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#1 Eleven

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:39 AM

Check out the map at the beginning of this video:  https://www.nhl.com/...8694/c-52237603

 

There are eight divisions of four teams.  Buffalo is in with NYR, NYI, and Boston.  There is a "Canada East" division comprised of the two Ontario teams, Montreal, and Quebec.

 

EDIT:  Here is an imgur of the map in case you don't want to load the video or in case the NHL catches on and takes it down:  http://imgur.com/a/7c4Zc


Edited by Eleven, 17 June 2017 - 11:41 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:41 AM

Those divisions make so much more sense. It would suck not having the Toronto rivalry though



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:43 AM

The NHL perpetually run by a group of idiots... it's kind of like the US Congress. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:44 AM

Love those divisions if we're moving to 4-team divisions, but I'd probably like to have just 4 divisions total again just to limit how many mediocre teams are guaranteed a playoff spot just by winning a weak division.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:44 AM

I am completely over divisions. Other than minimizing travel, idgaf.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

I am completely over divisions. Other than minimizing travel, idgaf.

As long as they change the names and re-work the playoff format



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:55 AM

As long as they change the names and re-work the playoff format

I wonder if we will be in the Bettman Division



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:59 AM

Isn't it fairly likely that if Quebec exists, it was Carolina that moved there?



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:03 PM

Isn't it fairly likely that if Quebec exists, it was Carolina that moved there?

 

8 x 4 = 32



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:04 PM

Isn't it fairly likely that if Quebec exists, it was Carolina that moved there?

 

Not according to this map.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:09 PM

Well, if it means they play in NYC more often, sign me up!



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

8 x 4 = 32

I understand this, but isn't it much easier to move teams around, isn't Carolina in trouble, and isn't Quebec ready to go? I think if Quebec becomes an NHL city in the next few years it will not be through expansion. I think that's a lot more likely out west. 


Not according to this map.

Well I don't know how much authority to give this map on the subject



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:15 PM

I understand this, but isn't it much easier to move teams around, isn't Carolina in trouble, and isn't Quebec ready to go? I think if Quebec becomes an NHL city in the next few years it will not be through expansion. I think that's a lot more likely out west.

Bettman really, really tries hard to not relocate teams. He hates doing it



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:16 PM

I understand this, but isn't it much easier to move teams around, isn't Carolina in trouble, and isn't Quebec ready to go? I think if Quebec becomes an NHL city in the next few years it will not be through expansion. I think that's a lot more likely out west. 
Well I don't know how much authority to give this map on the subject


Respect it's authoritah!

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:18 PM

I understand this, but isn't it much easier to move teams around, isn't Carolina in trouble, and isn't Quebec ready to go? I think if Quebec becomes an NHL city in the next few years it will not be through expansion. I think that's a lot more likely out west. 


Well I don't know how much authority to give this map on the subject

 

That's a fair point.  It was in a video on the NHL's website, but it could very well be that some employee got lazy and used something that wasn't supposed to be used.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:21 PM

I don't think it's realistic that we don't get another expansion team. 

 

I like how the new divisions ensure Canada never goes through the embarrassment of not having a team qualify for the playoffs again. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:24 PM

What continues to amaze and piss me off is that Toronto and Montreal don't just get two freaking teams already. It's garbage 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:26 PM

What continues to amaze and piss me off is that Toronto and Montreal don't just get two freaking teams already. It's garbage 

 

Who's going to support them?  The Leaves and Habs are absolutely entrenched in their communities.  If Buffalo got a second team, would you support them over the Sabres?  Of course not. It's like that x 100 up there.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:27 PM

Who's going to support them? The Leaves and Habs are absolutely entrenched in their communities. If Buffalo got a second team, would you support them over the Sabres? Of course not. It's like that x 100 up there.

I'm sure everyone said the same thing about the Mets. If I'm a fan up there and can't get tickets to a Leafs game, why not go check out the new team? Before you know it you become a fan. I have no doubt at all a second team in both of those cities would do better than a lot of American markets

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:31 PM

I'm sure everyone said the same thing about the Mets. If I'm a fan up there and can't get tickets to a Leafs game, why not go check out the new team? Before you know it you become a fan. I have no doubt at all a second team in both of those cities would do better than a lot of American markets

That doesn't grow the game in America, which is the big picture. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:35 PM

I'm sure everyone said the same thing about the Mets. If I'm a fan up there and can't get tickets to a Leafs game, why not go check out the new team? Before you know it you become a fan. I have no doubt at all a second team in both of those cities would do better than a lot of American markets

 

There were always plenty of Yankee-haters in New York, left over from the Giants and Dodgers days.  A better comparison would be the LA Clippers.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:52 PM

What continues to amaze and piss me off is that Toronto and Montreal don't just get two freaking teams already. It's garbage 

 

A 2nd team in Toronto would be bad for the Sabres.

