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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:29 AM

We have what? 3 bad contracts? And 2 of them really aren't terrible. You want bad contracts? Lucic, Ladd, Brown, DiPietro, any goalie in Dallas


Moulson, Ennis and Bogo are pretty horrible contracts, that take up 20% of our cap. Gorges sucks as well, but at least it's a reasonable buy out.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:31 AM

Moulson, Ennis and Bogo are pretty horrible contracts, that take up 20% of our cap. Gorges sucks as well, but at least it's a reasonable buy out.

Ennis and Bogo have what? 3 more years? Ennis is a pretty moveable contract too

Did GMTM even give Ennis that deal?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:32 AM

Ennis and Bogo have what? 3 more years? Ennis is a pretty moveable contract too
Did GMTM even give Ennis that deal?

Yes.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 01:10 AM

As bad as we were I don't think you fire a GM 3 off seasons in.  You have to give the draft picks time to develop. 

 

I think he gets that time (at least 2 more off seasons) and the opportunity to pick one more coach.  Then it all has to come together to keep his job. 



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:05 AM

Ennis was signed when we had nobody signed and GMTM had cleaned house and we needed contracts to reach the minimum cap level way back when...then we suddenly started signing other guys and drafting good players and now that deal seems rather silly. In GMTM's defense, at the time Ennis looked like a very good player, but under Blysma (like many others) he is being held back and (like so many others) looks so unsure and lost at many points throughout any given game  



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:09 AM

Ennis deal isn't bad if he was playing and producing at the level he was when he signed it. Those concussions really have screwed him. Hopefully he recovers



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:21 AM

Ennis deal isn't bad if he was playing and producing at the level he was when he signed it. Those concussions really have screwed him. Hopefully he recovers

 

Yep, wish Ennis was still playing this well.  

 



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:31 AM

Blysma" "system" is killing Tyler too...



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 09:05 AM

Is the timing not a big factor here? If ownership has any doubt that Murray is the guy (and they should have doubts), then how could all this play out if they let Murray fire Bylsma? Murray hires a new coach, who is then an ex-coach in one or two seasons when they have to fire Murray? Almost seems like Murray and Bylsma have to stay or go as a couple.



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

I think Tyler's concussions are what killed Tyler. It's sad, but he should hang 'em up.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 11:25 AM

Blysma" "system" is killing Tyler too...

I just think he's shot, and he needs a new start somewhere for any chance to turn things around.  It's not going to happen here.



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:07 PM

I think it has bubble team skill level.  I also think there is an intangibles problem.


There IS an intangibles problem, and it stands behind the middle of the bench every single game.

The '89 Bills had an intangibles problem. The got rid of Smerlas & Devlin & the team immediately went to 4 straight Superbowls. This team is too young to be in the Finals next season, but get rid of Bylsma & a TON of dysfunction goes away.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:20 PM

Have you seen the talent on the Canes and Leafs? We're so much better on paper, yet so so much worse on the ice. It's too significant to be written off as our players not being as good as we thought they were. Especially when every single player acquired from elsewhere's stats have dropped significantly with Bylsma.


On paper, how many times have I heard that in my seventy four years. Anyway,I think we are better on paper than the Canes in high end talent but possibly up and down the whole roster, not sure. Toronto, sorry I'm not sure we're better on paper there either. Having said that I'm still all in for a coaching change.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

Toronto's defense is a disaster (Reilly isn't even that good and he's by far their best) and up front they are getting a pile of milage from players playing way over their heads (see Kadri)...clearly it takes a good coach to, if nothing else, find the players individual strengths and use them to that strength. we have Blysma trying to get everyone to play one system and that is sit back and hang on for dear life...oh by the way, it ain't working just as it isn't with Lindy in dallas who try the exact same thing


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 12:18 PM

Gardnier is Tor's best defender and has grown into an all-star type player.

