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Who will Vegas take from the Sabres in the expansion draft?

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#1 nfreeman

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:26 AM

As always, this is not what you want to have happen -- this is what you think is going to happen.

 

I'm torn on this one.  On the one hand, Moulson's contract ($3MM total actual cash for the next 2 years; $10MM in cap hit) would be very Vegas-friendly if they in fact expect to struggle to get to the floor, and I'd expect JBott to work hard to try to get Vegas to take Moulson, and McPhee allegedly owed GMTM a favor, and Moulson has family ties to McPhee...and on the other hand, Moulson stinks and I have to believe Vegas will get better offers to take albatross contracts from other teams.

 

I also think Carrier is pretty close to JAG, while Ullmark and Bogo have more upside, and Bogo and Gorges would play right away and probably fill bigger roles than Carrier.  Also, Vegas could probably unload Gorges at the deadline for a draft pick.

 

I think Bogo's contract makes him an NFW.

 

I'm gonna say Moulson because of his contract and out of faith in JBott.  But I'm not confident.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:35 AM

Bogo or Carrier.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:40 AM

I also think they take Moulson.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:42 AM

Bogo or Carrier.

Can't see them taking Bogo with all of the other defensemen available from other teams 


I also think they take Moulson.

Same. There's not a lot of good forwards available from other teams, he's a vet, and I bet they think they can revive him for a few seasons 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:46 AM

They'll take Moulson in the draft and sign Kuli 7/1 in a wink-wink sort of way.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:52 AM

They'll take Moulson in the draft and sign Kuli 7/1 in a wink-wink sort of way.

Not sure what you mean. If Kulikov is going to be a UFA anyways and hated being here, why would they take Moulson in exchange for some Kulikov guarantee 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:00 PM

Not sure what you mean. If Kulikov is going to be a UFA anyways and hated being here, why would they take Moulson in exchange for some Kulikov guarantee


The winking would be between LV and Kuli, the latter promising them he'll sign.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

Kulikov... and his salary would not count towards the cap floor they must reach with expansion picks.    Which is fine, because it frees up money to pick higher priced guys like Neal, Bob Ryan, etc...


Edited by pi2000, 19 June 2017 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

Ullmark.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:18 PM

They'll take Moulson in the draft and sign Kuli 7/1 in a wink-wink sort of way.

This is my thinking as well. I think we have a handshake understanding for Vegas to take Moulson given cap and reclamation project. And Kulikov will be a focused recruit as a FA for Vegas.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:32 PM

If there's a deal in place I expect them to take Moulson for whatever they agreed on. In a vacuum I would expect them to take Bogosian.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:37 PM

I think the 54th and 89th picks go to LV and they take Moulson. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:46 PM

I went with Moulson. McPhee owes Buffalo/Murray a favor. I think McPhee will do something that helps Buffalo without receiving a draft pick or supplemental action to make it work.

 

Could also be Bogo, but I believe JB and Housley may want to keep him for depth or role right now.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:50 PM

I went with Moulson. McPhee owes Buffalo/Murray a favor. I think McPhee will do something that helps Buffalo without receiving a draft pick or supplemental action to make it work.

 

Could also be Bogo, but I believe JB and Housley may want to keep him for depth or role right now.

 

Why does McPhee owe Buffalo a favor?



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:53 PM

Why does McPhee owe Buffalo a favor?


https://sinbin.vegas...on-deal-coming/

He ate Klesla's cap hit for him in the Halak trade. Dunno if the coupon was transferable to JBOT though....

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM

I really think it would be too good to be true if vegas took Matty or even Bogo and their big contracts. Of course there is no way they'd take Gorges either and I have to think they'd be wise to take Carrier who is young, cheap and exciting...all things that are highly sought. We'll be stuck with Moulson and Bogo (although I do think he may improve significantly under new coaching). I still don't understand Ennis but whatever...


Edited by Sabre fan, 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:36 PM

But you could say take Carrier and Moulson, trade us your 2nd and we'll give you our 2nd. They might did that. Or something like that.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:53 PM

Bogo and a 2nd to Vegas

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:57 PM

Bogo and a 2nd to Vegas

I'd rather keep Bogo for that cost. I wouldn't mind keeping him anyways, given the state of our blue line as it stands. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:09 PM

But you could say take Carrier and Moulson, trade us your 2nd and we'll give you our 2nd. They might did that. Or something like that.

