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#81 That Aud Smell

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:07 AM

In other news, d4rk gets his wish: No way Gionta is brought back.

 

Pommers > Gio


Everyone seems to be forgetting Guhle.  He should be in the mix.

 

I think this all but guarantees he spends the year in Roch.


What was MIN's motivation here?

 

Cap space?

 

How much did they gain, exactly?

 

Foligno is an RFA, so I'm not sure what his # will be.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:07 AM

Love this trade. Scandella slots in nicely as a solid 4/5 guy (like, a real one, not Justin Falk, let alone Josh Gorges) and Pommer is still an upgrade over Foligno or Ennis.

Foligno's (and Carrier's, for that matter) physicality is going to be missed at some point if not replaced by guys like Bailey and Fasching.   



#83 bob_sauve28

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:07 AM

Does anyone have an option on the defenseman we traded for?

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:08 AM

We got softer but I like the trade

Yeah I hear ya, does this mean Kane stays? Still have DLo and Bogo to drop them if needed. 



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:08 AM

Everyone seems to be forgetting Guhle.  He should be in the mix.

But now he doesn't HAVE to be - he can still play his way on the team, but he certainly won't be forced in if not ready. Very very good!



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:09 AM

 



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:09 AM

In other news, d4rk gets his wish: No way Gionta is brought back.

 

Pommers > Gio


 

I think this all but guarantees he spends the year in Roch.


What was MIN's motivation here?

 

Cap space?

 

How much did they gain, exactly?

 

Foligno is an RFA, so I'm not sure what his # will be.

Depending, I think hey save around 3.5-4 million. Off the top of my head. 

 

But unless Ennis becomes rookie year/tank year ennis, they easily lose on value.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

But now he doesn't HAVE to be - he can still play his way on the team, but he certainly won't be forced in if not ready. Very very good!

 

Exactly. Start Guhle in Rochester and play him top minutes in every situation and call him up when Bogo breaks a finger or something.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

In other news, d4rk gets his wish: No way Gionta is brought back.

Pommers > Gio


I think this all but guarantees he spends the year in Roch.

What was MIN's motivation here?

Cap space?

How much did they gain, exactly?

Foligno is an RFA, so I'm not sure what his # will be.


I hadn't even considered the effect on Gio. Yes, I like it even more now.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

So we are deeper at defense now, a good thing

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:11 AM

If Foligno's last name was Smith nobody would even think twice.  This is an awesome trade.  We have PLENTY of people to fill Foligno's role and Ennis at this point is fool's gold.  I didn't care for the Tyler Afinogennis routine BEFORE he got hurt.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:11 AM

Oh man I can't believe I miss Harry Neale.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:11 AM

This is an interesting trade. Minnesota dumped 34 yr old Pominville's huge contract and Scandella coming off hip surgery to Buffalo for 27 yr old concussion prone Ennis and 25 yr old power forward Foligno. Plus Buffalo gives up a 3rd round pick and Minn gives up a 4th round pick.

 

Personally, I believe Pominville's best days are way behind him so adding his huge salary for two more years is puzzling to me. Scandella is a question mark based on his hip problem. Ennis is also a question mark based on his concussions. If Ennis avoids further injury he has the potential to be the best player in this deal. He has the most upside. Foligno apparently does not fit the style of play the new Sabres are planning to employ.

 

There is no way to know how this trade eventually works out at this point. If Scandella becomes a solid top 4 defenseman for many years, I believe the Sabres will be pleased with the deal.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:12 AM

Imagine if we can grab Demers for a 2nd or something, and magically find a way to dump Bogo. 

 

Scandella-Risto

McCabe-Demers (McCabe has a guy on the second pair to lean on, which is what he needs the most to fulfill his potential IMO)

Beaulieu-Antipin (shelter heavily and see what kind of offensive damage they can do)

 

And then

Girgensons - Eichel - Pominville 

LW - ROR - Okposo

Kane - Reinhart - Baptiste 

Fasching - Larsson - Bailey? 

 

Play with ROR's left wing and Larsson's wingers a bit, maybe sign a cheap vet to fill those roles. 

PLAYOFFS BBY



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:12 AM

This is an interesting trade. Minnesota dumped 34 yr old Pominville's huge contract and Scandella coming off hip surgery to Buffalo for 27 yr old concussion prone Ennis and 25 yr old power forward Foligno. Plus Buffalo gives up a 3rd round pick and Minn gives up a 4th round pick.

 

Personally, I believe Pominville's best days are way behind him so adding his huge salary for two more years is puzzling to me. Scandella is a question mark based on his hip problem. Ennis is also a question mark based on his concussions. If Ennis avoids further injury he has the potential to be the best player in this deal. He has the most upside. Foligno apparently does not fit the style of play the new Sabres are planning to employ.

 

There is no way to know how this trade eventually works out at this point. If Scandella becomes a solid top 4 defenseman for many years, I believe the Sabres will be pleased with the deal.

I don't see this at all



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:13 AM

Scandella was one of the Wild's best offensive defensivemen

Pominville will slide into Gionta's spot but he'll be 35 when the season starts

 

Going to miss Foligno's physicallity

Wish Ennis well but he hasn't been the same in 2 years

 

If Scandella comes back healthy, this is a WIN for us



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:13 AM

I'd love to see a Pommer - Samson 3rd line. If we extend Kane or some of our call-ups perform well that's 3 very interesting scoring lines to have in 2 years. Like deep playoff run interesting.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:14 AM

^

 

Not a bad take.

