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Posted 22 January 2017 - 11:21 AM

We are deficient in depth of wingers too.  I want Kane, or at least I want Kane's production replaced.  And frankly, he plays a hard game.  I'd want that replaced too.

 

For once, I want to see us sign our productive FA's to be.  We're a bottom third team, how can we continue to move valuable players and expect to improve?



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 12:37 PM

We are deficient in depth of wingers too.  I want Kane, or at least I want Kane's production replaced.  And frankly, he plays a hard game.  I'd want that replaced too.
 
For once, I want to see us sign our productive FA's to be.  We're a bottom third team, how can we continue to move valuable players and expect to improve?

Once Eichel and Reinhart are signed, Kane will be "on the clock" to be moved if we did re-sign him.
Ask yourself this: what amount and term do you see a 26/27 year old Kane re-signing for? My guess is he'll be looking for 5 years or more at 5.5 to 6 mil aav.

Given what he brings to the table, I'd move him.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 01:39 PM

Once Eichel and Reinhart are signed, Kane will be "on the clock" to be moved if we did re-sign him.
Ask yourself this: what amount and term do you see a 26/27 year old Kane re-signing for? My guess is he'll be looking for 5 years or more at 5.5 to 6 mil aav.

Given what he brings to the table, I'd move him.

 

Speed, size, 20-25 goals, a 3rd line that's dangerous, terrific forecheck, and a nasty streak?  Yeah, we don't have room for that.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 01:40 PM

Speed, size, 20-25 goals, a 3rd line that's dangerous, terrific forecheck, and a nasty streak? Yeah, we don't have room for that.

Well we may not have cap room

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 01:42 PM

Well we may not have cap room

 

Funny how those things work themselves out on good teams.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 01:46 PM

Funny how those things work themselves out on good teams.

They could make it work with Gionta, Gorges and Moulson off the books. It just may take moving a commodity like Kane to get the Dman they desperately need.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:09 PM

Speed, size, 20-25 goals, a 3rd line that's dangerous, terrific forecheck, and a nasty streak?  Yeah, we don't have room for that.


I have one problem with this assessment, he doesn't use his linemates effectively. He's a puck hog and it actually hinders the abilities of his linemates more often than not.

I'd rather the money went elsewhere to be honest. Not that he is an over all bad player, just that I feel the team can do better.

He could fetch a decent young top 4 LED in a deal. I'm still looking hard at Anaheim.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:10 PM

Just guessing but I don't think a winger Samson is going to get anything close to the center Jack contract some of you are assuming. They are also going to be on RFA deals and not UFA deals which will also keep both of them more affordable then the Kane-Toews contracts were. We'll also have an influx of ELC guys coming thru the ranks that'll help the salary cap. 



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:16 PM

Couple more items on Kane:

 

- In evaluating his production this year, the 3 broken ribs have to be considered.  He broke them on opening night (Oct 13), came back less than 4 weeks later (Nov. 9) and was clearly not himself for the following 3 weeks -- he had zero goals in the 10 games he played in in November.  In the 23 games starting Dec. 3 -- about 7.5 weeks after breakin the ribs -- he has 12 goals -- which is a 40+ goal pace. 

 

So while I appreciate that that is a selective look at his numbers, I also think it's fair to say that when healthy he's been better than a 20-25 goal scorer this year.

 

- As for Hamilton's report that Kane "isn't the most well liked" guy on the team -- while this could certainly be true, it's also quite possible that Hamilton has an axe to grind with Kane. When Kane missed practice last year after the NBA all-star game, Hamilton wildly exaggerated the negativity of Gionta's reaction (the exaggeration was exposed by the video of Hamilton interviewing Gionta about it).  That episode seriously damaged Hamilton's credibility, IMHO, at least as regards Hamilton's descriptions of the team's attitude towards Kane.


I have one problem with this assessment, he doesn't use his linemates effectively. He's a puck hog and it actually hinders the abilities of his linemates more often than not.

I'd rather the money went elsewhere to be honest. Not that he is an over all bad player, just that I feel the team can do better.

He could fetch a decent young top 4 LED in a deal. I'm still looking hard at Anaheim.

 

I agree that he isn't much of a passer, but he does create offense for his teammates by (i) winning faceoffs and (ii) forechecking and crashing the net, which creates rebound opportunities for his linemates (I think Gionta has cashed a few of these).



