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#41 Anordning

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 09:54 PM

Doohickski???

 

You bet yer dupah.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 06:55 AM

As much as it pains me to agree with pi, he's right.  The pronunciation of my name in its native Polish is nothing like the way Americans (including my family) say it.

 

Same here. I've seen an instance where someone was using the English phonetic spelling of my last name as their last name (presumably changed while immigrating by the ancestor or immigration person). I. E., Using the Bowlyou spelling instead of Beaulieu.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 07:43 AM

It's Beau-l-yea. Yup.


Take it from someone that hears proper French daily , its not.

 

In Belgium they speak more proper French than in France.  It's true.



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 12:28 PM

Call me old fashioned but I parallel my pronunciation with whatever RJ says lol.

Edited by Saratoga Sabres Fan, 07 July 2017 - 12:30 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2017 - 12:44 PM

hmmm interesting 



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 03:44 PM

Call me old fashioned but I parallel my pronunciation with whatever RJ says lol.

 

RJ mispronounced Tallinder, Lydman, Sekera,...



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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:34 PM

Larsson signed. 2 x $1.475

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:35 PM

Larsson signed. 2 x $1.475

Noice. Fair.

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:40 PM

RJ mispronounced Tallinder, Lydman, Sekera,...

 

I know, and I'm okay with that lol. It's going to happen with an international sport such as hockey. :-)



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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:52 PM

Larsson signed. 2 x $1.475

Just saw that, think it works for both and if Larrson picks it up with new system, still think he may and Girgenson combo may be our best two checking 3rd fouth line combo. Throw one of the young guys like Bailey there to let him develop further and that would be an awesome 4th line imo. Or put Larry up on one the other lines as a forechecker pest. Be interesting, him Kane and maybe Sam together... might work... ?

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:44 PM

Per Hamilton

The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 02:27 PM

Per Hamilton

The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4

 

I have a solid feeling that Beaulieu will settle before then and Lehner will go through arbitration.  The interesting question is what happens after his hearing.



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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:15 PM

I have a solid feeling that Beaulieu will settle before then and Lehner will go through arbitration. The interesting question is what happens after his hearing.


I don't think either of them reach a hearing.

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:44 PM

Per Hamilton

The arbitration hearings for Robin Lehner is July 27 and Nate Beaulieu August 4

 

Very nice, thanks for that. The Lehner arbitration is the big one, I have no idea what that number is going to be. Side note, I wonder if it puts strain between a player and a GM when it goes all the way to the arbitrator at the very end, or if it's just considered business? 



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Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:50 PM

Very nice, thanks for that. The Lehner arbitration is the big one, I have no idea what that number is going to be. Side note, I wonder if it puts strain between a player and a GM when it goes all the way to the arbitrator at the very end, or if it's just considered business?


I definitely think it causes strain. Basically the team will be placing all of your deficiencies under a microscope and arguing how bad you are.

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:08 AM

I don't think either of them reach a hearing.

 

I haven't seen the full list, but I'll be curious to see how many hearings actually happen across the entire league.  It'll be a handful at best.



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Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:08 AM

I haven't seen the full list, but I'll be curious to see how many hearings actually happen across the entire league. It'll be a handful at best.


Read somewhere (here maybe) that of the 30 or so cases filed for arbitration, only 1 actually went to arbitration.

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 08:30 AM

I posted some of this last week, but I needed to work on the data a bit, so I did that. I decided to order goaltenders by per 60. Meaning that I took what the goaltender should have given up per 60 based upon the distance of the shots(let's say 3), minus what they actually gave up (let's say 2.5) to give the goaltender a .5 per 60. Following that is the raw number. Let's say that he should have given up 100, and he gave up 90, he'd be at 10.

 

The numbers seem a bit positive, part of it is that I didn't bother with all goaltenders (if you play only a few games, it's likely your number is negative), and part of it is probably a math error somewhere.

 

The goal here was to create a chart with per 60 on one axis and contract on the other, to give an idea of what Lehner is worth, but with many expensive goaltenders being not so good, and some great though unheralded being very cheap, it's probably a useless chart.

 

The stat isn't perfect, my current theory is that a poor defensive player will have more goals scored on them than their shot distance would predict, but I think it's better than other stats out there. Do notice that (likely) the two most analytic teams traded for unheralded goaltenders who had really great years.

 

Darling .88 21.6
Bob .81 49.8
Murray .61 28.3
Price .59 25.2
Howard .57 13.4
Gibson .53 24.5
Grubauer .52 11
Raanta .52 14.2
Talbot .48 34.9
Holtby .44 27.5
Anderson (Ottawa) .44
Saros .43 8.6
Crawford .47 21.6
Quick .35 5.4
Nilsson .34 7.4
Smith .32 15.3
Greiss .31 14.5
Halek .29 7.8
Markstrom .27 6.6
Fleury .27 9.7
Reimer .25 9.8
Miller .24 12.5
Andersen (Toronto) .22 13.8
Jones .22 14
Bernier .22 5.2
Dubnyk .19 12.2
Rinne .19 11.3
Budaj/Bishop (Los Angeles - They had the same number) .15 8.8
Luongo .14 5.6
Johnson .14 4.6
Montoya .14 2.6
Lehner .13 6.2
Allen .13 7.2
Kinkaid .12 3
Lundqvist .1 5.5
Condon .1 3.7
Hutton .09 2.8
Elliot .08 3.1
Schneider .02 .9
Vasilevskiy .02 1.3
Lehtonen -.01 -.3
Rask -.03 -1.3
Bishop -.03 -1
Ward -.06 -3.2
Mason -.08 -4.5
Pickard -.1 -3.8
Mrazek -.11 -5
Korpisalo -.11 -1.4
McElhinney (Toronto) -.17 -2.9
Domingue -.19 -4.4
Lack -.34 -3.8
Khudobin -.37 -4.6
Newvirth -.38 -8.6
Kuemper -.43 -7.5
Niemi -.46 -13.4
Varlamov -.47 -10.6



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 09:29 AM

So more positive is good?



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Posted 13 July 2017 - 09:33 AM

yes, more positive is good



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 11:20 PM

only 4 days until Lehner's hearing... tick tock

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:53 AM

only 4 days until Lehner's hearing... tick tock

 

I have every confidence that this will go to arbitration.  They might reach a deal before a decision is rendered, but both sides are going to be heard on this one.  Lehner is not Botterill's boy.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:19 AM

Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:22 AM

Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide

 

Or they don't believe he's the future starter now, and want an easily movable contract so their not stuck with a Molson type player in a year.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:52 AM

I wonder what he'll look like in this new system...

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:53 AM

Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide

 

Plus if it goes to arbitration, the sabres can choose a 1 year "show me contract" with Lehner still a RFA next year. Major advantage there as why give him a 3 year contract, not knowing what you have, and have him a UFA in 3 years. Give yourself more time to decide

You sure about that? I thought it was a player's decision if they wanted the 1 or 2 year deal.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

I wonder what he'll look like in this new system...


Not great. They'll likely struggle out of the gate, maybe allow fewer shots but higher quality scoring chances.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:33 AM

You sure about that? I thought it was a player's decision if they wanted the 1 or 2 year deal.


If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable).

If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable).

Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:52 AM

If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable).

If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable).

Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration.

 

If I remember right, which is usually the case (I think), that the 3 players filed this time around and not the team.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:59 AM

If player chooses arbitration, team chooses term (if applicable).

If team chooses arbitration, player chooses term (if applicable).

Team can't walk away from team selected arbitration.


Thx

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:00 PM

More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th.

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:53 PM

More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th.

 

Yeah same, no connection with this team, this might get played hard.



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:19 PM

One of the main reasons the Canadiens traded Beaulieu was fear that his 28 points would far outweigh his actual value to the team and in the eyes of the arbitrator.

Not worried about Lehner. If he gets awarded $5 million it will only be a year or two and won't hurt us down the road.
If signs a longer-term deal it will be for less and he likely will be worth it.

Edited by dudacek, 23 July 2017 - 10:24 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:11 PM

More concerned about Beaulieu situation, tbh. August 4th.

 

I'm more worried about Lehner.    Just because he thinks he's better than he is.    Beaulieu doesn't concern me.    



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Posted 23 July 2017 - 08:15 PM

Plus which, JBOT actively went out and traded for Beaulieu.  Would tend to indicate that he'd be more motivated to get a contract done in his case.



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 06:55 AM

Usually these things still get settled the day before, no one really wants a hearing ...



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Posted 24 July 2017 - 08:04 AM

I'd be curious to see how many times a traded player actually went to an arbitration hearing with his brand new team.  I can't imagine it's too common. 



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:21 AM

Lehner signs for one year per Sabres Twitter.
Now I'm wondering what the Sabres offered Lehner initially if a one year deal is enough to avoid arbitration.

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:46 AM

Lehner signs for one year per Sabres Twitter.
Now I'm wondering what the Sabres offered Lehner initially if a one year deal is enough to avoid arbitration.

1x4 mill I hear.   and still keeps him as RFA.    If he does well this year he'll get the long term deal.



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:54 AM

That's a fair deal, he gets a 27% raise for a decent year but it's a 1 year deal to prove if he's really a #1 or not