 

From what I can tell: The Sabres got a capable NHL d-man, and MIN got some cap relief. Everything else is really just stuff, at this point.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:15 AM

Pominville had same even-str. point total (40) as Kessel, Monahan, Marner despite low S% (7.4) & depth role. Scandella big upgrade. #Sabres

From NHL Jensen

Yes that will decrease for Pommers, but it's only two years

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:15 AM

Pominville is for the power play I'm guessing

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

I'd love to see a Pommer - Samson 3rd line. If we extend Kane or some of our call-ups perform well that's 3 very interesting scoring lines to have in 2 years. Like deep playoff run interesting.

Not to mention another shooter for the 2PP unit.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

Love it.
Good luck Marcus and Tyler. I'd say we just traded the last remnants of Darcy's team, but we got Pommers back so...
NO MORE GORGES!!!


Indubitably.

Scandella was one of the Wild's best offensive defensivemen
Pominville will slide into Gionta's spot but he'll be 35 when the season starts
 
Going to miss Foligno's physicallity
Wish Ennis well but he hasn't been the same in 2 years
 
If Scandella comes back healthy, this is a WIN for us


Expected to be ready for season.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

I was never huge on Foligno. He seemed to not want to play the game his skills and body suited. I'm looking forward to not watching  a power forward turn the puck over by trying to dangle someone rather than go through them



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

Pominville is for the power play I'm guessing

For the 2nd team I'm guessing but he had 47 points last year I believe



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

Moulson and Kane are our only left shot wingers now lol

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:18 AM

 

 

Good link and I found this part most interesting:

 

Scandella suffered a hernia last season and had surgery to repair the issue during the offseason. This disrupted his normal training regimin and it is clear that this damaged his performance this season. Yet, Scandella managed to eventually get back on track towards the end of the season and during the playoffs was at times the most noticeable of the Wild’s blueliners (in a good way). This isn’t to claim that Scandella’s poor regular season should be ignored, but that it is highly likely that this latest season represents the low end of what the Wild can expect from Scandella on his current contract. Considering is good offensive numbers and the size and toughness he brings to the back end, this past season should not be the only marker used to judge Scandella’s value to the team.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:19 AM


Edited by Randall Flagg, 30 June 2017 - 11:19 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:19 AM

I love how JBOT has addressed the blue-line and I have a feeling he's not quite done yet.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:21 AM

As much as I don't want Vanek back I'd have to acknowledge the Moneyball aspect of bringing in Pominville and Vanek's combined 95 points last year for a shade over 7 million combined.  In 2 years they both come off the books along with Moulson (assuming he's not moved before that) and we have a crap ton of cap space to get replacements.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

Does Pommer or Ennis have a better season? I think that is what will be most interesting this year. Who is going to drop the gloves for this team? Girgs can't fight and who knows with Kane. We gained some speed in the off-season but man, pretty soft team overall as far as I can see.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

Pominville is for the power play I'm guessing

 

And

 

Not to mention another shooter for the 2PP unit.

 

Quite so.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:23 AM

I love how JBOT has addressed the blue-line and I have a feeling he's not quite done yet.

You have to give him credit because for a new guy he's not afraid to give it a whirl.

I'm still going to miss Foligno, you could never question his effort and the way last season ended that's a big plus for him



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:25 AM

Imagine if we can grab Demers for a 2nd or something, and magically find a way to dump Bogo.

Scandella-Risto
McCabe-Demers (McCabe has a guy on the second pair to lean on, which is what he needs the most to fulfill his potential IMO)
Beaulieu-Antipin (shelter heavily and see what kind of offensive damage they can do)

And then
Girgensons - Eichel - Pominville
LW - ROR - Okposo
Kane - Reinhart - Baptiste
Fasching - Larsson - Bailey?

Play with ROR's left wing and Larsson's wingers a bit, maybe sign a cheap vet to fill those roles.

PLAYOFFS BBY


Yes please. Yes. Two defensemen down, one to go. One...two...we want three! Demers for cheap would be perfect. We'd have fixed our defense and upgraded our forwards for basically two 3rds, a 2nd, and a few million in cap space. Perfect.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:25 AM

Depending, I think hey save around 3.5-4 million. Off the top of my head. 

 

But unless Ennis becomes rookie year/tank year ennis, they easily lose on value.

 

They save $1 million on Poms for Ennis.

The save $1.5 million on Foligno for Scandella, but Foligno is  free agent and will likely get a raise.



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:26 AM

Does Pommer or Ennis have a better season? I think that is what will be most interesting this year. Who is going to drop the gloves for this team? Girgs can't fight and who knows with Kane. We gained some speed in the off-season but man, pretty soft team overall as far as I can see.

 

Deslauriers can throw, right?



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:27 AM

Does Pommer or Ennis have a better season? I think that is what will be most interesting this year. Who is going to drop the gloves for this team? Girgs can't fight and who knows with Kane. We gained some speed in the off-season but man, pretty soft team overall as far as I can see.


That's ok, we can trade for Ryan Reaves after our third Cup.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:27 AM

Does Pommer or Ennis have a better season? I think that is what will be most interesting this year. Who is going to drop the gloves for this team? Girgs can't fight and who knows with Kane. We gained some speed in the off-season but man, pretty soft team overall as far as I can see.

Check out the production over the last 2 seasons for each player, and then 5 just for fun too. 

Also, teams don't fight very much anymore so it doesn't matter



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:27 AM

Does Pommer or Ennis have a better season? I think that is what will be most interesting this year. Who is going to drop the gloves for this team? Girgs can't fight and who knows with Kane. We gained some speed in the off-season but man, pretty soft team overall as far as I can see.

Is fighting an important part of the game?



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:27 AM

Deslauriers can throw, right?

 

If he ever gets on the ice



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:28 AM

Guys, this move means Gorges is not in our top six anymore.  :w00t: