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Posted 02 June 2017 - 10:53 PM

It may well be unfair, but given the type of player he was, I have some concern that Boughner may be too sympathetic to the Deslauriers of the world for my liking. Maybe not players as bad as Deslauriers, but the bangers that don't do much else. Boughner says all the right things, and his work with Burns is encouraging, but it's something that'd be in the back of my head. I wouldn't have that concern with Housley.

Again, this may be wholly irrational, but he wouldn't be the first coach in history to be overly drawn to players like himself.

###### you for putting this fear in my head

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:02 PM

I've been drunkenly screaming at my brother for the past 20 mins.


My bro is one of those guys that thinks NHL coaching doesn't matter at all.


I've been screaming at him about how much Bylsma sucked. He's a dummy.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:04 PM

I've been drunkenly screaming at my brother for the past 20 mins.


My bro is one of those guys that thinks NHL coaching doesn't matter at all.


I've been screaming at him about how much Bylsma sucked. He's a dummy.

He would get along great with my idiot friend then

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 12:06 AM

I want someone who can run a high flying offensive attack and bring the defensemen up in the play as well, give me Sheldon Keefe, 36 years old, seems to really have the kids minds in the right places, I'd like to see this team be more innovative, give Keefe a shot.



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

How in the know about the Sabres Head Coaching Search would Craig Muni be?

There is a rumor traced to him, that it's Rick Tocchet.

Edited by BRAWNDO, 03 June 2017 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

Ya I knew almost nothing about Boughner prior to a couple of days ago.  After some research, I would be fine with him.  But please TPegs, no more 5 year deals.

 

Serious question:  why does this matter?  It's not like TP has been reluctant to jettison poor performers who have long-term contracts.

 

I think giving out fat contracts makes the Sabres a more attractive destination for top candidates.



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 09:25 AM

I started as a definite no to Tocchet. Seemed like an older retread, and the gambling thing didn't help. Seemed like JAG. I have been hearing quite a few positives lately that have me warming up to the idea if JBOT goes that way. Kessel said that Tocchet was the best assistant coach he ever played for. If Tocchet can relate to a D-Bag like Kessler, and relate to Crosby and Malkin at the same time, maybe there is something to him. Not saying I want him here, but I'm more open to the idea than I was 3 weeks ago.

The players love him, but can be coach Xs, and Os? I think Housley would be the most expierenced, especially with his International success.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 10:14 AM

The players love him, but can be coach Xs, and Os? I think Housley would be the most expierenced, especially with his International success.


Not sure I'd say Housley is more experienced. Frankly I'm good if it's Tocchet but I like Boughner number one then Housley or Tocchet next of the names I've heard.

Edited by Radar, 03 June 2017 - 10:17 AM.


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 10:52 AM

It's really hard not to equate a player's on-ice persona with his coaching acumen.
Or is there another reason why we think that Tocchet is an inferior X's and O's guy to Housley?

In terms of experience, Tocchet has seven years as an NHL assistant and two as a head coach compared to Housley's four and zero.
Neither has any significant coaching experience in the minors, juniors or college. Housley was head coach of the WJC 2013 championship team and has been an assistant with the men's national team three times. I'm not aware of any international coaching experience for Tocchet.

Both had long and ridiculously successful playing careers. Tocchet has one cup as a player and is two wins away from his second as an assistant coach. Housley is four wins away from his first.

Edited by dudacek, 03 June 2017 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 03 June 2017 - 01:09 PM

Serious question: why does this matter? It's not like TP has been reluctant to jettison poor performers who have long-term contracts.

I think giving out fat contracts makes the Sabres a more attractive destination for top candidates.


