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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:15 PM

This is a takeoff on the more conservative, "tweak" approach dudacek seems to propose in his "What's our best move?" poll. Add a defenseman, drop a disappointing coach.

 

I'd like to think bigger, bolder, brasher. This franchise needs a jolt, a shock, an ice-bucket challenge. But what?

 

I'd make a poll, but I don't think I have that many ideas.

 

A hockey czar would be one approach. Almost by definition, that would entail cleaning front-office house and shaking up the roster and maybe taking a step back, if that's even possible.

 

Trading an untradeable would be another. The return on an Eichel would have to be real and spectacular.

 

Finally, there's an approach that would seem to fly in the face of my anti-meddling philosophy: if Pegulas are gonna Pegul, then change up the Pegulas. If Kim and Terry want to focus like a laser beam on the Bills, they should give Terry's oldest children operational control of the Sabres.

 

Like that infamous orangutan said, "What the hell do you have to lose?!"

 

Snark is invited, but I'm really interested in outside the box ideas that could radically change the path we're on, which appears to be a path toward a first-round exit in 2019 (followed by a parade, of course).


Edited by PASabreFan, 20 March 2017 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:20 PM

This is a takeoff on the more conservative, "tweak" approach dudacek seems to propose in his "What's our best move?" poll. Add a defenseman, drop a disappointing coach.
 
I'd like to think bigger, bolder, brasher. This franchise needs a jolt, a shock, an ice-bucket challenge. But what?
 
I'd make a poll, but I don't think I have that many ideas.
 
A hockey czar would be one approach. Almost by definition, that would entail cleaning front-office house and shaking up the roster and maybe taking a step back, if that's even possible.
 
Trading an untradeable would be another. The return on an Eichel would have to be real and spectacular.
 
Finally, there's an approach that would seem to fly in the face of my anti-meddling philosophy: if Pegulas are gonna Pegul, then change up the Pegulas. If Kim and Terry want to focus like a laser beam on the Bills, they should give Terry's oldest children operational control of the Sabres.
 
Like that infamous orangutan said, "What the hell do you have to lose?!"
 
Snark is invited, but I'm really interested in outside the box ideas that could radically change the path we're on, which appears to be a path toward a first-round exit in 2019 (followed by a parade, of course).

Eichel for Nolan Patrick, a #1 D and next years first.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:29 PM

remain patient.

 

this team is closer than we think.   replace a few aging vets with bad contracts, add a few pieces on D, and it likely results in a playoff birth.

 

the wrong thing to do at this point would be a major overhaul... you don't do that mid-rebuild.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

This Church of Moulson kool aid drinker has the right idea.

 

I agree that we are closer than some may think.

 

The difference between stinky and very good in the NHL is not great.

 

If Murray addresses the weakness in the D in the off-season I think we have a reasonable good chance to be a playoff cusp (hi PA) team next season.

 

A major move would be counter productive at this point, IMHO.  Sorry, PA.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:41 PM

Keeping Bylsma as a head coach. It's suicidal 



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:03 PM

Heard an announcer the other day in game between chi and leaves that the hawks didnt start winning till they learned how to play D. The hawks right now have some puck moving D and Panarin is thereal deal.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

take your money from extra cap space, and hire lobbyists to push to reinstate two-line pass infractions. that's the only way to neuter DD's ###### system.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:10 PM

There are a million ill-advised panic moves they could make.

 

The prudent thing for TP/KP to do is to understand that they hired someone to do a total rebuild, that a total rebuild takes time, and that there are going to be a few hiccups along the way.

 

They need to let GMTM build it his way and to hold him accountable for the results -- but not until enough time has passed.  Two NHL seasons following the intentional icing of one of the worst teams in NHL history for a 2-year period is not remotely close enough to being enough time.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:12 PM

A thing we could realistically do that would be bold, besides fire Dan?

 

Trade Kane for a d-man

 

Go and trade for RNH



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:30 PM

Trade half the team for Brent Burns

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:49 PM

Move the team to another city.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:53 PM

Move the team to another city.

Cleveland it is



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:54 PM

Take out Laine, McDavid and Matthews for Jack? Make Babcock disappear.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:59 PM

Heard an announcer the other day in game between chi and leaves that the hawks didnt start winning till they learned how to play D. The hawks right now have some puck moving D and Panarin is thereal deal.

 

Yep.  

 

IMO, the defensive lapses are due mostly to the forwards not executing their defensive responsibilities.   The lack of resistance through the neutral zone often leaves our defensemen defending odd man situations deep in our zone... which can make any NHL caliber defenseman look foolish at times.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:05 PM

This is a takeoff on the more conservative, "tweak" approach dudacek seems to propose in his "What's our best move?" poll. Add a defenseman, drop a disappointing coach.

 

I'd like to think bigger, bolder, brasher. This franchise needs a jolt, a shock, an ice-bucket challenge. But what?

 

I'd make a poll, but I don't think I have that many ideas.

