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#1 Eleven

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:39 AM

Resuming discussion.  I don't remember what the poll looked like other than it was overwhelmingly in favor of Phil Housley.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:40 AM

I think Housley could help our defense. Not sure if he's ready to be a head coach but I'd rather go new over a retread. Unless Laviolette magically got fired.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:45 AM

Funny cause Laviolettte is doing great but remember he was fired out of both Carolina (after winning their only Cup) and Philly...seems all coaches wear out their welcome at some point (even lindy who I thought may be here forever!)



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:07 PM

I started as a definite no to Tocchet.  Seemed like an older retread, and the gambling thing didn't help.  Seemed like JAG.  I have been hearing quite a few positives lately that have me warming up to the idea if JBOT goes that way.  Kessel said that Tocchet was the best assistant coach he ever played for.  If Tocchet can relate to a D-Bag like Kessler, and relate to Crosby and Malkin at the same time, maybe there is something to him.  Not saying I want him here, but I'm more open to the idea than I was 3 weeks ago.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:08 PM

Knee-jerk reaction to Disco Dan's flaws perhaps, but more than anything else, I want a real leader of men, who has an understanding of chemistry and the ability to adapt.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:18 PM

J-Bot needs to pick the right coach for this particular core group (ROR, Eichel, Risto, Lehner)...   not necessarily whoever the pundits think the best candidate is on paper.   

 

Maybe Housley doesn't have enough experience to lead a young core.     Maybe Tocchet does, who knows, but one thing is for certain....  J-Bot needs to connect with the players and get a feeling for what kind of HC they need, then conduct his interviews accordingly and hire whoever he determines to be the best match.     As fans we just need to trust that he's doing his due diligence on both fronts.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:22 PM

J-Bot needs to pick the right coach for this particular core group (ROR, Eichel, Risto, Lehner)...   not necessarily whoever the pundits think the best candidate is on paper.   

 

Maybe Housley doesn't have enough experience to lead a young core.     Maybe Tocchet does, who knows, but one thing is for certain....  J-Bot needs to connect with the players and get a feeling for what kind of HC they need, then conduct his interviews accordingly and hire whoever he determines to be the best match.     As fans we just need to trust that he's doing his due diligence on both fronts.

This.  Great points.  Unless it's Housley this board will probably have a severe overreaction.  But this is the right away to approach it IMO.  That room was fractured to the core.  We need a leader that can come in and pick up the pieces more than an x's and o's guy.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:23 PM

Knee-jerk reaction to Disco Dan's flaws perhaps, but more than anything else, I want a real leader of men, who has an understanding of chemistry and the ability to adapt.

 

Sounds like you want Krueger.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:38 PM

This.  Great points.  Unless it's Housley this board will probably have a severe overreaction.  But this is the right away to approach it IMO.  That room was fractured to the core.  We need a leader that can come in and pick up the pieces more than an x's and o's guy.

 

I'm not so sure the room is that fractured.  I think it's a case that as a group, they've never had "good times" and have been frustrated by losing.  The thing they need more than anything else is some wins.  That will heal any perceived fractures.  If they come out any better than .500 (in wins, not points) in their first 10 games, they will begin to believe in the new coach's system, and believe that their failures over the last couple years were due to DD's system.  And any crap in the locker room will heal over.  I don't see Kane or Moulson or Ennis or Bogo as a cancer in the locker room at this point.  Get 10, 20 games into the season and the team will gel.  Anyone that doesn't (and it could be anyone), well maybe then we need to talk about fixing the room.

 

It's a new day.  Everyone gets a fresh start.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:52 PM

To be honest I am not strongly for or against any of the names mentioned and that would even include bringing Lindy back. I've always thought should have kept him and fired Darcy.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:55 PM

Sounds like you want Krueger.

That's a wet dream.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:19 PM

Knee-jerk reaction to Disco Dan's flaws perhaps, but more than anything else, I want a real leader of men, who has an understanding of chemistry and the ability to adapt.


I see no reason we can't have the best of both worlds: what you describe who also has the Xs and Os down.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:22 PM

I see no reason we can't have the best of both worlds: what you describe who also has the Xs and Os down.

Really isn't a lot to ask. 



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:43 PM

Sounds like you want Krueger.

  

It's kinda like the GM search; unless it is known NHL quantity like Therrien, I have a hard time having strong feelings. You kinda have to trust that Jbot has a pretty clear vision of what he wants, that it is the right vision, and that he will be doing his homework on the candidates. He has said the right things.

That said, I do like me some Krueger.
 

I see no reason we can't have the best of both worlds: what you describe who also has the Xs and Os down.


Absolutely.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:05 PM

What happened to the old thread?