I realize Tpegs has not been shy to pay ppl to not work for either organization to this point. But I'm sure every man will come to a moment where enough is enough. Maybe I'm still just too use to ownership of past who either went bankrupt or were too cheap. Especially this offseason who is in the running that needs a 5 year deal vs 3 to take the job? I would be shocked if boughner, tochet or housley would need that incentive. Who are we in competition with? Florida? I would think the job should be pretty attractive on its own. Hiring someone like Babcock? Sure I give him what he wants but were talking about all unproven guys right now. I guess I'm just afraid the well will run dry one day and I don't want it to be because we gave too many poor coaches long term contracts. I'm on my phone so I apologize for the atrocious spelling in this post.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 04:00 PM

Article on Tocchet

http://www.tsn.ca/ea...-lists-1.769516

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:04 PM

Article on Tocchet
http://www.tsn.ca/ea...-lists-1.769516

Everything you read about the guy makes him look more and more like a top candidate.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:07 PM

Article on Tocchet

http://www.tsn.ca/ea...-lists-1.769516


That really is a great article. Or, at least it makes me more comfortable assuming Tocchet is going to be the guy. And given his history with JBot, why wouldn't he be? We all want to assume it'll be Housley, but the only thing I can think of blocking the Tocchet hire would be the gambling thing. He's otherwise very well qualified and checks all the boxes.

I was also wondering what has been going on in the Florida search. At least it sounds like they've been turning the stones while they wait for the SC to be over. They are likely targeting Housley as well, but Housley's going to want to move to Florida. I see Buffalo or Nashville more like Minnesota than Florida.

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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:31 PM

From the article: "He’s someone that Crosby said he “show me something” in the Xs and Os department, but also give Kessel a shot of confidence at the same time. It’s time for a second chance."

 

I don't really understand what this means regarding Xs and Os - is it saying that Crosby was impressed by him in this department? Due to recent events I value the system the coach inputs as much as his ability to manage and bring together a team full of individuals, especially because these particular individuals seem to need to buy into the system in order to be brought together.



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Posted 03 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

From the article: "He’s someone that Crosby said he “show me something” in the Xs and Os department, but also give Kessel a shot of confidence at the same time. It’s time for a second chance."[/size]
 
I don't really understand what this means regarding Xs and Os - is it saying that Crosby was impressed by him in this department? Due to recent events I value the system the coach inputs as much as his ability to manage and bring together a team full of individuals, especially because these particular individuals seem to need to buy into the system in order to be brought together.


I think it has two different meanings, both of which are very important, and two things you touched on. If Sidney Crosby is listening to Tocchet, one, Tocchet has some good system/hockey knowledge, and two, he can relate a message to guys that probably aren't the easiest to gain confidence from. I.e. - Sid really doesn't have to listen to anyone, at this point.

I think it means good things.

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 01:54 PM

Looks at this point, it's Tocchet, Housley or Boughner that JBOT will be interviewing and having the Pegula's take a look at.  He did say he would narrow it down to 2-3.  I'm OK with all 3 and they seem to be ready for the head job (as an aside, if I walked into my bosses' office and said I'm ready for a head job, security would be called.)



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:49 AM

It's Tocchet isn't it?  Listening on the way in it sounds like Housley is Florida's numero uno choice.  I think if he was JBott's number one choice we would have an ok shot at him.  But with the Pitt connection I think it's Tocchet.  What are our thoughts if that's the hire?  Everyone like me, which is unsure?

 

He made a mess in Tampa years ago, but then again Tampa was a mess when he arrived.  There's the whole gabbling ring issue.  However, there have been nothing but glowing reviews from current Penguin players including the special relationship he seems to share with Crosby.  Could that translate well to Jack's development?  I honestly don't know how I should feel about him taking over, if he takes over.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:43 AM

It's Tocchet isn't it?  Listening on the way in it sounds like Housley is Florida's numero uno choice.  I think if he was JBott's number one choice we would have an ok shot at him.  But with the Pitt connection I think it's Tocchet.  What are our thoughts if that's the hire?  Everyone like me, which is unsure?

 

He made a mess in Tampa years ago, but then again Tampa was a mess when he arrived.  There's the whole gabbling ring issue.  However, there have been nothing but glowing reviews from current Penguin players including the special relationship he seems to share with Crosby.  Could that translate well to Jack's development?  I honestly don't know how I should feel about him taking over, if he takes over.

