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#1 yse325

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:44 AM

1) 3 new defenseman - One puck mover to spell Risto, one good skating stay at home guy (Lydman type), and a spot for Guhle (Buy out Gorges and don't re-sign Kulikov and Franson). Guys like Alzner, Vatanen, DeHaan, Hickey, Brodin, Theodore, and Montour. I also would mind getting a cheap vet like Hunwick, Seidenberg, Engelland or Quincey to add depth and experience and injury insurance. Brodin seems to be the guy I keep coming back to. He is young, overpaid, but very talented and could be another D cornerstone for years to come.

2) New leadership - Captain ROR, Assts Jack and Risto

3) 2 of Bailey, Carrier, Baptiste, Fasching or Erod full time in the NHL, which may mean the replacement of Ennis, Gionta and or Moulson.

4) Re-sign Larsson, Girgensons and Foligno. I'm Ok with moving one if it helps get a puck moving D.

5) 4th line veteran center and penalty killer. We need someone can take PK draws to lessen the burdens on ROR. I wonder if Wash would trade us Jay Beagle?

6) We also need a top line LW to play with ROR and Okposo for a year or two. Don't laugh, but Vanek on a two year deal? Crazy? I like the idea of his net front presence on the 2nd PP.

PS This is not another thread to bash DD


Potential roster
Kane Eichel Reinhart
Vanek ROR Okposo
Foligno Girgensons Bailey
Carrier Beagle Moulson
(I think we lose Ennis to expansion and are stuck with Moulson for one more season)

McCabe Risto
Alzner Brodin
Guhle Bogo
Falk Quincey


Lehner
Ullmark

Edited by yse325, 23 March 2017 - 04:02 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 08:00 AM

1) 3 new defenseman - One puck mover to spell Risto, one good skating stay at home guy (Lydman type), and a spot for Guhle (Buy out Gorges and don't re-sign Kulikov and Franson).  Guys like Alzner, Vatanen, DeHaan, Hickey, Brodin, Theodore, and Montour.  I also would mind getting a cheap vet like Hunwick, Seidenberg, Engelland or Quincey to add depth and experience and injury insurance.  Brodin seems to be the guy I keep coming back to.  He is young, overpaid, but very talented and could be another D cornerstone for years to come.
 
2) New leadership - Captain ROR, Assts Jack and Risto
 
3) 2 of Bailey, Carrier, Baptiste, Fasching or Erod full time in the NHL, which may mean the replacement of Ennis, Gionta and or Moulson.  
 
4) Re-sign Larsson, Girgensons and Foligno.  I'm Ok with moving one if it helps get a puck moving D.
 
5) 4th line veteran center and penalty killer.  We need someone can take PK draws to lessen the burdens on ROR.  I wonder if Wash would trade us Jay Beagle?
 
6) We also need a top line LW to play with ROR and Okposo for a year or two. Don't laugh, but Vanek on a two year deal? Crazy? I like the idea of his net front presence on the 2nd PP.
 
PS This is not another thread to bash DD
 
 
Potential roster
Kane Eichel Reinhart
Vanek ROR Okposo
Foligno Girgensons Bailey
Carrier Beagle Moulson
(I think we lose Ennis to expansion and are stuck with Moulson for one more season)
 
McCabe Risto
Alzner Brodin
Guhle Bogo
Falk Quincey
 
 
Lehner
Ullmark


Ad for #3, your going to get your wish, at least on Carrier, Rodriguez, Bailey and Baptiste.

Hell maybe even Guhle at the rate this defense is going.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 09:22 AM

Not bad, but NO to Vanek.  I have had more than enough of that sour puss.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:15 AM

Not bad, but NO to Vanek.  I have had more than enough of that sour puss.

 

It will to interesting to see how he performs this playoffs.  If he sucks again I might change my mind, but I'm wondering if his NHL wandering the last few years may have made him mature as a person. 



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:56 PM

Speed an youth through the roster. That means Guhle, Baptiste, Bailey, Carrier, Fasching (I know his game isnt speed) and Nylander (maybe half the season), and Asplund.