 

They can only take one in the expansion "draft".   But they could do a deal immediately after... they "pick" Carrier, then BUF trades them Moulson and a 2nd for Vegas' 3rd or something of lesser value.


I'd rather keep Bogo for that cost. I wouldn't mind keeping him anyways, given the state of our blue line as it stands. 

 

Based purely on ability, I wouldn't exactly hate the idea of keeping Bogo around.    He'd provide good depth, albeit expensive depth. 

 

The issue with Bogo is that judging by his body language and the way he talks in interviews... he seems like one of those guys just happy to be in the league that Eichel was referring to.    When talking about creating a winning culture off the ice, I think he's a guy that needs to go.    Whether or not JBOT sees it that way, time will tell.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:13 PM

They can only take one in the expansion "draft".   But they could do a deal immediately after... they "pick" Carrier, then BUF trades them Moulson and a 2nd for Vegas' 3rd or something of lesser value.


 

Based purely on ability, I wouldn't exactly hate the idea of keeping Bogo around.    He'd provide good depth, albeit expensive depth. 

 

The issue with Bogo is that judging by his body language and the way he talks in interviews... he seems like one of those guys just happy to be in the league that Eichel was referring to.    When talking about creating a winning culture off the ice, I think he's a guy that needs to go.    Whether or not JBOT sees it that way, time will tell.

Or they can take Moulson in the expansion but after Buffalo agrees to give them Carrier and #38 for #34. Lots of options.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:55 PM

I have idea what agreements are in place, but I read one opinion stating that we left Carrier unprotected (and protected Ennis instead) based on an agreement with LV that they would not take Ullmark if we left Carrier unprotected so that they could take him.  Given the surprise to most that we protected Ennis and not Carrier leads me to believe that this opinion is plausible and that they will probably take Carrier.  He's a legitimate prospect - has speed, size and some grit.  He hasn't show the ability to finish, but that's why he's still a prospect - he's still developing and the scoring touch may come.  Even if it doesn't, he still has the speed, size and grit and teams need guys on the 3rd and 4th lines too.  As a side note, I hope they don't take Bogo.  I think that he can improve with the new coaching staff and if he becomes a top-4 D, his contract won't be so out of line.


Edited by msw2112, 19 June 2017 - 02:56 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:08 PM

Moulson makes a ton of sense to Buffalo and some sense to Vegas.

JBot will sweeten the pot to seal the deal.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:26 PM

I have idea what agreements are in place, but I read one opinion stating that we left Carrier unprotected (and protected Ennis instead) based on an agreement with LV that they would not take Ullmark if we left Carrier unprotected so that they could take him.  Given the surprise to most that we protected Ennis and not Carrier leads me to believe that this opinion is plausible and that they will probably take Carrier.  He's a legitimate prospect - has speed, size and some grit.  He hasn't show the ability to finish, but that's why he's still a prospect - he's still developing and the scoring touch may come.  Even if it doesn't, he still has the speed, size and grit and teams need guys on the 3rd and 4th lines too.  As a side note, I hope they don't take Bogo.  I think that he can improve with the new coaching staff and if he becomes a top-4 D, his contract won't be so out of line.

This is also where I landed and voted in the whose going sweepstakes


Moulson makes a ton of sense to Buffalo and some sense to Vegas.

JBot will sweeten the pot to seal the deal.

Sounds plausible but lets remember JBot's claim to fame is knowing how to build a team from the ground up.

 

If that's true then drafting the players you want that fit and can grow in your system trumps giving up choices IMHO.   



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:35 PM

JBot cut his teeth on managing the cap.
Dumping Moulson essentially funds Kane's extension, or Kane's replacement.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:00 PM

With a side deal: Moulson
Without a side deal: Carrier

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:05 PM

With a side deal: Moulson
Without a side deal: Carrier

This looks about right to me.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:19 PM

I voted Matty Mo; partially wishful optimism also simply because they'll need a guy like him to get to the cap. Also there's that in law-ish connection so who knows. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:32 PM

I voted Moulson which was two parts optimism and one part of me believing that. 

 

I see the expansion draft as a big "first-test" for JBOT, this is a chance for him to get rid of one of Murray's horrible contracts he handed out like candy during the tank years. 

 

Given Moulson's connection to McPhee, and his performance last season (when he was used on the PP) he's shown he can still produce. I'm wondering if Buffalo can sweeten the deal be retaining some of his salary? Is that an option? 