I don't know who is better (Housley vs Tocchet) but I don't want to play second fiddle. I don't want to end up with Tocchet because Florida landed Housley. I want to know that we had the pick of the litter.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:46 AM

I don't know who is better (Housley vs Tocchet) but I don't want to play second fiddle. I don't want to end up with Tocchet because Florida landed Housley. I want to know that we had the pick of the litter.

 

The Sabres will have the pick of the litter.  They're able to outspend and it's not like the Florida job is more prestigious or anything.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:56 AM

I don't know that what Tocchet did was any more immoral than what the guy running the office pool does, except for richer people with much higher stakes. It was a crime because the state of New Jersey wasn't getting its take.

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=2882460

It was more than a decade ago, he didn't bet on hockey, and he paid for it.
He seems to have the respect of industry; one gets a sense that the hockey community looks at him with a bit of "poor guy, coulda been me"

So, no, the gambling doesn't worry me.
What worries me is his ability to coach, which is unproven.
But Botterill knows him well and is in an excellent position to judge.

Edited by dudacek, 08 June 2017 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:46 AM

I don't know that what Tocchet did was any more immoral than what the guy running the office pool does, except for richer people with much higher stakes. It was a crime because the state of New Jersey wasn't getting its take.

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=2882460

It was more than a decade ago, he didn't bet on hockey, and he paid for it.
He seems to have the respect of industry; one gets a sense that the hockey community looks at him with a bit of "poor guy, coulda been me"

So, no, the gambling doesn't worry me.
What worries me is his ability to coach, which is unproven.
But Botterill knows him well and is in an excellent position to judge.

 

I agree with you on the irrelevance of the gambling thing.

 

I look at Tocchet and Housley, and I remember them as players, and it always seemed to me that Housley was the more intelligent player.  That, and the fact that Tocchet didn't exactly wow anyone in Tampa, have me firmly in the Housley camp.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:50 AM

I don't care about the gambling thing. Anyone of us would've done the same thing (and do so when we don't declare our earnings in office pools or poker games or bets with friends). The only difference was the amount of money - about $1.7 million - exchanging hands. NJ saw a significant tax loss and went after them. However, Pegs may see differently.

I agree with you on the irrelevance of the gambling thing.

I look at Tocchet and Housley, and I remember them as players, and it always seemed to me that Housley was the more intelligent player. That, and the fact that Tocchet didn't exactly wow anyone in Tampa, have me firmly in the Housley camp.


The problem comes when JBott has to pick from someone he knows very well and who players openly praise or a person who is held in high regard, but he doesn't know him. I think I know how this is going to shake out.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:56 AM

It may well be unfair, but given the type of player he was, I have some concern that Boughner may be too sympathetic to the Deslauriers of the world for my liking. Maybe not players as bad as Deslauriers, but the bangers that don't do much else. Boughner says all the right things, and his work with Burns is encouraging, but it's something that'd be in the back of my head. I wouldn't have that concern with Housley.
Again, this may be wholly irrational, but he wouldn't be the first coach in history to be overly drawn to players like himself.


No, the concern w/ Housley is that he'd be too drawn to the Satans & other kitties that are afraid of certain areas of the ice in both ends. ;)

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 09:59 AM

I want Housley to be the next HC, the glaring weakness on the Sabres is the defense and I believe he is the right person to fix it.

There is turmoil in the locker room, it has been mentioned by Paul Hamilton, Rob Ray and Marty Biron at various points during the offseason. Hamilton went on to say that Kane was one of those involved. This is where the hiring of Rick Tocchet would get very muddled for the Sabres. If they want to stress character in the organization, what kind of message would hiring someone with a two year suspension on his resume send?

If the new coach is to restore order to the locker room, why would Kane listen someone telling him how to act both on and off the ice, when he has zero suspensions compared to Tocchet? Maybe Kane would like his style of coaching and respond to him. Who knows?

In the end Botterill has demonstrated he is good at picking coaches, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt on which ever coach he selects.

Interestingly Kris Knoblach of the Erie Otters has reported he has been contacted by a few organizations, I imagine Buffalo is one of them. Is it for the Sabres or Rochester though?