 

No more Gionta, Moulson, Ennis, Fransen, Gorges (maybe 7th dman). A healthy Kulikov, an extension for Kane (meaning he has stayed out of trouble), a full season of Eichel healthy, a new coach and a play-off spot.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:57 PM

Speed an youth through the roster. That means Guhle, Baptiste, Bailey, Carrier, Fasching (I know his game isnt speed) and Nylander (maybe half the season), and Asplund.

 

No more Gionta, Moulson, Ennis, Fransen, Gorges (maybe 7th dman). A healthy Kulikov, an extension for Kane (meaning he has stayed out of trouble), a full season of Eichel healthy, a new coach and a play-off spot.

I wish Asplund and Nylander were ready. Guhle might be



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:43 PM

I agree on Guhle.  I think he has a spot penciled in.  He almost earned a spot out of camp the last 2 years and didn't look out of place in his brief callup.  

 

The one I want to see is Borgen.  I was real impressed with him in the World Jrs 2 years ago and his smart stay at home play in the NCAA makes me think he might be able to make a quick transition to the NHL.  

 

Nylander is going to need at least one more year in the AHL and Asplund should also need 1-2 years in NA before being ready.



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Posted 09 March 2017 - 12:22 AM

I wish Asplund and Nylander were ready. Guhle might be

Asplund and Nylander are probably ready to play together in the AHL next year. It worked in the WJC so you could pair them down there for a year to figure out the North American game together.

Guhle is ready to play in the NHL but he's probably not ready to be a huge help. There's a big difference between looking good in a few games and playing 82 games in the NHL. He'll probably suck for at least part of next year.

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:38 AM

Re-sign Nilsson? Will it be a priority?

Nice Goal by Montour. He'd look good in Blue and Gold. (Better one by Risto).

Edited by yse325, 18 March 2017 - 12:39 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 01:28 AM

Again, 

 

Forwards

OReilly, Okposo Carrier

Eichel Reinhardt and Kane, 

Rodriquez, Foligno and Bailey

Girgenson, Baptiste and Gionta

 

Subs Vanek and Moulson

 

D

Risto and McCabe

Ghule and Traded for D or signed a la Shatenkirk

Draft pic and Bogo

Subs

Falk, Fedun, Franson

Goalies *Same  Lehner and Nillson


Edited by North Buffalo, 18 March 2017 - 01:33 AM.


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:02 AM

I love the idea of signing Shattenkirk except for one small problem...with Bogo, Moulson and Ennis still on the payroll, there isn;t room to sign him. That would take at least 7 mil over 7 years and we would need to lose some serious payroll before being able to do this signing. Obviously teams are already licking their chops at th echance of signing a premier Number 1 stud defenseman, and the list of teams will be long and there will be very heavy bidding..not sure why he'd want to come here when he can go to a cup contender like Pittsburg who could use him. As well, getting any other d-man from anybody will take a huge package of picks and young players who we do wish to lose, and again there will be many other teams after these d-men such as anybody from Anaheim. There is little doubt our forwards are very good and there is no need to tinker there. Goaltending??????



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Posted 18 March 2017 - 11:40 AM

The cap really isn't an issue for next season. It is for the season after.
Next season, If I assume 2 of Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching & Carrier make the team and Guhle also males the team, then we have 10 forwards + 6 defense under contract for only $50, plus RFA's Erod, Girgensons, Larsson, Foligno, Lehner and Ullmark. Assuming all these RFA's return thst will cost another 11-12 million, leaving us a potentially full roster with 11-13 million in cap space to improve the club.