My man Harrington and I are on the same, again. http://buffalonews.c...e-excuses-will/ A little scary actually, but like I said at the bieginning of this thread, if (when?) GMTM fires DD, he owns the success or failure going forward. If the new coach fails, then both he and Murray will be out the door.

He also makes a great point that the team has remained in games, even out West, for at least 40 minutes. Has DD lost the guys if they are still playing hard? It's a fair point. While I'd still like to see what DD could do with a full roster of real D, I believe GMTM will still scapegoat him for the team's lack of standings improvement. GMTM better fix the roster and hire the right guy, because he is one the hot seat the day he fires DD.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 12:37 PM

Gardnier is Tor's best defender and has grown into an all-star type player.

My man Harrington and I are on the same, again. http://buffalonews.c...e-excuses-will/ A little scary actually, but like I said at the bieginning of this thread, if (when?) GMTM fires DD, he owns the success or failure going forward. If the new coach fails, then both he and Murray will be out the door.

He also makes a great point that the team has remained in games, even out West, for at least 40 minutes. Has DD lost the guys if they are still playing hard? It's a fair point. While I'd still like to see what DD could do with a full roster of real D, I believe GMTM will still scapegoat him for the team's lack of standings improvement. GMTM better fix the roster and hire the right guy, because he is one the hot seat the day he fires DD.

As much as we disagree about the job he has done up to this point, I don't think anyone disagrees that he has to nail the next coach and this team has to be a lot better next year.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 12:47 PM

Remained in games? Every game on that road trip we were outshot 2-1.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 12:54 PM

Gardnier is Tor's best defender and has grown into an all-star type player.

My man Harrington and I are on the same, again. http://buffalonews.c...e-excuses-will/ A little scary actually, but like I said at the bieginning of this thread, if (when?) GMTM fires DD, he owns the success or failure going forward. If the new coach fails, then both he and Murray will be out the door.

He also makes a great point that the team has remained in games, even out West, for at least 40 minutes. Has DD lost the guys if they are still playing hard? It's a fair point. While I'd still like to see what DD could do with a full roster of real D, I believe GMTM will still scapegoat him for the team's lack of standings improvement. GMTM better fix the roster and hire the right guy, because he is one the hot seat the day he fires DD.

It's a specious point at best.  As WC just pointed out, we're getting outshot horribly.  And when something goes right, it could be *in spite of* the system.  Guys could also be trying hard for themselves or each other -- it doesn't have to be a sign that they believe in the coach.  Sometimes people give a good effort even if they don't like their boss.

 

If literally EVERYTHING were going wrong, Harrington would probably be saying that it's proof the team is so bad that no coach could help them.  We're talking about a newspaper writer that is so upset about the tank that he literally tweets about it every day on Twitter two years later.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:15 PM

The last 5 games we've been outshoot, but not nearly as bad as people think, except the stinker in SJ.
Here are the numbers
39-32,
36-31,
42-23,
36-26, (and this game was 21-24 after the 1st period)
40-31,

No question we get out shot every night and sometimes badly, our possession numbers stink, and we are slow defensively, but the gap is not nearly as bad as people think. The season numbers are 34.3 to 30.2. 4 shots a game isn't giving up 2 to 1.

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:18 PM

I'd like to know just how many games we've actually outshot and outchanced another team

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

I'd like to know just how many games we've actually outshot and outchanced another team

I don't have score-adjusted corsi, but we have out-corsi'd our opponents 20 times in 72 games. We out-chanced other teams 26 times in 72 games.


No question we get out shot every night and sometimes badly, our possession numbers stink, and we are slow defensively, but the gap is not nearly as bad as people think. The season numbers are 34.3 to 30.2. 4 shots a game isn't giving up 2 to 1.

It is third-worst in the league, .1 per game better than the Avalanche who are second-worst. 4.1 per game worse than the 15th ranked team in the league in that regard. It's terrible given any context. 



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:39 PM

Wildcard your wish is my command, at least partly.
Record when we outshoot our opponent. 7-11-3
Record when we are outshot. 21-19-7
Record even shots. 1-1-2

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:14 PM

Remained in games? Every game on that road trip we were outshot 2-1.