I was coming to write exactly this, so I will just quote you :thumbsup:

 

Housley is my choice to improve the defense and focus on team offense.

 

Tocchet scares me because his character issues of the past send a mixed message counter to the message from the Bills/Sabres/Pegula organizations that we are going to win with high character guys.



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Posted 08 June 2017 - 04:53 PM

If they want to stress character in the organization, what kind of message would hiring someone with a two year suspension on his resume send?


Fake news. He was only suspended for 3 months, partially because some punishment had to come down due to him pleading guilty to conspiracy to promote gambling.

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=3234595

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:23 PM

Fake news. He was only suspended for 3 months, partially because some punishment had to come down due to him pleading guilty to conspiracy to promote gambling.

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=3234595


Tocchet and Gretzky's wife...it always seemed strange to me. Just seems a little too convenient. Too much mob movie "fall guy" stuff.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:05 PM

I'm told Kris Knoblauch had meetings with #Sabres & #LAKings before deciding on #Flyers. Was scheduled to meet w/#Canucks, but never did.

Per Dhiren Mahican.

Wonder if it was for the HC Position in Rochester?

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:15 PM

Fake news. He was only suspended for 3 months, partially because some punishment had to come down due to him pleading guilty to conspiracy to promote gambling.

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=3234595

Twenty One Month Leave of Absence coupled with a Three Month Suspension still equals a two year absence from the game for the same infraction


And this little tidbit as well.

http://www.thenassau...20035&Itemid=27

Edited by BRAWNDO, 08 June 2017 - 07:20 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

Twenty One Month Leave of Absence coupled with a Three Month Suspension still equals a two year absence from the game for the same infraction


And this little tidbit as well.

http://www.thenassau...20035&Itemid=27

2 year absence does not mean 2 year suspension. Let's try to be accurate. It's for everyone's benefit. Remember, the NHL thought they had a much bigger mess on their hands - a NHL coach betting on NHL games and possibly throwing games. It doesn't get worse than that. Once the smoke cleared, this wasn't the case. NHL gave his wrist a slap. But yes, bringing that undeclared cash into the country doesn't look good. I would hope Pegs asks him about both instances.

Tocchet and Gretzky's wife...it always seemed strange to me. Just seems a little too convenient. Too much mob movie "fall guy" stuff.

So you think he took the fall to keep The Great One clear of the mess. I don't know. The Feds thought they had a much bigger fish on their line. Investigation was extensive and drawn out.

Edited by kas23, 08 June 2017 - 07:44 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 08:15 PM

2 year absence does not mean 2 year suspension. Let's try to be accurate. It's for everyone's benefit.

Ok fine, but three month suspension is still a suspension for an illegal off ice activity. Plus the arrest and guilty plea in the Bahamas in 2011 after pleading guilty in 2007.

I am resigned to the fact that Rick Tocchet will be the next Head Coach for the Sabres. Besides the off ice character issues, his coaching record is not that stellar. 80 points in 2009-10 and that's with St Louis and Stamkos each getting over 90 points.

He maybe the perfect coach for the Sabres, hell Crosby loves him, but on the surface it's very meh hire.

Dipping into the Penguins Organization for your GM, reportedly your Asst GM in Sexton and possibly your Head Coach is a little much for my taste. Success comes easier with Crosby and Malkin, I would prefer some new outside voices in the Sabres Organization as well

Edited by BRAWNDO, 08 June 2017 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2017 - 07:12 PM

Ok fine, but three month suspension is still a suspension for an illegal off ice activity. Plus the arrest and guilty plea in the Bahamas in 2011 after pleading guilty in 2007.

I am resigned to the fact that Rick Tocchet will be the next Head Coach for the Sabres. Besides the off ice character issues, his coaching record is not that stellar. 80 points in 2009-10 and that's with St Louis and Stamkos each getting over 90 points.

He maybe the perfect coach for the Sabres, hell Crosby loves him, but on the surface it's very meh hire.