If the team was good, this would be an easy off-season, but it's not.
1) We need at least two additional D, maybe 3 if Gorges is waived or bought out and possibly 4 if Guhle doesn't make the team as I predict we'll start the year with 8 D in the NHL so we don't have to draw players from the AHL and so we can absord some injuries.
2) We have 14 forwards under contract or under control. However I doubt we'll be picking our top 13 out of the guys mentioned. There is a good chance that UFA Gionta returns. We need a legit faceoff winning Pk killing 4th line center. (Is it possible Larsson grows into this role?) We need additional scoring help on the wings, although there is a chance that GMTM throws the kids into those roles to see if they can produce.
3) Nilsson has also earned a new contract, but if Ullmark is re-signed, then Nilsson will probably need to find work elsewhere. GMTM's ability to sign Cal Petersen might also effect this, because we also need goaltending in Roch.

We are unlikely to get immediate help in the draft, but we will get a top 10 player and based on projections that will likely be a defensemen. Nylander is also far from ready.

Edited by yse325, 18 March 2017 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:05 PM

Craig Constance has a gameplan for the Sabres. Anyone have an ESPN insider account? http://www.espn.com/...er/post?id=8933

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:20 AM

Craig Constance has a gameplan for the Sabres. Anyone have an ESPN insider account? http://www.espn.com/...er/post?id=8933

 

I'm on it...

 

Source: ESPN 

Craig Constance

 

How the Sabres take the next step

 

Goalie Robin Lehner has been through this before. Actually, this has been going on pretty much his entire career. The Buffalo Sabres goalie is now 25 years old, but he speaks with the wisdom of a veteran who is now in his fifth season on rebuilding teams, first with the Ottawa Senators and now with the Sabres.
 
He was coming off an impressive win over the Red Wings on Monday night, stopping 34 of 35 shots, to improve his save percentage this season to .922. There might be some issues in Buffalo, which we’ll get to, but goaltending hasn’t been one of them.
 
He was feeling reflective as he sat and chatted. Maybe he’s always that way. Either way, it was insight that only comes when you have a vantage point better than just about anyone in the building.
 
This was supposed to be the season we saw real growth from the Sabres. Maybe not Stanley Cup material, but certainly pushing for a playoff spot in mid-March. Instead, they’re back in the draft lottery.
Making it worse, the teams that dropped to the bottom of the standings with them have lifted themselves out of it. On Monday, the Maple Leafs beat the Bruins in a game that may be the one we point to as the reason they made the playoffs. They’re currently in the second wild-card spot.
 
The Edmonton Oilers? On Monday, they beat the Kings. Shut them out. Basically crushed the Kings' playoff hopes in the latest signal that the power is shifting dramatically out West. It wasn’t all that long ago that the Oilers had no business playing on the same sheet of ice as the Kings.
 
“You just don’t wake up one year and go to the playoffs,” Lehner said, echoing the words of his teammates. “It just takes time.”
 
And effort. And maturity. And a little bit of luck, which the Sabres certainly didn’t have this season.
 
But the maturity part? That seems to be the sticking point for this group of Sabres.
 
Lehner shared the moment he can just about pinpoint where the season went off the rails. Or as teammate Jack Eichel so eloquently put it earlier in the day, “the s--- hit the fan.”
 
The Sabres won three of four games heading into their late-February bye week. It looked like with the team finally healthy, they were going to make their long-awaited run.
 
Their first practice was in Colorado coming out of the break, and between time off and the elevation, it was a tough one.
 
“It was a lot of people who couldn’t really breathe,” Lehner said.
 
A game plan was set. The Sabres talked about playing a simple game coming out of the bye week. Don’t try to do too much. Get pucks in deep, all that.
 
They lost to Colorado that first game. Then they lost to Arizona, making it two straight losses to two of the worst teams in the league. Then came an overtime loss to the Predators, and after a win against the Coyotes, the wheels completely fell off.
 
The idea of playing a simple game coming out of the break? That was abandoned too quickly for Lehner’s tastes.
 
“I did not believe we played simple,” he said.
 
For him, it comes back to one thing.
 
“Again. Maturity,” he said. “If we’re going to play a high offensive game, we’ve really got to fine tune our details defensively. We’re putting a lot of energy going forward to score goals, make plays.”
 
Maybe not enough energy to prevent turnovers and prevent odd-man rushes.
 