 

A hockey czar would be one approach. Almost by definition, that would entail cleaning front-office house and shaking up the roster and maybe taking a step back, if that's even possible.

 

Trading an untradeable would be another. The return on an Eichel would have to be real and spectacular.

 

Finally, there's an approach that would seem to fly in the face of my anti-meddling philosophy: if Pegulas are gonna Pegul, then change up the Pegulas. If Kim and Terry want to focus like a laser beam on the Bills, they should give Terry's oldest children operational control of the Sabres.

 

Like that infamous orangutan said, "What the hell do you have to lose?!"

 

Snark is invited, but I'm really interested in outside the box ideas that could radically change the path we're on, which appears to be a path toward a first-round exit in 2019 (followed by a parade, of course).

:doh:



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:06 PM

There are a million ill-advised panic moves they could make.

The prudent thing for TP/KP to do is to understand that they hired someone to do a total rebuild, that a total rebuild takes time, and that there are going to be a few hiccups along the way.

They need to let GMTM build it his way and to hold him accountable for the results -- but not until enough time has passed. Two NHL seasons following the intentional icing of one of the worst teams in NHL history for a 2-year period is not remotely close enough to being enough time.

This is what I think too.

But in the spirit of original post:
Move Jack to D. It would use our biggest strength to address our biggest weakness.

Sure he might struggle initially with the defensive coverage, but you know he'd be Bobby Orr back there offensively pretty much immediately. He's strong on the boards and would be even better than Risto at skating or passing the puck out of the zone.
Who would be a better puck-moving defenceman? Karlsson maybe? Who has a bettter cannon from the point?
Can he really be worse than Bogosian at defending?

Sam can develop into a Bergeron/Toews level first line centre as he gets to shine in his rightful position feeding Kane.
And everybody knows it is far easier to acquire a winger to do what Sam does now than it is to get a defenceman to do what we'd be asking Jack to do.

We've been playing Sam out of position pretty much all year.
Why not give it a try with Jack?

Edited by dudacek, 20 March 2017 - 03:08 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:10 PM

This is what I think too.

But in the spirit of original post:
Move Jack to D. It would use our biggest strength to address our biggest weakness.

Sure he might struggle initially with the defensive coverage, but you know he'd be Bobby Orr back there offensively pretty much immediately. He's strong on the boards and would be even better than Risto at skating or passing the puck out of the zone.
Who would be a better puck-moving defenceman? Karlsson maybe? Who has a bettter cannon from the point?
Can he really be worse than Bogosian at defending?

Sam can develop into a Bergeron/Toews level first line centre as he gets to shine in his rightful position feeding Kane.
And everybody knows it is far easier to acquire a winger to do what Sam does now than it is to get a defenceman to do what we'd be asking Jack to do.

We've been playing Sam out of position pretty much all year.
Why not give it a try with Jack?

 

It's interesting, I'll give you that.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:28 PM

Cleveland it is

 

I was thinking Atlanta. Third time's the charm, right?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:37 PM

This is what I think too.

But in the spirit of original post:
Move Jack to D. It would use our biggest strength to address our biggest weakness.

Sure he might struggle initially with the defensive coverage, but you know he'd be Bobby Orr back there offensively pretty much immediately. He's strong on the boards and would be even better than Risto at skating or passing the puck out of the zone.
Who would be a better puck-moving defenceman? Karlsson maybe? Who has a bettter cannon from the point?
Can he really be worse than Bogosian at defending?

Sam can develop into a Bergeron/Toews level first line centre as he gets to shine in his rightful position feeding Kane.
And everybody knows it is far easier to acquire a winger to do what Sam does now than it is to get a defenceman to do what we'd be asking Jack to do.

We've been playing Sam out of position pretty much all year.
Why not give it a try with Jack?

Very nice.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:48 PM

OK. 

 

Here goes ...

 

Move Samson to goal (I think he is taller than Jack, but if Jack is taller put him in net) ... the other can play wing to replace Kane.

 

Put Lehner and his mean streak on D ... he'll be the second coming of Korab, or Schoney, maybe Playfair.

 

Now we need a centre, or 2, so put Kane there and try one of the call ups today at centre too, why not.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:52 PM

I was thinking Atlanta. Third time's the charm, right?

I too think we belong in Atlantis



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:04 PM

I too think we belong in Atlantis

 

The problem, of course, is that Atlantis has rings.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:07 PM

The Flint Sabres has a nice ring to it.

 

A bold move is trading for two young and mostly unproven D-men to round out our defence. Guys with like less than 50 games played and who are not considered up and coming stars



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:12 PM

This is what I think too.

But in the spirit of original post:
Move Jack to D. It would use our biggest strength to address our biggest weakness.

Sure he might struggle initially with the defensive coverage, but you know he'd be Bobby Orr back there offensively pretty much immediately. He's strong on the boards and would be even better than Risto at skating or passing the puck out of the zone.
Who would be a better puck-moving defenceman? Karlsson maybe? Who has a bettter cannon from the point?
Can he really be worse than Bogosian at defending?

