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2017-18 lineup prediction (the Original Lineup Thread)


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:39 AM

What is the downside to spreading our six "best" forwards over three balanced lines — Jack/Pommers, ROR/KO, Sam/Evander?

Have Girgensons, Pouliot, Moulson and the Rochester four battle it out for the other three spots, with Grumpy Larry as the tenth forward.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:42 AM

What is the downside to spreading our six "best" forwards over three balanced lines — Jack/Pommers, ROR/KO, Sam/Evander?

Have Girgensons, Pouliot, Moulson and the Rochester four battle it out for the other three spots, with Grumpy Larry as the tenth forward.

 

I really like the idea of Sam centering Evander, even though I think the analytics say Eichel centering Evander was the most productive for both. I'd be curious to see the former, though.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:44 AM

Or Girgs and Grumpy Larry battle it out for the final center spot.

 

I'd love to see Sam/Evander with a little Pomminstein added.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:52 AM

I really like the idea of Sam centering Evander, even though I think the analytics say Eichel centering Evander was the most productive for both. I'd be curious to see the former, though.

Jack and Evander had a great scoring rate together but a ludicrously high GA/60, much higher than their GF/60, so I don't know that they're a good pair unless you have a good defensive winger on the other side and use them appropriately.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 12:39 PM

Interesting stats-based lineup prediction/analysis over at The Buffalo Star today, including links to supplemental reading for those who want to dig deeper. 

https://www.thebuffa...revised-roster/

That was a really good read. If that's the type of quality we get from The Buffalo Star, consider me on board.

 

Interesting that the style analysis say give Zemgus a shot on Eichel's wing. That and the placement of Reinhart as 3rd line center with Pouliot and Larrson (not sure about Larry at RW, but interesting nonetheless)



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

Or Girgs and Grumpy Larry battle it out for the final center spot.

 

And if GIrgs wins, trade the latter!



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 01:53 PM

And if GIrgs wins, trade the latter!

 

Maybe, maybe not.  DDB slotted the players they way he thought best.  We have known for a while, his thinking isn't always the most insightful.  Let the new regime slot their players in the way they think best, then figure out how to best to allocate the leavings.


Maybe one silver lining coming out of the DDB era is that a lot of the players won't take their positions for granted under Housley.  DDB messed with the natural order of things enough that the players have seen how bad it can be, so hopefully they will be open to Housley's version of the lineup.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 02:01 PM

I think this board underestimates the contributions that Johan Larsson made to this team last year before being injured. 



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 02:19 PM

I think this board underestimates the contributions that Johan Larsson made to this team last year before being injured. 

 

Agreed.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:01 PM

That was a really good read. If that's the type of quality we get from The Buffalo Star, consider me on board.

Interesting that the style analysis say give Zemgus a shot on Eichel's wing. That and the placement of Reinhart as 3rd line center with Pouliot and Larrson (not sure about Larry at RW, but interesting nonetheless)


Zemgus with Eichel is something I think a lot of us want to see tried out.

I think Reinhart and Larsson might switch off center duty on that third line. It could work.

I think this board underestimates the contributions that Johan Larsson made to this team last year before being injured.


Yup.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:42 PM

Larsson will be a good player for Buffalo

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 04:47 PM

I think this board underestimates the contributions that Johan Larsson made to this team last year before being injured. 

 

I don't; it's more probable that I overestimate Zemgus's ceiling...



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 05:37 PM

What is the downside to spreading our six "best" forwards over three balanced lines — Jack/Pommers, ROR/KO, Sam/Evander?

Have Girgensons, Pouliot, Moulson and the Rochester four battle it out for the other three spots, with Grumpy Larry as the tenth forward.

 

Dilution of scoring on the two lines that get the most ice time.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 05:55 PM

I think this board underestimates the contributions that Johan Larsson made to this team last year before being injured.


I'm going to be paying particular attention to Larsson this season. I didn't notice a ton that made me appreciate him last season, so I'm chalking that up to not focussing on him enough.

Zemgus with Eichel is something I think a lot of us want to see tried out.
I think Reinhart and Larsson might switch off center duty on that third line. It could work.

Yup.


Isn't it established that Larsson hasn't been a good winger? Much less on his off side. I don't he's slotted in as a RW at all.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:33 PM

* Jack Eichel starts off slow and the pundits point to the burden of his $10 million contract and the C at age 20 as a major reason why. His epic meltdown responding to Paul Hamilton after a 6-2 December loss at home to Florida breaks the internet.
* A rotating band including Griffin, Rodrigues, CJ Smith and Josefsen audition on Jack's RW, none for more than three games at a time as Housley searches for chemistry. Finally, Brian Gionta is coaxed out of retirement after Christmas to do the job.
*Matt Moulson however is stapled to Jack's left side. Housley preaches patience for the veteran despite numbers even lower than 15-16. Nylander fails to make the team out of camp and returns to Sweden, pouting.
* Ryan O'Reilly skates 26 minutes a night, most of them with the ghost of Jason Pominville attached to his right hip and the corpse of Benoit Pouliot tied to his left.
* After failing on Jack's right side, Rodrigues is annointed by Housley as the team's third-line centre. A disgruntled Larsson plays on his left side. A very quiet Sam Reinhart plays on his right as Housley tries to mould Sam's defensive game and demands more hitting.
* Kyle Okposo is declared physically unable to perform due to complications from his stint in the ICU.
* Evander Kane feuds with Housley, gets punched by Lehner in a locker room dust-up and is demoted to the fourth line. He eventually is traded to the Bruins for a second-rounder and Matt Belesky after he, Scandella and Beaulieu are caught in Montreal with hookers and blow.
* Baptiste, Bailey and Fasching fail to make the team. Josefson and Deslauriers are the main fourth liners with placid Girgensons functioning as the 13 forward.
* Risto gets injured and McCabe self-destructs from trying to do to much in Housley's attacking system. Antipin returns to Russia after Matt Tennyson beats him out for the seventh defenceman slot in camp. Josh Gorges plays on the first pair with Risto to start the season and with Jake in that role after 55 goes down.
* Bogo looks every inch a top-three draft pick until separating his shoulder in the 12th game. His return ends after three games with a torn meniscus before a rare viral infection ends his season for good.
* Robin Lehner is everything D4rk suspected.

I like team Sunshine and Kittens much better, don't you?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:13 AM

I suppose we should just make this the official lineup discussion thread so we're not posting lineups in multiple places?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:56 AM

I suppose we should just make this the official lineup discussion thread so we're not posting lineups in multiple places?

Agreed. Amend the title

 

@JourdonLaBarber
New units on the power play as well:
 
Unit 1: Eichel-Kane-Pominville-O'Reilly-Ristolainen
Unit 2: Griffith-Okposo-Pouliot-Beaulieu-Tennyson
 
Reinhart completely taken off the PP

Edited by WildCard, 11 October 2017 - 09:56 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:57 AM

Since this one was a preseason prediction thread and the other one is opening night and newer (at least based on the title), I'm going to lock this one so lineup discussion can be consolidated in the other one.