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:05 PM

This.  Great points.  Unless it's Housley this board will probably have a severe overreaction.  But this is the right away to approach it IMO.  That room was fractured to the core.  We need a leader that can come in and pick up the pieces more than an x's and o's guy.

I will react negatively IF Florida announces that Housley is their new coach, and a few days later, we announce 'it doesn't really even matter' as Buffalo's HC. I want to know that JBott signed who he wanted and the only way I will feel success is if Buffalo gets their coach in place before Florida. Yeah, still bitter that we lost Babcock and ended up with DB as a consolation prize.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:06 PM

I kind of get the feeling that our next coach hasn't quite finished with the 2016-17 season.  Otherwise we'd probably know who he is by now.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 05:12 PM

What happened to the old thread?

Lord Voldemort.


Anyways, I'm going to trust Botterill to find a good coach. The fact he hasn't just gone and got a, name already i think is good. He is at least being patient

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 10:19 PM

I want Housley to be the next HC, the glaring weakness on the Sabres is the defense and I believe he is the right person to fix it.

There is turmoil in the locker room, it has been mentioned by Paul Hamilton, Rob Ray and Marty Biron at various points during the offseason. Hamilton went on to say that Kane was one of those involved. This is where the hiring of Rick Tocchet would get very muddled for the Sabres. If they want to stress character in the organization, what kind of message would hiring someone with a two year suspension on his resume send?

If the new coach is to restore order to the locker room, why would Kane listen someone telling him how to act both on and off the ice, when he has zero suspensions compared to Tocchet? Maybe Kane would like his style of coaching and respond to him. Who knows?

In the end Botterill has demonstrated he is good at picking coaches, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt on which ever coach he selects.

Interestingly Kris Knoblach of the Erie Otters has reported he has been contacted by a few organizations, I imagine Buffalo is one of them. Is it for the Sabres or Rochester though?

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 07:39 AM

Lord Voldemort.


Anyways, I'm going to trust Botterill to find a good coach. The fact he hasn't just gone and got a, name already i think is good. He is at least being patient

 

I got the impression from the press conference that he was starting with a wide array of candidates and then narrowing it down to a few choices that he would introduce to the Pegula's to make a final call on.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 08:27 AM

I got the impression from the press conference that he was starting with a wide array of candidates and then narrowing it down to a few choices that he would introduce to the Pegula's to make a final call on.

Seems likely. He seems very methodical. He also is clearly trying to shore up the Sabres pipeline with his ECHL stuff and Rochester talk (and firing). Botterill seems like a man with a plan. Not a XGMTM type of plan but more of a step by step this is exactly how and when I will do things plan. Will it work? idk, but I will give him a chance. 



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 08:44 AM

Seems likely. He seems very methodical. He also is clearly trying to shore up the Sabres pipeline with his ECHL stuff and Rochester talk (and firing). Botterill seems like a man with a plan. Not a XGMTM type of plan but more of a step by step this is exactly how and when I will do things plan. Will it work? idk, but I will give him a chance. 

 

Yep. Nothing to do but wait and see at this point. I'm not optimistic about another Pittsburgh person but I'm not in charge and I don't spend money on the product anyway so they have no need to care what I think. I'll always be a fan but I'm done pouring my money into them for Center Ice, merchandise, and occasional tickets.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 08:50 AM

Scott Arniel was in Buffalo last night.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 08:54 AM

Scott Arniel was in Buffalo last night.

Interesting. That hire really wouldn't move the needle for me either way though



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:11 AM

Meh.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:37 AM

Per Pierre LeBrun

Hearing that Bob Boughner interviewed with Sabres GM Jason Botterill yesterday...

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:44 AM

nicknamed The Boogieman, is a Canadian former professional ice hockey defenceman and an assistant coach with the San Jose Sharks of the National Hockey League. As head coach of the Windsor Spitfires in the Ontario Hockey League, Boughner has won two Memorial Cup championships, in 2009 and 2010 and has won the Brian Kilrea Coach of the Year Award twice, in 2008 and 2010.

 

 

From wikipedia. So he's great with defensemen, and grooming and developing young kids. Seems solid


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:45 AM

Ya don't know a ton about him but his resume looks pretty good. Florida also interviewed him. In jbot I trust.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:46 AM

I'm greatly looking forward to all the crying about the Sabres hiring a former Sabre like it's a problem that so many former Sabres are coaches now. 



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:50 AM

Boughner headed a new ownership group in purchasing the then-struggling Windsor Spitfires in February 2006. He has been head coach of the team, as well as President & C.E.O., except during the 2010-11 season when Boughner served as an assistant coach with the Columbus Blue Jackets.[1][2]
 
In 2007–2008, he coached the Spitfires to the second best regular season finish in their history with 94 points, and was honored as OHL and CHL Coach of the Year.[3] On April 15, 2009, Boughner was named the OHL's coach of the year for the second year in a row.
 