“That’s a lot of what’s cost us,” Lehner said. “We look at every game afterward and there’s been a lot of tight games this year. A lot of the goals scored against us have been off turnovers and odd-man rushes from the offensive zone. That’s just going to come with maturity.”
 
Consistency also comes with maturity, and it’s something the Sabres clearly don’t have at this point in the process.
 
You see glimpses of real progress. There are impressive wins over the Blues or Ducks or Sharks or Senators. Then comes an ugly loss to the Coyotes or Flyers or Avalanche. This team isn’t good enough yet not to show up every night with a focused, game. It’s still realizing that.
 
“We don’t show up every night,” said captain Brian Gionta. “We don’t play the same way. We’re too scattered night in and night out. You never know what kind of effort you’re going to get.”
 
If that doesn’t sum up the Sabres' season, nothing will.
 
It’s not like there haven’t been positives.
 
Jack Eichel is completely healthy after starting his season with a high-ankle sprain, and his offensive production reflects it. Sabres coach Dan Bylsma estimated that he saw Eichel really start to hit his stride on February 1. He has 29 points in 24 games since then, a total topped only by Patrick Kane and equaled by Brad Marchand. Those are two guys very much in the Hart Trophy race.
 
He’s re-established himself in the conversation with Connor McDavid and Auston Matthews as the best young players in the game. He’s been that good.
 
Bylsma has seen real growth in Eichel’s defensive play, and had him out protecting a lead late in Monday’s game. Watching Eichel using his speed to track back on the puck and make plays defensively has become commonplace. He’s also improving his game in the defensive zone to help the Sabres' transition game.
 
“He’s finding where to be on the ice to support the puck,” Gionta said. “When he’s doing that, he’s able to get it in his hands more often. That’s the kind of guy you want coming through the neutral zone with the puck. When he’s coming over, supporting it on the strong side, and able to get it in his hands quicker, that’s when he’s going to be better.”
 
The thing that Bylsma likes best is how Eichel is taking ownership over the Sabres' wins and losses. He doesn’t see a young star concerned with his place in the game among players like McDavid and Matthews. He sees a young player who cares deeply that the Sabres haven’t made the same jump as other young teams.
 
“He takes a lot of ownership in us being a winning team,” Bylsma said.
 
 
You look at the Sabres' roster and wonder where the growth is going to come from. The defense needs to be upgraded in a way that free agency isn’t likely going to be able to provide. Perhaps there’s a trade to be made, but the Sabres aren’t deep enough at forward to move any of the significant pieces there without hurting the forward group. There’s also a new contract that needs to be done for Lehner, who expressed his desire to be part of the long-term solution in Buffalo.
 
“I’ve got to step up next year, if everything goes well with the contract,” he said.
 
And that’s where the improvement is going to have to be. It isn’t coming from the outside. It’s not going to arrive in the form of another lottery win, like the one that propelled a neutral Oilers organization.
 
The growth comes from the players taking ownership of the situation. The growth comes from consistently listening to a coach who has won a Stanley Cup, and showing up next season better than they were this season.
 
“I really hoped that we would have taken the next step this year, and it’s frustrating that we didn’t,” Eichel said. “I think everyone just needs to look in the mirror and get better.”


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

Well TIL Craig Custance is a moron 



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 08:18 AM

What's the deal with Larsson next year? I know he's injured but I don't see him in anyone's plans next year.

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 10:06 AM

What's the deal with Larsson next year? I know he's injured but I don't see him in anyone's plans next year.

 

Fair question.  In expansion I think most of us are protecting him and Girgensons over Ennis and Moulson.  The goal is to get out from under one of the big lousy contracts.  Also you can't have two many good centers.  However, Larsson's future here is cloudy.  Ideally, we hope that all our young wingers would develop to make it possible to roll 3 scoring lines with Reinhart anchoring the 3rd line.  That leaves Larsson and Girgensons fighting for the 4th line center job.  Girgensons is younger, bigger and faster which makes him the better candidate for that role.  If this is the case, were does that leave Larsson?  Add that centers like Pu and Asplund are moving up the pipeline and I'd guess that Larsson could be moved sooner then later.