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:21 PM

I have one problem with this assessment, he doesn't use his linemates effectively. He's a puck hog and it actually hinders the abilities of his linemates more often than not.

I'd rather the money went elsewhere to be honest. Not that he is an over all bad player, just that I feel the team can do better.

He could fetch a decent young top 4 LED in a deal. I'm still looking hard at Anaheim.

 

You're right.  He's not perfect.  That's why he's best suited to playing on the 3rd line, where there is a need for a primary puck carrier.  I've noticed that Gionta seems to be having his best success this year with Kane on the opposite side, and last night's efforts are pretty good evidence of his ability to make things happen for his linemates. 

 

Frankly, there are very few players with Kane's mix in the NHL.  You usually have to be a lottery team to draft them.

 

And there isn't consensus that he can fetch a young top 4 D man.  It may take a fair bit more than Kane, which means we'll deplete other areas to shore up this one.  It's not a slam dunk that moving Kane (or more likely Kane +) is going to result in a net improvement in the team.  Kane brings alot.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:24 PM

Couple more items on Kane:

- In evaluating his production this year, the 3 broken ribs have to be considered. He broke them on opening night (Oct 13), came back less than 4 weeks later (Nov. 9) and was clearly not himself for the following 3 weeks -- he had zero goals in the 10 games he played in in November. In the 23 games starting Dec. 3 -- about 7.5 weeks after breakin the ribs -- he has 12 goals -- which is a 40+ goal pace.

So while I appreciate that that is a selective look at his numbers, I also think it's fair to say that when healthy he's been better than a 20-25 goal scorer this year.


This has been true every year beyond his rookie season. Yet, he always ends up with only 20-25. Why? Because he misses ~15 games every single year.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 04:16 PM

This has been true every year beyond his rookie season. Yet, he always ends up with only 20-25. Why? Because he misses ~15 games every single year.

 

Fair point.  I guess I think though that as long as the missed games aren't playoff games (if such a mystical thing does in fact exist), it's a price I'm willing to pay. 

 

He also plays a playoff-kinda game, FWIW.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 04:24 PM

I'd love to see Kane driving our third line in the playoffs.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 04:41 PM

I'd love to see Kane driving our third line in the playoffs.

 

Absolutely.  You know you are a team talented enough to go places when you've got talent like Kane on the 3rd line.  What a great matchup that is against most teams' third lines.


 

 

He also plays a playoff-kinda game, FWIW.

 

Agreed.  Fast, aggressive, skilled, and sometimes violent. 

 

Who was the last Sabre to have that?  Are we going back to Markus' dad?



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:16 PM

I'd love to see Kane driving our third line in the playoffs.

Absolutely.  You know you are a team talented enough to go places when you've got talent like Kane on the 3rd line.  What a great matchup that is against most teams' third lines.

 

I really like Reino-Kane-Gionta as the 3rd line. 

 

The problem is the skill void on Jack's wing left by moving Reino. 

 

If Moulson or Ennis could just step up...



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:20 PM

As long as Kane is stapled to the 3rd line, accepting of being stapled there, and willing to be paid commensurate with a 20-25 goal, 45 point player...I'm fine with keeping him long term. But I suspect at least one of those things is not going to hold.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:55 PM

As long as Kane is stapled to the 3rd line, accepting of being stapled there, and willing to be paid commensurate with a 20-25 goal, 45 point player...I'm fine with keeping him long term. But I suspect at least one of those things is not going to hold.

 

How much is that?  He currently makes $5.25MM, and he'll get more than that as a FA.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 07:16 PM

Accidently posted this in the GDT.

Good points on the pros of Kane in this thread.

The cons though, are most likely insurmountable. That being money, term and to some, lack of team play with his linemates.

Move him this deadline or off season if a deal like shea Theodore presents itself is my opinion.

Just for fun though, Anaheim is against the cap more than we are right now.