Sam can develop into a Bergeron/Toews level first line centre as he gets to shine in his rightful position feeding Kane.
And everybody knows it is far easier to acquire a winger to do what Sam does now than it is to get a defenceman to do what we'd be asking Jack to do.

We've been playing Sam out of position pretty much all year.
Why not give it a try with Jack?

 

This is ridiculous. ROR would be a Norris-calibre D, not Jack.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:18 PM

Dan, Terry, Bob to the booth and RJ, Rayzor, Dunleavy behind the bench?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:35 PM

Dan, Terry, Bob to the booth and RJ, Rayzor, Dunleavy behind the bench?

I actually like this!

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:40 PM

Dump GMTM and DD and hire Dean Lombardi and Darryl Sutter (who the LA Kings reporter of the LA Times said on NHLNetwork Radio today that both guys may be gone after this season).


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:47 PM

Dump GMTM and DD and hire Dean Lombardi and Darryl Sutter (who the LA Kings reporter of the LA Times said on NHLNetwork Radio today that both guys may be gone after this season).

 

I don't think I like the Kings style any more than DD, although I might be getting them mixed up with the Ducks.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:49 PM

I don't think I like the Kings style any more than DD, although I might be getting them mixed up with the Ducks.

 

Right, but CUPS, man.  CUPS!! (not cusps).



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:03 PM

Screw Lombardi, he's not any good anyways. Take Suter though



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:15 PM

Not big on a retread, but I'd look at Sutter for sure.
At least the pressers would be fun.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:11 PM

Not big on a retread, but I'd look at Sutter for sure.
At least the pressers would be fun.

Best coach face since Gruden?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:24 PM

Does Dean coach all his teams like he coaches the Kings? I'm not sure we have the personnel.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:16 AM

if Pegulas are gonna Pegul,

 

pegulas-pegulas-gonna-pegul.jpg


The return on an Eichel would have to be real and spectacular.

:doh:

 

Two words:  Eric Lindros.  It brought two Cups to the Nordiques.  (Ummmm.... after they moved to Colorado though.  :unsure: )


Move Jack to D.

 

That's a coach's move, not a GM's, but okay, I'm in.  Scotty Bowman did it with Federov, and it made him a much better all around player.  He certainly wasn't a liability on D with his skill set.

 

The reason Bowman did it with Federov was that he'd run into an offensive funk.  I'm not sure you do that with Jack just as he's emerging as an offensive power.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:37 AM

Does Dean coach all his teams like he coaches the Kings? I'm not sure we have the personnel.

 

:unsure:

 

Dean's the GM, right?



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:05 AM

Make you the GM.  



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:10 AM

remain patient.

 

this team is closer than we think.   replace a few aging vets with bad contracts, add a few pieces on D, and it likely results in a playoff birth.

 

the wrong thing to do at this point would be a major overhaul... you don't do that mid-rebuild.

this is about the most sane and truthful thing I have seen in a while...we are closer then we think and injuries (especially Jack missing so many games then not being near 100% for another bunch as well as Kane, OReilly, just about all the D-men) have taken their tool this year. Think where we'd be if we had a healthy year like the leafs and we didn;t miss these players like we did...Jack would be at around 30 to 35 goals, Kane would easily be over 30, and with all the injuries on the D maybe Kulikov would have shown he's much better then we've seen this year


This is ridiculous. ROR would be a Norris-calibre D, not Jack.

actually does trying OReilly on D make sense???just might (certainly not jack)



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

remain patient.
 
this team is closer than we think.   replace a few aging vets with bad contracts, add a few pieces on D, and it likely results in a playoff birth.
 
the wrong thing to do at this point would be a major overhaul... you don't do that mid-rebuild.


You ahould be reported for not following the thread. Darcy is that you?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:26 PM

this is about the most sane and truthful thing I have seen in a while...we are closer then we think and injuries (especially Jack missing so many games then not being near 100% for another bunch as well as Kane, OReilly, just about all the D-men) have taken their tool this year. Think where we'd be if we had a healthy year like the leafs and we didn;t miss these players like we did...Jack would be at around 30 to 35 goals, Kane would easily be over 30, and with all the injuries on the D maybe Kulikov would have shown he's much better then we've seen this year

 

 

I don't think injuries really played a very big role in where this team ended up in the standings.   Goal scoring has been decent.... defensively they have not been very good, and it's not all on the defensemen.    The forwards are still learning how to defend in all areas of the ice.    As Eichel said in his latest interview he is primarily focused on improving his defensive play and wants to be trusted to play late in tight games, etc... where he can use his skillset to defend.     For all the points he's scored, he's still a -9 on the season.     Kane a -15, Reinhart a -10.    Those 3 spent a good amount of time together this season and they were collectively a -34 at even strength.     That has to change and it starts with committing to focus on learning how to defend.