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 10:11 AM

Fair question.  In expansion I think most of us are protecting him and Girgensons over Ennis and Moulson.  The goal is to get out from under one of the big lousy contracts.  Also you can't have two many good centers.  However, Larsson's future here is cloudy.  Ideally, we hope that all our young wingers would develop to make it possible to roll 3 scoring lines with Reinhart anchoring the 3rd line.  That leaves Larsson and Girgensons fighting for the 4th line center job.  Girgensons is younger, bigger and faster which makes him the better candidate for that role.  If this is the case, were does that leave Larsson?  Add that centers like Pu and Asplund are moving up the pipeline and I'd guess that Larsson could be moved sooner then later.

I agree that Girgensons is younger, bigger, faster, etc....But when I actually watch both of them play, and focus on them individually, i almost always think Larsson plays better. I wouldn't be so quick to choose Girgensons over him.



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 10:41 AM

I agree that Girgensons is younger, bigger, faster, etc....But when I actually watch both of them play, and focus on them individually, i almost always think Larsson plays better. I wouldn't be so quick to choose Girgensons over him.

He is the better player, but he isn't an ideal checking/energy line center.  Girgensons size and better speed are a better fit for that energy role.



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 12:18 AM

http://www.tsn.ca/of...sabres-1.488687

 

I went back and looked at Scott Cullen (TSN.CA) off-season gameplan for us last season.  He recommended we add a top 6 winger (we did in Okposo), some depth forwards (we didn't), a D who could partner up with Risto (does Kulikov count?) and backup goalie (we did in Nilsson).

 

He also suggested we shrink Gorges workload (we didn't and we needed to), he observed that Bogo stinks against tough matchups (which he does) and he said we need more capable puck movers if we want to make the playoffs (GMTM should have listened).  He also suggested drafting Juolevi or Chychrun with the 8th pick.

 

I wonder what he'll say this year.  My guess?  Still need a partner for Risto.  Need better depth on the blueline with more speed and puck moving skills.  Need a winger for Jack (he said we need that last year as well) and better depth forwards.

 

Here are a couple of ideas.  

1) Brian Boyle for 4th line center.  Great in the faceoff circle.  Plays physical, adds scoring.

2) Karl Alzner for 2nd pairing D

3) Michael Del Zotto - puck moving depth D who is only 26.

4) Sam Gagner - 3rd line center - Upgrade over Girgensons and Larsson.  Allows Sam Reinhart to stay with Jack.


Edited by GASabresFan, 12 April 2017 - 12:33 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:59 AM

1) 3 new defenseman - One puck mover to spell Risto, one good skating stay at home guy (Lydman type), and a spot for Guhle (Buy out Gorges and don't re-sign Kulikov and Franson). Guys like Alzner, Vatanen, DeHaan, Hickey, Brodin, Theodore, and Montour. I also would mind getting a cheap vet like Hunwick, Seidenberg, Engelland or Quincey to add depth and experience and injury insurance. Brodin seems to be the guy I keep coming back to. He is young, overpaid, but very talented and could be another D cornerstone for years to come.

2) New leadership - Captain ROR, Assts Jack and Risto

3) 2 of Bailey, Carrier, Baptiste, Fasching or Erod full time in the NHL, which may mean the replacement of Ennis, Gionta and or Moulson.

4) Re-sign Larsson, Girgensons and Foligno. I'm Ok with moving one if it helps get a puck moving D.

5) 4th line veteran center and penalty killer. We need someone can take PK draws to lessen the burdens on ROR. I wonder if Wash would trade us Jay Beagle?

6) We also need a top line LW to play with ROR and Okposo for a year or two. Don't laugh, but Vanek on a two year deal? Crazy? I like the idea of his net front presence on the 2nd PP.