To Anaheim: (projected cap hit, 76.8 - LTIR relief, 4.98 - current cap projection, 71.82)

Kane 5.25 aav 6.00 sal (1 yr)
Nillson 1.00 aav 1.00 sal (UFA)
Girgensons 1.15 aav 1.15 sal (RFA)
Total: 8.40 aav


To Buffalo: (Projected cap hit, 71.6 - LTIR relief, 0 - current cap projection, 71.6)

Stoner 3.25 aav 3.25 sal (1 yr)
Bernier 4.15 aav 4.15 sal (UFA)
Theodore 863,333 aav 832,500 sal (ELC)
Nick Ritchie 1,627,500 aav 925,000 sal with 850,000 P bonus (RFA)
Total: 9.1 aav

I included the salaries because Anaheim has internal cap? Just something to look at.

So, Bernier had been playing bad lately and he's pricey. Give them Nillson for price reduction and appears steadier in play. Both are FA's.
They get Kane and Girgensons for the playoff run and scoring increase they need as well as both can be around next season for it as well.

We get Theodore for an LHD we need and we get Ritchie who has had a tad bit worse struggles than Girgs as the price for swinging the deal. But both are young and appear to need a change of scenery.May have to add something minor pick wise to equalize, not sure though.

Stoner is the cap relief they'd like and he's gone before jack and Sam's new contracts kick in.

My first time trying this, be kind in your flaming :)

Thoughts?

Edited by Scottysabres, 22 January 2017 - 07:49 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 07:41 PM

How much is that? He currently makes $5.25MM, and he'll get more than that as a FA.


Well, Okposo is a 20-25 goal 65 point player, and he got $6M x7. Kane's current contract is probably about right, if maybe a little (250-500k) high...but yea, I expect he's looking for a raise.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 11:45 PM

I'd love to see Kane driving our third line in the playoffs.


This is where I am. The concerns about him wanting a pay rise are certainly valid. But accepting that it's hard to say whether we'll be able to keep him, I enjoy thinking about the 3rd-line Kane in the playoffs scenario. I'm thinking it could be a big contributor to success.

I really like Reino-Kane-Gionta as the 3rd line. 
 
The problem is the skill void on Jack's wing left by moving Reino. 
 
If Moulson or Ennis could just step up...


Nylander!

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 01:25 AM

After reading the discussion since I posed my question about Kane re-signing here, it seems almost universal that Kane wouldn't be re-signed when his contract expires.  If this is so, we need to get maximum return for him now or asap.  

 

I'll also give you another couple of reasons to trade him asap. 

1) he has a significant injury history.  He is healthy and playing well, but his style lends itself to injuries.  Best to try to move him when he is healthy because he can go down at any time.

2) He is a streaky scorer.  Move him while he is hot.

3) After Risto and McCabe we have no quality young D here or in Rochester.  Nelson doesn't play in his own end very well, and our best prospects are in Jr's(Guhle) or college (Borgen, Fitzgerald) and we won't have any idea if there are truly NHL ready until they become pros.  Remember it takes 2-3 years for most D prospects to prove they are fully NHL ready.  It's time to fill the gap in the pipeline between Risto and McCabe and Guhle/Borgen/Fitzgerald.

4) We have young depth at wing, even if they aren't fully NHL ready in Carrier, Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching and Nylander.  Carrier is already bringing much of the same game that Kane brings (although he isn't a scorer like Kane).  Most importantly, Nylander is likely going to grab a top 6 job by the end of the 2017-18 season.  We also have the still developing Cornel, Estephan etc...

5) It would be nice to shore up the D soon, since we are relying to heavily on guys like Fedun, Falk, and Franson, which isn't usually a road to success.


Edited by yse325, 23 January 2017 - 01:26 AM.


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:22 AM

After reading the discussion since I posed my question about Kane re-signing here, it seems almost universal that Kane wouldn't be re-signed when his contract expires.  If this is so, we need to get maximum return for him now or asap.  
 
I'll also give you another couple of reasons to trade him asap. 
1) he has a significant injury history.  He is healthy and playing well, but his style lends itself to injuries.  Best to try to move him when he is healthy because he can go down at any time.
2) He is a streaky scorer.  Move him while he is hot.
3) After Risto and McCabe we have no quality young D here or in Rochester.  Nelson doesn't play in his own end very well, and our best prospects are in Jr's(Guhle) or college (Borgen, Fitzgerald) and we won't have any idea if there are truly NHL ready until they become pros.  Remember it takes 2-3 years for most D prospects to prove they are fully NHL ready.  It's time to fill the gap in the pipeline between Risto and McCabe and Guhle/Borgen/Fitzgerald.
4) We have young depth at wing, even if they aren't fully NHL ready in Carrier, Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching and Nylander.  Carrier is already bringing much of the same game that Kane brings (although he isn't a scorer like Kane).  Most importantly, Nylander is likely going to grab a top 6 job by the end of the 2017-18 season.  We also have the still developing Cornel, Estephan etc...
5) It would be nice to shore up the D soon, since we are relying to heavily on guys like Fedun, Falk, and Franson, which isn't usually a road to success.