 

And remember, Lehner is at best average,



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:19 PM

Wildcard your wish is my command, at least partly.
Record when we outshoot our opponent. 7-11-3
Record when we are outshot. 21-19-7
Record even shots. 1-1-2

 

So, it looks to me that the Sabres have not been giving up enough shots.

 

Based on the above I would say our goalies are outstanding.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:55 PM

We have what? 3 bad contracts? And 2 of them really aren't terrible. You want bad contracts? Lucic, Ladd, Brown, DiPietro, any goalie in Dallas

I'd argue 4 are bad.

Ennis, Moulson, Bogo, Gorges taking up $19 mil, over 25% of our cap and none of then come off the books after this season.

That's a quarter of your cap going to players who don't contribute offensively and IMO are largely a defensive liability.

Would you rather have those 4 players or 2-3 O'Reilly level players who will have a positive influence.

Edited by pi2000, 19 March 2017 - 02:56 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:32 PM

I'd argue 4 are bad.
Ennis, Moulson, Bogo, Gorges taking up $19 mil, over 25% of our cap and none of then come off the books after this season.
That's a quarter of your cap going to players who don't contribute offensively and IMO are largely a defensive liability.
Would you rather have those 4 players or 2-3 O'Reilly level players who will have a positive influence.


The only reason I didn't list Gorges is because he has one year left can be waived or bought to create more room this season or even if he returns, he comes off the books when we need the cap space in 2018.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:08 PM

Wildcard your wish is my command, at least partly.
Record when we outshoot our opponent. 7-11-3
Record when we are outshot. 21-19-7
Record even shots. 1-1-2

 

 

So, it looks to me that the Sabres have not been giving up enough shots.

 

Based on the above I would say our goalies are outstanding.

 

It be interesting to run those for other teams. It wouldn't surprise me if teams are often out-shot in wins as the losing team throws everything at the net in the third to try to tie it up. I'd also bet the Sabres' is among the more drastic differences with the Ala-mode system that goes into place once we're up by a goal.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:54 PM

Toronto's defense is a disaster (Reilly isn't even that good and he's by far their best) and up front they are getting a pile of milage from players playing way over their heads (see Kadri)...clearly it takes a good coach to, if nothing else, find the players individual strengths and use them to that strength. we have Blysma trying to get everyone to play one system and that is sit back and hang on for dear life...oh by the way, it ain't working just as it isn't with Lindy in dallas who try the exact same thing

 

ive said it before and I'll say it again. Toronto has been good but EXTREMELY fortunate this year. Look at the injuries they've dealt with compared to the Sabres and most every other team. Im still surprised that Babcock is thought as the best coach in the universe but still has his D playing like chickens with their heads cut off in year 2 of him behind the bench.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:58 PM

ive said it before and I'll say it again. Toronto has been good but EXTREMELY fortunate this year. Look at the injuries they've dealt with compared to the Sabres and most every other team. Im still surprised that Babcock is thought as the best coach in the universe but still has his D playing like chickens with their heads cut off in year 2 of him behind the bench.

I'd be curious to hear your top 5



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:52 PM

By the time they get any good eichel will have played out his contract

then he'll sign another one



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:22 PM

I'll cop to it: GM TM acquired a lot of goodwill and patience with his unusual manner and demeanor. And deservedly so.

 

But the time for "ZFG," Dwight Schrute memes, and such is long since past. He needs to make this team better. And fast.  



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:58 PM

While not trying to derail the topic, I have to give Babdick credit where credit is due. His defense might be a mess right now, but he is coaching a completely different game than Goober is. He's letting these guys go out and do what they do best, make the mistakes let them screw up and then use practices to discuss what they're doing wrong. It has lead to an exciting season for them, and entertaining hockey. Despite numerous blowouts and tons of blown leads. They've also blown out teams and scored bunches of goals. 