PS This is not another thread to bash DD


Potential roster
Kane Eichel Reinhart
Vanek ROR Okposo
Foligno Girgensons Bailey
Carrier Beagle Moulson
(I think we lose Ennis to expansion and are stuck with Moulson for one more season)

McCabe Risto
Alzner Brodin
Guhle Bogo
Falk Quincey


Lehner
Ullmark

 

1) you don't buy out gorges, you keep him around as 7th D, buying him out will make us pay for him the next 3 years instead of just 1.

 

2) Hunwick, seidenberg, engelland quincey, rather sign kulikov again than any of those

 

3) none of them have shown me to be better than Gionta , well maybe rodrigues.

 

4) none of those will get you a puck moving D.   Foligno I'd love to get back, Larsson and Girgensons seem expendable.   And I really like Larsson as our 4C.

 

5) Fehr might be a good option here to.

 

6) I don't mind Vanek, and he actually wants to come back, but I'd slot him next to Eichel and put Nylander with O'reilly and Okposo. 

 

Nylander - O'Reilly - Okposo

Vanek - Eichel - Rodrigues

Kane - Reinhart - Bailey    ( I really thought they looked good when they played together)

Foligno - Larsson - Gionta   ( he will be resigned)

 

Girgensons

 

More realistic D :P

Mind you though, adding Alzner and Stone via UFA will most likely cost us an extra 9 mill in salary.

Antipin might be a cheaper option if he signs.

 

Alzner  - Risto

McCabe - Stone

Guhle - Bogo

 

Gorges/Falk  well depends if Guhle can crack this roster


Edited by Huckleberry, 12 April 2017 - 07:02 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:56 AM

Huck, here is how our D looks right now.

We have 5 (6 if Guhle makes the team)signed for next year. They are Risto, McCabe, Bogo, Gorges, Falk and Guhle. Total cap cost around $17.4 million. We spent $25 million this past season. Add Antipin as a 7th D, if signed.

While cheaper, and probably better in terms of speed. You again have a huge over weight in lefties. Our only R shots are Risto and Bogo.

I also think we need 8 NHL D to avoid the problems we had this season both here and in Rochester, which is where cheap vets like Quincey come in. Guys like Hunwick and Quincey are 31 or so and only earn around 1 to 1.5 per season. They give better performance then Gorges for 1/3 the price.

Buying out Gorges only cost 1.3 million over 2 years, not 3. This eliminates one leftie and our slowest defender. We already have his clone in Falk for only $650K. If we add a leftie like Alzner, Gorges really needs to be gone.

What we really need is a legit right handed 3rd D to push Bogo down to the 3rd line. I still have my sites on Sami Vatanen and I'm willing to trade Kane for him despite or 5 on 5 scoring issues.

The goal here is to build a mobile D group that gets the puck out quickly, has depth and balance and can support the offense well.

This is what I'd like to see
McCabe Risto
Antipin Vatanen
Guhle Bogo
Falk Hunwick

Cost: under $22.171 million including 1.3 for Gorges buyout.

Edited by GASabresFan, 12 April 2017 - 09:02 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:13 AM

Hell no to Vanek. We don't need any more floaters on this team.

 

I say move Eichel to #1 C, move ROR to LW, find or promote a #1 RW

ROR - Eichel - ??? Ennis?

Kane - Reinhart - Okposo

Foligno - Larsson - Gionta

Carrier - Rodriguez - Bailey

 

I trade Zemgus in some package deal for defensive help. There really isn't a spot for him on this team. I bring back Gionta for 1 more year because I am not ready to pencil Nylander into that lineup. He is my extra forward though. The one good thing Buffalo did this year was not rush the kids into the lineup or rely on them too much. Fasching is another interesting guy we could use. You'll notice that Moulson and Deslauriers aren't around and for good reason.

 

The defense is a disaster right now. We have McCabe, Risto, Bogo, and Gorges to pencil in. Ideally I would do something like what follows but who knows if that would work. I would desperatly try to lure that kid who was gonna be on Colorado away, Will Butcher could help the defense a lot. 

Guhle - Risto

McCabe - Antipin

Gorges - Bogo

Falk (sp?)


