft again. 



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 02:56 PM

Difference is the junior guy most likely wasn't going to get picked up by original drafting team while the College guy has a choice. You don't like the team that picked you, you enter this years draft again. 

 

Sorry, but I'm not clear on what you're saying here.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 03:01 PM

Sorry, but I'm not clear on what you're saying here.

 

I think: if you're drafted out of CHL and refuse to sign with your drafting team in two years, I think you end up back in the draft. Repeat that for another two years, and you can't go back into the draft at 22-ish, so you're UFA? Same effect I guess (UFA at 22-ish) but I don't know if I've heard of it happening. Unless you count Lindros' ultimatum or the Lemiuex in Winnipeg's system that said he'd not sign with Buffalo.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 04:05 PM

I think: if you're drafted out of CHL and refuse to sign with your drafting team in two years, I think you end up back in the draft. Repeat that for another two years, and you can't go back into the draft at 22-ish, so you're UFA? Same effect I guess (UFA at 22-ish) but I don't know if I've heard of it happening. Unless you count Lindros' ultimatum or the Lemiuex in Winnipeg's system that said he'd not sign with Buffalo.

 

I can't think of any high profile cases where someone refused to sign and wound up back in the draft.  It happens plenty of times with guys the teams aren't interested in signing though.  But anyway, if what you're saying was jsb's point, that's exactly what I said above.  Both players wind up as free agents after 4 years, but the CHL guy re-enters the draft after 2.  So he actually winds up with slightly more say in the matter than the college guy.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:48 PM

IMO he should cherish that Hobey Baker. May well be the only thing he ever wins.
Is it the player that gets us to pine away? The unfettered hope that this guy or the next is part of the Cup team? TBO I didn't know very much about him so I looked into him a bit. Meh. Good for NJ.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:11 PM

IMO he should cherish that Hobey Baker. May well be the only thing he ever wins.
Is it the player that gets us to pine away? The unfettered hope that this guy or the next is part of the Cup team? TBO I didn't know very much about him so I looked into him a bit. Meh. Good for NJ.


Holzinger won the Hobey Baker & also not only failed to check Hull but ALSO managed to obstruct the ref's view which allowed the league to move the decision upstairs. We all know how that turned out. The LAST thing I'd look for is a Hobey Baker. Some winners are awesome, and some are Dawesome. (No, Jason Dawe did not win an HB. :P)

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:24 AM

Holzinger won the Hobey Baker & also not only failed to check Hull but ALSO managed to obstruct the ref's view which allowed the league to move the decision upstairs. We all know how that turned out. The LAST thing I'd look for is a Hobey Baker. Some winners are awesome, and some are Dawesome. (No, Jason Dawe did not win an HB. :P)


Winning the Hobey Baker was certainly the weak spot on Jack Eichel's resume given Holzinger's play on Hull when Eichel was a toddler...wait, what?

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 08:37 AM

I really couldn't care less. He would have been a nice depth piece but from his perspective a better opportunity does exists in NJ.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:32 AM

I really couldn't care less. He would have been a nice depth piece but from his perspective a better opportunity does exists in NJ.

On top which he partnered with the Santini kid on D when they played in Developmental league according to Santini's Uncle.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:32 AM

Winning the Hobey Baker was certainly the weak spot on Jack Eichel's resume given Holzinger's play on Hull when Eichel was a toddler...wait, what?


Winning the Hobey Baker has little correlation w/ a player being good or not in the NHL. Really couldn't care less if a player has one on his resume.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 11:52 AM

Winning the Hobey Baker has little correlation w/ a player being good or not in the NHL. Really couldn't care less if a player has one on his resume.

 

 

There really aren't many trends among the winners.  These are the only ones that somewhat stick out to me:

 

1. Non-seniors who have won it look to have had decent NHL careers.  There are definitely a few duds among this list

2. Defensemen who have won it also have had decent NHL careers.  It's a very short list though.  The last defensman to win it, Matt Gilroy, never really amounted to anything.  But then again, he won it at 24 years old (and wasn't even the best player on his team), so he was already at/near his ceiling.

3. Win it as a freshman and you're gold. :worthy:

 

 

Players who have won it as a senior?  It's a total crapshoot.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:43 PM

So you're saying a 22yr old is different then a 18yr old.

Age matters when discussing prospects.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:11 PM

So you're saying a 22yr old is different then a 18yr old.

Age matters when discussing prospects.

 

Of course.  That's something you need to remember when it comes to the Hobey.  Typically you're talking about an upperclassman who is closer to his ceiling already than the typical prospect.  And we're not talking about 22 year olds either.  You'll see 23 and 24 year olds landing the award at times too.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:47 PM

There really aren't many trends among the winners.  These are the only ones that somewhat stick out to me:

 

1. Non-seniors who have won it look to have had decent NHL careers.  There are definitely a few duds among this list

2. Defensemen who have won it also have had decent NHL careers.  It's a very short list though.  The last defensman to win it, Matt Gilroy, never really amounted to anything.  But then again, he won it at 24 years old (and wasn't even the best player on his team), so he was already at/near his ceiling.

3. Win it as a freshman and you're gold. :worthy:

 

 

Players who have won it as a senior?  It's a total crapshoot.

 

What about 20 year old goalies?



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

What about 20 year old goalies?


Elite.

As long as they don't have an issue with the alignment of their eyes.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:34 PM

Elite.

As long as they don't have an issue with the alignment of their eyes.

 

Have you ever seen the alignment of Robb Stauber's eyes?



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 12:24 PM

Winning the Hobey Baker has little correlation w/ a player being good or not in the NHL. Really couldn't care less if a player has one on his resume.

Got it! Prior comment had me a bit confuzzled. :-)