 

My second guess is naturally Carrier. I don't mind the idea of losing him as much as I mind the idea of being married to the money wrapped up in Bogo, Moulson, and Ennis. As I said above, this is a true test for Botteril, if he manages to part ways with one of those he's going to be off to quite the start in Buffalo.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:37 PM

With a side deal: Moulson
Without a side deal: Carrier


Yup.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:49 PM

With a side deal: Moulson
Without a side deal: Carrier


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:00 PM

I have idea what agreements are in place, but I read one opinion stating that we left Carrier unprotected (and protected Ennis instead) based on an agreement with LV that they would not take Ullmark if we left Carrier unprotected so that they could take him. Given the surprise to most that we protected Ennis and not Carrier leads me to believe that this opinion is plausible and that they will probably take Carrier. He's a legitimate prospect - has speed, size and some grit. He hasn't show the ability to finish, but that's why he's still a prospect - he's still developing and the scoring touch may come. Even if it doesn't, he still has the speed, size and grit and teams need guys on the 3rd and 4th lines too. As a side note, I hope they don't take Bogo. I think that he can improve with the new coaching staff and if he becomes a top-4 D, his contract won't be so out of line.


Paul Hamilton said this exact scenario on Howard and Jeremy this morning.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:38 PM

I think its Bogo. They are going to wheel deal a D man they take for picks. Bogo fills a couple of needs for them. His age allows them some experience with talent, his contract allows them cap floor help while the 1st year of their picks that do join the big club over these next 3 years ELC's don't force them to take less desirable contracts.

I don't believe their taking any UFA's from us. Why would they when they can wait to July 1st to talk to them anyways.

And why protect Beaulieu over Bogosain if there was already a deal in place? I'm not buying it. Nothing reported solid.

Edited by Scottysabres, 19 June 2017 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:38 PM

With a side deal: Moulson
Without a side deal: Carrier

Might Carrier be part of the side deal? Maybe Carrier plus a pick and they take Moulson?

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:47 PM

Might Carrier be part of the side deal? Maybe Carrier plus a pick and they take Moulson?


Paul Hamilton seems to think Carrier is on there instead of Ennis so they leave Ullmark alone...

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:48 PM

Might Carrier be part of the side deal? Maybe Carrier plus a pick and they take Moulson?

That's what I am thinking. Moulson Carrier and our 2nd for their 2nd or something like that. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:49 PM

I have idea what agreements are in place, but I read one opinion stating that we left Carrier unprotected (and protected Ennis instead) based on an agreement with LV that they would not take Ullmark if we left Carrier unprotected so that they could take him. Given the surprise to most that we protected Ennis and not Carrier leads me to believe that this opinion is plausible and that they will probably take Carrier. He's a legitimate prospect - has speed, size and some grit. He hasn't show the ability to finish, but that's why he's still a prospect - he's still developing and the scoring touch may come. Even if it doesn't, he still has the speed, size and grit and teams need guys on the 3rd and 4th lines too. As a side note, I hope they don't take Bogo. I think that he can improve with the new coaching staff and if he becomes a top-4 D, his contract won't be so out of line.


I'd like to think BOGO will be a late bloomer like Soupy was but I am not counting on it....I just think he would have shown more by now if he was

Edited by matter2003, 19 June 2017 - 06:50 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:30 PM

Paul Hamilton seems to think Carrier is on there instead of Ennis so they leave Ullmark alone...


Seems to make more sense that he's there as the sweetener to entice Vegas to trade one of the D that Vegas' ll end up getting or to get Moulson snagged in a trade.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:34 PM

I can't vote in good conscience. I can't bring myself all the way around to seeing LV taking the best from each team available with the hopes they can trade away what they can't ice. It'll be interesting to see. I don't see a guy they couldn't live without in our group. Everyone has presented good arguments and have almost talked me out of my gut feeling. Which is....something unspectacular.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:42 PM

I can't vote in good conscience. I can't bring myself all the way around to seeing LV taking the best from each team available with the hopes they can trade away what they can't ice. It'll be interesting to see. I don't see a guy they couldn't live without in our group. Everyone has presented good arguments and have almost talked me out of my gut feeling. Which is....something unspectacular.

 

This isn't Sophie's Choice here, my friend.  Just take a guess and predict something.