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#1 WildCard

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 08:56 AM

With the news breaking that Gionta is likely not coming back, who do you believe will be the next Captain? 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:02 AM

If, indeed, the Captain is not back ... the only reasonable choice is Eich.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:03 AM

Whomever the players vote for.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:07 AM

Not sure if it is Eichel, he needs to step up with consistency, ROR to me makes the most sense with his experience unless Jack is gonna be committed and vocal. May depend on his contract and when it is signed. If you go this route then make ROR, a healthy KO as a spokesman type and Risto or Scandella on back end. How many assistants captains can a team designate?

Edited by North Buffalo, 12 July 2017 - 09:07 AM.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:10 AM

It needs to be Eichel. If it's not Eichel then this team is doomed to fail. 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:11 AM

Whomever the players vote for.


This.

My money'd be on O'Reilly but could definitely see Eichel getting it. Can't imagine it landing elsewhere.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:23 AM

I'd think it was one of the Adjunct Captains from last year, but I think that's Gorges and ???, so maybe not. Anyone up for monthly rotating Captains?



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:24 AM

I'd think it was one of the Adjunct Captains from last year, but I think that's Gorges and ???, so maybe not. Anyone up for monthly rotating Captains?

 

Another valid criticism of Ruff was the rotating captains.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:27 AM

This is Jack's Team. Gotta be him

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:35 AM

Whomever the players vote for.

 

This is the way it should be.

 

I think the result of a vote today would yield ROR, with Eich and KO as 'A'.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

I lean towards ROR because I'm not sure if Jack is ready.

Does he have the ability to deal with the media?
Is his work ethic off the charts?
Does he take youngsters under his wing?
Is he the right go between between players and staff?

Maybe Jack checks all of the boxes and is good to go.
If a vote goes to someone else, I would hope he doesn't pout.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 09:58 AM

Whomever the players vote for.


This.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:01 AM

C: Gorges

A: Deslauriers

A: Ennis Moulson



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:06 AM

I lean towards ROR because I'm not sure if Jack is ready.

Does he have the ability to deal with the media?
Is his work ethic off the charts?
Does he take youngsters under his wing?
Is he the right go between between players and staff?

Maybe Jack checks all of the boxes and is good to go.
If a vote goes to someone else, I would hope he doesn't pout.

I think Jack is the kind of player you give the C to with the expectation that he'll rise to the occasion. 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:07 AM

I think Jack is the kind of player you give the C to with the expectation that he'll rise to the occasion.

Agreed. I think it has to be him

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:13 AM

I think Jack is the kind of player you give the C to with the expectation that he'll rise to the occasion.

That would be my hope, but not sure until contract is signed, interim ROR if not.

Edited by North Buffalo, 12 July 2017 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:14 AM

Interesting debate...probably ROR for what he is being paid he should be the team leader but of course Jack would be a good pick too. Maybe ROR having more experience gives him the nod...



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:15 AM

That would be my hope, but not sure until contract is signed, interim ROR if not.

I think that's a good call. But I suspect he'll get the contract done in time for camp. 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:19 AM

I lean towards ROR because I'm not sure if Jack is ready.

Does he have the ability to deal with the media?
Is his work ethic off the charts?
Does he take youngsters under his wing?
Is he the right go between between players and staff?

Maybe Jack checks all of the boxes and is good to go.
If a vote goes to someone else, I would hope he doesn't pout.

 

O'Reilly does not seem to be the leader I thought we were getting. Has to be Eichel



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:25 AM

C: Gorges
A: Deslauriers
A: Ennis Moulson


Hey Flagg, Pi hacked your account...

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:26 AM

The commissioner will never hand ROR the Stanley Cup. Not ever. He hands it to Jack and Jack skates it on its first lap. Then Jack hands it off to an elder statesman who never won one. ROR gets it a few guys down the line and no one remembers.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 10:27 AM

Hey Flagg, Pi hacked your account...

The best players in the NHL are, in order:
Jason Zucker

Ryan Suter

Jared Spurgeon

David Savard

Brooks Orpik

Dmitri Orlov



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:03 AM

ROR. His work ethic and leadership have been praised by basically everyone who has ever played with him.

 

It is tricky because I think this is Eichel's team in the future, but he isn't ready for leadership now. I would liken it to Washington giving Ovechkin the C at least 3 years too soon in my eyes (and suffering for it).

 

Personally I would be up for a ROR / Eichel co-captain situation. It worked in our glory days and I see a lot of Drury / Briere dynamic in their two games. ROR on the road, Eich at home.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:08 AM

ROR. His work ethic and leadership have been praised by basically everyone who has ever played with him.

 

It is tricky because I think this is Eichel's team in the future, but he isn't ready for leadership now. I would liken it to Washington giving Ovechkin the C at least 3 years too soon in my eyes (and suffering for it).

 

Personally I would be up for a ROR / Eichel co-captain situation. It worked in our glory days and I see a lot of Drury / Briere dynamic in their two games. ROR on the road, Eich at home.

 

I can get behind the idea of a co-captain situation as you outlined.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:17 AM

ROR. His work ethic and leadership have been praised by basically everyone who has ever played with him.

 

It is tricky because I think this is Eichel's team in the future, but he isn't ready for leadership now. I would liken it to Washington giving Ovechkin the C at least 3 years too soon in my eyes (and suffering for it).

 

Personally I would be up for a ROR / Eichel co-captain situation. It worked in our glory days and I see a lot of Drury / Briere dynamic in their two games. ROR on the road, Eich at home.

 

His work ethic is great but I heard him in an interview a few months ago and he was talking about how he wished he had been a better, more vocal leader. He is great on the ice but it REALLY sounded like he was not built for Captain



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:25 AM

I really like the idea of whoever the players vote on but my vote would be for ROR. He's already an A, plays both sides of the ice very well and does all the little things to help win us games. He's by far my favorite player besides Jack.

I'd like to see

ROR C
Jack A
Risto A

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:28 AM

His work ethic is great but I heard him in an interview a few months ago and he was talking about how he wished he had been a better, more vocal leader. He is great on the ice but it REALLY sounded like he was not built for Captain

Agreed 100%. He's just not the leader we all thought he was. Eichel is



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:28 AM

I don't think O'Reilly gets the C in any scenario.  This is Jack's team and he will be the captain someday.  If he isn't ready this year you give it to a respected vet who will be gone in a year or two (Pominville?).  This creates a clear path for Jack and you don't have to deal with stripping the C from a guy like O'Reilly.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:30 AM

I wouldn't mind going captain-less for a season or two.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:39 AM

I don't think O'Reilly gets the C in any scenario. This is Jack's team and he will be the captain someday. If he isn't ready this year you give it to a respected vet who will be gone in a year or two (Pominville?). This creates a clear path for Jack and you don't have to deal with stripping the C from a guy like O'Reilly.


I know this is a dominant thought process but I respectfully disagree on this. I don't think best player automatically means captain. ROR is definitly C material.

We're gonna lock Jack up another 8 years anyway no need to rush it. When he naturally grows into it we just put ROR back as an alternate.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:41 AM

I wouldn't mind going captain-less for a season or two.

 

I would. This team needs direction. Next season is critical for the rebuild. We can't afford last year to be anything more than a blip, as a result I want a clear structure in our locker room - a player who is ultimately accountable for this team. Going leaderless either means someone steps up (in which case they should be made captain the moment they do), or you have a ton of alternates and there is no clear voice. I don't want a leadership by committee like we had post Drury/Briere


I know this is a dominant thought process but I respectfully disagree on this. I don't think best player automatically means captain. ROR is definitly C material.

We're gonna lock Jack up another 8 years anyway no need to rush it. When he naturally grows into it we just put ROR back as an alternate.

 

Plus if ROR is a good leader he should accept it if Eichel passes him.

 

I also think ROR criticising his leadership abilities does not make him a bad leader - I would argue that it makes him a self-aware man with a drive to improve, which usually makes for a pretty good leader. Plus he strikes me as a man who is basically never happy with his performance in any manner. He always looks at the faults and tries to improve them



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:41 AM

I really like the idea of whoever the players vote on but my vote would be for ROR. He's already an A, plays both sides of the ice very well and does all the little things to help win us games. He's by far my favorite player besides Jack.

I'd like to see

ROR C
Jack A
Risto A

 

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:44 AM

I wouldn't mind going captain-less for a season or two.


I absolutely would. The Ruff practice of handing out three "A"s (including Doug ###### Gilmour) and later on slapping the "C" on the majority of the roster in turn reeked of a team with no identity, no real spine.

Slap it on Eichel and we go forward.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:45 AM

It does not appear (? - who knows for sure) that a natural captain is on the current roster.  The captain is not always the best player.  11 didn't become captain until the 80s.

 

So, ?????



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:47 AM

Toronto, the NHL team in the most similar situation to us roster-wise, didn't have a captain last year. It wouldn't be a big deal. Jack can focus on putting a healthy season together with his developed ability to be a point per game player, and then when he does that and starts his mega-deal the following season he can take the C. 



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:49 AM

It does not appear (? - who knows for sure) that a natural captain is on the current roster.  The captain is not always the best player.  11 didn't become captain until the 80s.

 

So, ?????

 

What's your view on ROR?


Toronto, the NHL team in the most similar situation to us roster-wise, didn't have a captain last year. It wouldn't be a big deal. Jack can focus on putting a healthy season together with his developed ability to be a point per game player, and then when he does that and starts his mega-deal the following season he can take the C. 

 

IMO, Toronto was lightning in a bottle. Not to mention their season could basically go any direction and it not matter - we don't have that luxury



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:54 AM

What's your view on ROR?


 

IMO, Toronto was lightning in a bottle. Not to mention their season could basically go any direction and it not matter - we don't have that luxury

I'm just not convinced that a season of there being no 'C' stitched on somebody's jersey is a disaster waiting to happen.


We've just had about 5 disastrous seasons with captains. Meh



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:54 AM

What's your view on ROR?

 

I think he is the Sabres 'best' player (not most skilled, which is Jack).  I have thought that ROR would be the next captain after Gionta.  I still think that would be a good choice.  I like what you said about him and his view on his take of his lack of leadership.

 

There is merit in saying that this is Jack's team and he needs to run with it, but that could be a disaster if he is not ready, which I don't think he is.  I did say upthread that it would / should be Jack, but that is what I think is likely to happen, not that I think it is a good idea.

 

Someone said upthread that ... C = ROR; A = Risto and Eich.  I like that combo.



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 12:11 PM

C: Gorges

A: Deslauriers

A: Ennis Moulson

 

Nice.


That would be my hope, but not sure until contract is signed, interim ROR if not.

 

There won't be a captain until no earlier than Training Camp.  I would expect Jack is signed by then.


ROR. His work ethic and leadership have been praised by basically everyone who has ever played with him.

 

It is tricky because I think this is Eichel's team in the future, but he isn't ready for leadership now. I would liken it to Washington giving Ovechkin the C at least 3 years too soon in my eyes (and suffering for it).

 

Personally I would be up for a ROR / Eichel co-captain situation. It worked in our glory days and I see a lot of Drury / Briere dynamic in their two games. ROR on the road, Eich at home.

 

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 12:13 PM

I'm just not convinced that a season of there being no 'C' stitched on somebody's jersey is a disaster waiting to happen.


We've just had about 5 disastrous seasons with captains. Meh

Pretty sure Toronto is going without a C this year