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:45 AM

I agree that Girgensons is younger, bigger, faster, etc....But when I actually watch both of them play, and focus on them individually, i almost always think Larsson plays better. I wouldn't be so quick to choose Girgensons over him.

 

 

totally agree!



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 04:42 PM

So do think the GMTM presser clarified the off-season game plan?

 

Is DD in trouble?  GMTM mentioned that he and DD still have three years left on his contracts

 

He said he wants to build a fast possession-transition team and we don't yet have the roster for that.  So who goes?

He said we need better leadership in the locker room and he was going to acquire players with playoff experience to help. So who goes?

He said he like Baptiste, Guhle and Ullmark.  If all 3 make the team who goes? 

He said we need better D, but he likes the development of McCabe and Risto.  So who stays, who comes and who goes?


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:14 PM

So do think the GMTM presser clarified the off-season game plan?

 

Is DD in trouble?  GMTM mentioned that he and DD still have three years left on his contracts

 

He said he wants to build a fast possession-transition team and we don't yet have the roster for that.  So who goes?

He said we need better leadership in the locker room and he was going to acquire players with playoff experience to help. So who goes?

He said he like Baptiste, Guhle and Ullmark.  If all 3 make the team who goes? 

He said we need better D, but he likes the development of McCabe and Risto.  So who stays, who comes and who goes?

Carrier, Baptiste, Nylander, and/or Bailey all make this team a lot faster up front.  Which of those make the team and who goes? I don't know.  If Bailey can find more consistency, he is here for sure, and I think Baptiste is likely to be here because Murray seems to speak very highly of him whenever he talks about him.

 

If Ullmark makes the team, Nilsson is gone, easy one there.

 

On D, You aren't going to see as much of a change as everyone thinks.  Risto, McCabe, Guhle and "someone else" make up your ideal top 4...with Bogo and Gorges being your bottom 2.  IF Guhle doesn't stumble, and that "someone else" is good..I'd be happy with that D-corp.

 

I'd love to see Eichel get a long term Deal, and Kane resigned to an extension.  Also I want to see Baptiste make the team and play with Eichel. I really think Baptiste might have the greatest upside on putting the puck in the net of any of the young guys on this team. I can see him putting in 20 next year playing with Eichel.



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:22 PM

Revised keep Ennis, hope OK returns to health or sign veteran winger leader and trade for a D top four dump Kuli, use Falk or Austin with Ghule and make Bogo 3rd pair with one of the vets. Bring up young guns, do best to keep Larson and Girgs for checking line and get rid of Moulson and Gionta or make them assistant coaches in Rochester.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:20 AM

for GMTM to teach coach Blysma how to coach and how to get the players on his side and to learn we will see as GMTM put it more working with players to get at their strengths and less Danny's "system" which is awful cause I have no doubt Blysma will be back and we need him to be the biggest change by far next season to have any success


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:27 AM

It will to interesting to see how he performs this playoffs.  If he sucks again I might change my mind, but I'm wondering if his NHL wandering the last few years may have made him mature as a person. 

Florida made the playoffs?


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:34 AM

Goaltending:

Assuming we don't lose him to expansion, Ullmark in for Nilsson is probably the move that's closest to guaranteed. I just remembered that Johasson is Rochester right now. I'm going to have to assume that if Peterson doesn't sign with us, GMTM will sign Johansson for the Amerks and Kasdorf will also return.

Lehner - Bridge deal? 3 years - 12 million. Maybe I'm over interpreting his flippant comment on Lehner's contract, but it made me think we won't be seeing anything like a 6 year 35 mill deal.