Dipping into the Penguins Organization for your GM, reportedly your Asst GM in Sexton and possibly your Head Coach is a little much for my taste. Success comes easier with Crosby and Malkin, I would prefer some new outside voices in the Sabres Organization as well


I agree. I, too, want Housley. But the fact remains JBott has barely interviewed anyone for the HC position. I understand JBott could be completely locking down leaks from his side, but he can't stop leaks from the interviewee side. It's in a candidate's best interest to get his name out there as being interviewed. It's creates a market for him and gets his name on lists for future interviews, which is likely what the Boogie Man did. Other that him, we heard absolute silence.

So, either JBott is going to start this process once the SC is over or he's already made his mind up. He's going to go with what's comfortable for him. I think there's a 95% chance Tocchet is hired and we all better get used to it.

Who knows, he wasn't exactly thrown into a good situation in Tampa and only really got 1 solid year to prove himself. Most first time coaches don't do too well and perhaps he has learned some things over the years (it's been awhile).

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Posted 09 June 2017 - 08:25 PM

Boughner, Berube and Knoblauch have been reported from reputable sources, and Krueger was strongly hinted as well.
Montgomery, Reirden and Donatelli are also rumoured, although not confirmed. David Quinn seemed more speculation than rumour.
And also-rans have also heard they are also-rans.

Botterill said he intended to cast a wide net. I would be surprised if he hasn't.

IMO, he as a favourite or two and is waiting to see if Tocchet, Housley and possibly Martin also warrant a visit to meet the Pegulas.

Edited by dudacek, 09 June 2017 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:26 AM

Apparently it won't be Boughner.
But it will be whoever we want.
http://buffalonews.c...hner-new-coach/

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

Did Housley tell them no, since it was widely reported he was their number one choice and does that mean he has the inside track for the Sabres Job?

This from McKenzie as well

BUF is waiting for Cup final to end to interview Housley, and possibly PIT assistant coaches Rick Tocchet and Jacques Martin.

I'm fixated on the word possibly here.

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

Not shocking but the Sabres will not offer Berube the HC Job

Sabres also reportedly spoke with Craig Berube but @tpanotchCSN said they moved on past him. Fuels Tocchet/Housley speculation.

From Joe Yerdon

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:47 AM

The players down here love Phil Housley. He coaches the defensemen plus special teams. What I like most about the possibility of Housley is two things: (1) no matter whom the Preds plug in on the defensive end they seem to play well - journeymen, rookies, ... it doesn't matter; (2) the Preds play a unique 5-man system that I'd love to see in Buffalo if we can get the defensemen to play it. All defensemen have a green light at all times, with the forwards covering when they attack. To me, the system is what got the Preds to the Cup finals as much as anything. Speed and skill over "heavy" crasher and banger types. That's what I'd love to see in Buffalo. And, I think the fans would love that brand of hockey.

 



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

The players down here love Phil Housley. He coaches the defensemen plus special teams. What I like most about the possibility of Housley is two things: (1) no matter whom the Preds plug in on the defensive end they seem to play well - journeymen, rookies, ... it doesn't matter; (2) the Preds play a unique 5-man system that I'd love to see in Buffalo if we can get the defensemen to play it. All defensemen have a green light at all times, with the forwards covering when they attack. To me, the system is what got the Preds to the Cup finals as much as anything. Speed and skill over "heavy" crasher and banger types. That's what I'd love to see in Buffalo. And, I think the fans would love that brand of hockey.

Preach brother!!



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:04 AM

Preach brother!!


Looks like Bougner to Florida so maybe it's Housley to Buffalo

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:31 AM

Looks like Bougner to Florida so maybe it's Housley to Buffalo

 

Seems like it'll be Phil Housley or Rick Tocchet. Personally, I'm tired of the constant stream of Pittsburgh guys. Tocchet was head coach in Tampa for a couple of years and those teams were pretty terrible.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:34 AM

I'm totally on board with Housley, but I'm also a little disappointed Botterill won't have the chance to choose between him and Boughner. Yes, I'm conveniently ignoring the Tocchet possibility.