 

I'm sure he was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a playoff year and planned to do this. They'll be better in the long run because of it. Goober, on the other hand, isn't letting the Sabres do anything they're good at. He's afraid to make mistakes, and he coaches accordingly. The young guys will never learn, and we'll never see their potential as long as he is here. 


With that said, I'll stick by my post I made earlier about Murray. He's put together a team that's much better than we think. He deserves at least another year. Unless Goober is still here next year, then he needs to be fired. 



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:58 PM

^

 

I think that's about right.

 

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:19 PM

While not trying to derail the topic, I have to give Babdick credit where credit is due. His defense might be a mess right now, but he is coaching a completely different game than Goober is. He's letting these guys go out and do what they do best, make the mistakes let them screw up and then use practices to discuss what they're doing wrong. It has lead to an exciting season for them, and entertaining hockey. Despite numerous blowouts and tons of blown leads. They've also blown out teams and scored bunches of goals. 
 
I'm sure he was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a playoff year and planned to do this. They'll be better in the long run because of it. Goober, on the other hand, isn't letting the Sabres do anything they're good at. He's afraid to make mistakes, and he coaches accordingly. The young guys will never learn, and we'll never see their potential as long as he is here. 
With that said, I'll stick by my post I made earlier about Murray. He's put together a team that's much better than we think. He deserves at least another year. Unless Goober is still here next year, then he needs to be fired.


This is where I'm at as well.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:51 PM

I don't have score-adjusted corsi, but we have out-corsi'd our opponents 20 times in 72 games. We out-chanced other teams 26 times in 72 games.
It is third-worst in the league, .1 per game better than the Avalanche who are second-worst. 4.1 per game worse than the 15th ranked team in the league in that regard. It's terrible given any context.


The outchanced stat is the more critical stat. You can win games in which you have been outshot especially if you can find away to get the lead early and which we haven't done well. In fact we have one lead after 1 period 24 times and after the 2nd period 24 times. However, you consistently win games if the other teams always gets more legit scoring opportunities.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:06 PM

While not trying to derail the topic, I have to give Babdick credit where credit is due. His defense might be a mess right now, but he is coaching a completely different game than Goober is. He's letting these guys go out and do what they do best, make the mistakes let them screw up and then use practices to discuss what they're doing wrong. It has lead to an exciting season for them, and entertaining hockey. Despite numerous blowouts and tons of blown leads. They've also blown out teams and scored bunches of goals. 

 

I'm sure he was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a playoff year and planned to do this. They'll be better in the long run because of it. Goober, on the other hand, isn't letting the Sabres do anything they're good at. He's afraid to make mistakes, and he coaches accordingly. The young guys will never learn, and we'll never see their potential as long as he is here. 


With that said, I'll stick by my post I made earlier about Murray. He's put together a team that's much better than we think. He deserves at least another year. Unless Goober is still here next year, then he needs to be fired. 

Hmmm. Are we back to the "timeline"? Unlike MB, did DD coach like this was supposed to be a playoff year, and choked on it?



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:08 PM

Hmmm. Are we back to the "timeline"? Unlike MB, did DD coach like this was supposed to be a playoff year, and choked on it?

 

I don't think so, because I believe Babdick is coaching so that the way they play now, is the way they play in the future. Only recognizing the mistakes and correcting them. 

 

If Goober is playing like this assuming this was a playoff year, he's going about it the wrong way because he certainly isn't using their talents to their advantage. 



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:44 AM

Is it coincidence that since both Murrays are gone from the Senators that they are now improved and a solid playoff team?

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:49 AM

Is it coincidence that since both Murrays are gone from the Senators that they are now improved and a solid playoff team?


Did they aquire a whole bunch of new players the last two seasons?

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:57 AM

Is it coincidence that since both Murrays are gone from the Senators that they are now improved and a solid playoff team?

I think you know the answer is "most likely", if only because of the many different variables.

Also, did they not miss the playoffs last year but make them the year before? Didn't they win a series in 2013?