On May 8, 2009, he coached the Windsor Spitfires to their first OHL championship in 21 years after finishing the regular season with a league best 115 points. Also, that same year went on to win Windsor's first Memorial Cup, becoming the first team to lose the first two games of the tournament and still win the Cup. Bougher's Spitfires successfully defended their Memorial Cup championship in 2010.
 
On June 24, 2009, he was selected by Hockey Canada to coach the National Under-18 hockey team at the Memorial of Ivan Hlinka Tournament. The team went on to dominate by going undefeated and won gold at the tournament.


More from wikipedia


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:52 AM

I loved Boughner as a player on those overachieving garbage teams + Hasek. Why the hell not?

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 09:53 AM

Article on our coaching search and Florida's involving him, some quotes from him, as well as some more history on him
 
http://www.mercuryne...coach-im-ready/
 
 

Boughner coached the Spitfires to Memorial Cup titles in 2009 and 2010, teams that featured a handful of current NHL players, including Taylor Hall, Ryan Ellis and Adam Henrique.
 
Boughner then became an assistant coach with Columbus for the 2010-11 season under Scott Arniel.
 
“I’m glad I did what I did,” Boughner said. “This is my third full year on an NHL bench and looking back, at the time when I won a couple (Memorial) Cups, I said, ‘I’m ready to go to the NHL.’ Well, it’s not as easy as you think.
 
“There’s a lot of learning and the league changes every year and team’s identities. You see teams, the L.A.’s — four or five years ago winning Stanley Cups. Now those teams are built completely different. Now it’s the teams, the Pittsburgh’s, the Nashville’s, all of these speedier teams. So, you’ve got to stay on top of it. You’ve got to know the league.
 
“I feel comfortable going into a position if I was fortunate to be in that position to one, to manage people. Managing NHLers is different than managing kids in the OHL. I know how teams are playing, their tendencies, their coaching. So that experience has helped me. I’m ready. I’m definitely ready and I want to get my own team.”


Sign me up for this guy. There isn't a single thing on his list that he hasn't done. Well, outside of win a Cup coaching


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:11 AM

Article on our coaching search and Florida's involving him, some quotes from him, as well as some more history on him
 
http://www.mercuryne...coach-im-ready/
 
 


Sign me up for this guy. There isn't a single thing on his list that he hasn't done. Well, outside of win a Cup coaching

Yep.  Based on the 15 min of research I've done on him he seems to check most of the boxes.  I doubt I'll react much either way to any hire.  Let's wait until Christmas and I'll tell you then if it was a good choice or not.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:19 AM

LeBrun tweeting that Bob Bougner interviewed for Sabres job yesterday. hmmm

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:24 AM

LeBrun tweeting that Bob Bougner interviewed for Sabres job yesterday. hmmm

An hour late to the party my friend :lol:



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:29 AM

Interesting that the "tough" guys have landed the GM spot and possible HC gig.



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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:32 AM

Housley or Ruff.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:34 AM

I'm greatly looking forward to all the crying about the Sabres hiring a former Sabre like it's a problem that so many former Sabres are coaches now. 

I don't care if the Sabres hire an ex-Sabre to be the coach. I care if the Sabres hire an ex-Sabre to be the coach BECAUSE he's an ex-Sabre. Stop pandering to us, hire someone good. If Boogie is that, then cool.

 

Interesting that the "tough" guys have landed the GM spot and possible HC gig.

I always figure this is because of 2 things:

 

1) The skilled guys get paid enough that they don't really worry about getting a job after they retire and

 

2) the more skilled guys are the harder it is to teach that skill. Guys who had to scrap (as in work, not literally fight) for every morsel of playing time know what it takes to get better. Skilled guys can skate (har) by on that inherent talent alone. Not that it doesn't take hard work for them as well, but the old "you can't teach speed" cliche comes in to play here.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 10:48 AM

An hour late to the party my friend :lol:

was looking not well enough i guess... dollar short too

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't care if the Sabres hire an ex-Sabre to be the coach. I care if the Sabres hire an ex-Sabre to be the coach BECAUSE he's an ex-Sabre. Stop pandering to us, hire someone good. If Boogie is that, then cool.

 

I always figure this is because of 2 things:

 

1) The skilled guys get paid enough that they don't really worry about getting a job after they retire and

 

2) the more skilled guys are the harder it is to teach that skill. Guys who had to scrap (as in work, not literally fight) for every morsel of playing time know what it takes to get better. Skilled guys can skate (har) by on that inherent talent alone. Not that it doesn't take hard work for them as well, but the old "you can't teach speed" cliche comes in to play here.

 

How would anyone know the difference? It's just going to be "choose your own narrative".