 

 

That doesn't grow the game in America, which is the big picture. 

 

This too.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:22 PM

I'm sure everyone said the same thing about the Mets. If I'm a fan up there and can't get tickets to a Leafs game, why not go check out the new team? Before you know it you become a fan. I have no doubt at all a second team in both of those cities would do better than a lot of American markets


Wouldn't the Sabres have to agree to Toronto getting a second team though?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:52 PM

Interesting that CBJ and DET move back to the West in this map.  I've wondered how a team in Quebec fits if they plan to keep those two teams in the East.  Sorry DET, you're on the wrong end of Lake Erie.


Living in Denver, I will be very upset if this somehow changes the current scheduling format where every team plays in every city at least once during the season.  The years where the Sabres came to Denver once every 3 years was terrible.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:03 PM

Great Lakes division...

BUF
TOR
DET
CHI
MTL
OTT
etc

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:23 PM

https://fivethirtyei...he-stanley-cup/

 

Start about mid-way down the article.

 

According to this analysis back in 2013, there are almost 10X more avid hockey fans in Toronto than in Buffalo. Heck, it says there are 2x as many as New York City, which has three teams already. 

Even if the conclusions of their analysis are off by a factor of 2 or 3, it still appears a second Toronto team would be highly viable. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:14 PM

https://fivethirtyei...he-stanley-cup/

 

Start about mid-way down the article.

 

According to this analysis back in 2013, there are almost 10X more avid hockey fans in Toronto than in Buffalo. Heck, it says there are 2x as many as New York City, which has three teams already. 

Even if the conclusions of their analysis are off by a factor of 2 or 3, it still appears a second Toronto team would be highly viable. 

Of course a 2nd team could work in Toronto. So what. It doesn't matter. You could add a team in Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, Hamilton and Saskatoon. All would be successful. It don't matter. The long term goal of the league is to grow the game in America. Like it or not, it's an American league that happens to have Canadian teams, no different than MLB or the NBA. The long term goal is a more lucrative TV deal in America. You don't get that by adding teams in Montreal and Toronto. 


Edited by Hank, 17 June 2017 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:48 PM

Any further expansion in the league will be to Seattle. Florida or Carolina will likely end up in Quebec.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:51 PM

Of course a 2nd team could work in Toronto. So what. It doesn't matter. You could add a team in Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, Hamilton and Saskatoon. All would be successful. It don't matter. The long term goal of the league is to grow the game in America. Like it or not, it's an American league that happens to have Canadian teams, no different than MLB or the NBA. The long term goal is a more lucrative TV deal in America. You don't get that by adding teams in Montreal and Toronto. 

I thought the analysis in the article was interesting and relevant to the discussion. 

Even if you're correct about the "long term goal" it doesn't mean a 2nd team in the greater Toronto area won't happen some day. It might anyway, whether through expansion or relocation.  



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

I think Oklahoma City should be the next expansion team. 

 

 

:ph34r:



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:46 PM

I think Oklahoma City should be the next expansion team. 

 

 

:ph34r:

You may not be old enough to remember but they were a finalist during a previous round of expansion. 



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:13 PM

You may not be old enough to remember but they were a finalist during a previous round of expansion. 

I'm honestly quite surprised to hear that. Sweet. 

Make it happen, Bettman! Get Flagg some NHL hockey to watch! 



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:01 PM

Hawaii is most likely on the radar next, lol.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:07 AM

You may not be old enough to remember but they were a finalist during a previous round of expansion.

The old CHL OKC Blazers used to average 10K+ in their heyday. And the old ECHL Las Vegas Wranglers drew very respectable crowds as well.

Other serious expansion /relocation markets include Seattle, Houston and Indianapolis.

Edited by PromoTheRobot, 19 June 2017 - 07:10 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:47 AM

The problem with OKC is they already have the Thunder.  Much like Buffalo, they may not have enough support for two winter teams.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:54 AM

What the NHL needs to understand is fan do not want geographical division names: The NHL has an imbalance of teams geographically anyway.

 

Make the division names from the old days: Adams, Smythe, etc. Want to add a new one or two? Gretzky, Orr division, something like that.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:44 AM

What the NHL needs to understand is fan do not want geographical division names: The NHL has an imbalance of teams geographically anyway.

 

Make the division names from the old days: Adams, Smythe, etc. Want to add a new one or two? Gretzky, Orr division, something like that.

 

I don't think division names make all that much difference to fans, but to casual observers who may become fans, using historical names in lieu of geographic names can be disorienting.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:59 AM

I never liked the idea of historical names for divisions, geographical all the way. Historical names can confuse people and rekks of favortism, whether perceived or true. Something the league already has a problem with.

I wouldn't want us to play Boston in the playoffs for the "Orr division". Would sting that much more when perceived calls go Boston's way etc