Defense:
Based on GMTM's comments:
1) he basically confirmed that Kulikov is gone and that Guhle is nearly a lock to make the Sabres next season. He also was pretty clear that the entire D outside Risto and McCabe was lacking (really? Who's fault is that) and that those two wore down in the second half.
2) he said the lockerroom leadership failed and will be replaced. I think that means Franson and Gorges also won't be returning. It also means I might get the Vets I've been calling for.
3) Antipin - His team is down 2-1 in games in the KHL final. Obviously GMTM is following the situation closely. He is a smallish D, but a real puck mover, who can enhance a PP. Seems like a good risk to take. However, with Falk, McCabe, Guhle and Gorges he'd the 5th leftie. Again Gorges looks like the odd a out. Can we sign him before 7/1?
4) I don't think the fans will settle for eliminating Gorges, Franson and Kulikov and only replacing them with Antipin, Guhle, and a couple of cheap vets. TM has said for two years he wants a legit top 4 puck mover. This might be his last chance to get one. If he can work a deal to get one through the expansion process it will give the fans and the returning player hope for next season.

Forwards
1) Captain Jack: TM basically said it's Jack team and that a Captain change is in the offing. 2+2 usually equals 4.
2) Gionta returns? I liked blunt 1 yr deal for reasonable money comment. 1yr 2.5mill to 3 mill?
3) Baptiste to make the team: We need scoring and he can provide it. Can he play LW?
4) Veteran Leadership: who can he bring in and where will they play? As we have no UFA's other then Gionta who he wants back?
5) Baptiste is not enough of a scoring improvement. Where will it come from? Who is going to score from the dirty areas?
6) I wondering if Kane might be traded. Sounds crazy given our 5 on 5 woes, but GMTM harped on rules and team structure, something that Kane doesn't think applies to him. I'm not sure how both can co-exist.
7) PK improvement: is this where the outside vets come into play? Can we get some relief for ROR?

Florida made the playoffs?

Florida was in the playoff hunt when they acquired Vanek. It didn't work ouut, but I don't think that was Vanek's fault.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 09:23 AM

My wishlist is to see GMTM trade our first round pick in return for an immediate impact player on the blue-line.



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 04:44 PM

My wishlist is to see GMTM trade our first round pick in return for an immediate impact player on the blue-line.

These are the type of deals GMTM did that cleared out our D pipeline and left us in the mess we are in right now with blotted contracts to mediocre players all done in the name of accelerating the rebuild. The Sabres had the 6th highest actual payroll last season at 81 mill and had the 5th worst team.

It's time to rebuild properly. Draft and develop. If you need immediate help sign a UFA or trade roster players for it, but we can no longer afford to keep sacrificing our prospect pool. Hockey trades only. In fact during GMTM brief tenure he has traded away the equivilent of 3 1st rd picks and 7 2nd rd picks acquired since 2012 and only replaced them with 1st and 3 2nds and Fasching. That's a net loss of 6 quality prospects. Most of those prospects were lost in the ROR, Kane and Lehner deals which cost us over $20 mill in cap last year and will increase to over 22 mill next season.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:19 PM

Does the firings really change the off-season game plan for the roster? I don't think so! Sure we now have two to three additional steps before we start addressing the roster, but ultimately the new GM will have to fix the defense, dump some bad contracts, get a center to help the PK. The biggest high end roster questions are the fates of Reinhart and Kane.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:24 PM

I hate to say this, but offseason plans are going to need to factor in the likelihood (which I've seen in the Snooze and which has been persuasively described to me by a doctor who admittedly only knows what has been made public) that Okposo is not coming back.  So everyone agitating for a Kane or Reino trade should think twice about subtracting another high-end forward.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:29 PM

I hate to say this, but offseason plans are going to need to factor in the likelihood (which I've seen in the Snooze and which has been persuasively described to me by a doctor who admittedly only knows what has been made public) that Okposo is not coming back.  So everyone agitating for a Kane or Reino trade should think twice about subtracting another high-end forward.


Okposo is a huge concern, but if he can't go at least we can get him on LTIR to recover the cap hit. Also RW is our deepest poll of prospects. Also we need to get something out of Ennis

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 03:44 PM

I'm not a GM but my hope is that once the front office is re-established we strengthen our defense, improve our pk, dump some dead weight and above all else don't get rid of Sam. This talk about getting rid of Sam really irks me. I'm sure our defense can be improved without trading an essential piece of our new core.