We definitely need defense.
LHD and RHD up and down the organization.

I will say this, Fasching, Bailey and Baptiste are all RW'ers. Are left wing depth is pretty thin. Don't expect Nylander up in 17-18 nor 18-19. He's going to need a couple of seasons in the AHL to develop size and adjust to the adult game. It's already showing.

Goaltending, we have to fill the pipeline because great save the other night or not, Lehner has some real post hugging issues.

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:32 AM

And Carrier doesn't have Kane's game.  he doesn't have the nasty, and he doesn't have the goal scoring.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 08:08 AM

And Carrier doesn't have Kane's game.  he doesn't have the nasty, and he doesn't have the goal scoring.

He doesn't have the goal-scoring but he's at least as nasty.  92 hits in 32 games compared to 62 hits in 35 games for Kane, and he's delivered some devastating hits this year (the Backes hit is the first that comes to mind).



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 08:55 AM

I'm glad Kane isn't hitting as much. He was wreckless key throwing his body around like Kaleta beforehand

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 08:56 AM

He doesn't have the goal-scoring but he's at least as nasty. 92 hits in 32 games compared to 62 hits in 35 games for Kane, and he's delivered some devastating hits this year (the Backes hit is the first that comes to mind).


Yes indeed.

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 09:36 AM

Agreed.  Fast, aggressive, skilled, and sometimes violent. 

 

Who was the last Sabre to have that?  Are we going back to Markus' dad?

 

Michael Peca...only a mere 7 years ago!



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 10:14 AM

 

4) We have young depth at wing, even if they aren't fully NHL ready in Carrier, Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching and Nylander.  Carrier is already bringing much of the same game that Kane brings (although he isn't a scorer like Kane).  Most importantly, Nylander is likely going to grab a top 6 job by the end of the 2017-18 season.  We also have the still developing Cornel, Estephan etc...

 

None of Carrier, Bailey or Baptiste has shown any sign whatsoever of being able to score 25+ at the NHL level.  There is certainly reason for hope with Nylander, but he has 17 pts in 35 AHL games this year.  That does not indicate the ability to be a good NHL player next year.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 10:42 AM

He doesn't have the goal-scoring but he's at least as nasty. 92 hits in 32 games compared to 62 hits in 35 games for Kane, and he's delivered some devastating hits this year (the Backes hit is the first that comes to mind).

It's a different kind of nasty. (Yes I just posted that) Carrier is a nice player and all but I don't think he carries the same cache as Kane who can wreck you with his body or his fists. Dudes aren't lining up to take on Evander. Opponents get real shy when he's on the ice. This would have meant more 10-20 years ago but it still means something, especially come playoff time.

For whatever reason, probably because the NHL wants it, the typical power forward of yesteryear seems to flourish in the postseason. Your Bickells, Abdelkaders, Lucices (?) become super human and very effective. Kane is that and then some.

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 12:51 PM

I'll say that if Kane is kept and plays on the third line, you're looking at Foligno or Carrier cost players on the wing on lines #1 and #2 to supplement ROR-Eichel-Reinhart-Okposo. It doesn't look like there's a realistic way to keep Kane and bring in any big-money players for the wings in the top-6. For that matter, Gionta on the 3rd too seems like a lot of money for a 3rd line. I'm not opposed to the idea of 3 roughly equal lines; having $9.5M in two third line players almost requires that each line has a low-cost player.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:16 PM

I'll say that if Kane is kept and plays on the third line, you're looking at Foligno or Carrier cost players on the wing on lines #1 and #2 to supplement ROR-Eichel-Reinhart-Okposo. It doesn't look like there's a realistic way to keep Kane and bring in any big-money players for the wings in the top-6. For that matter, Gionta on the 3rd too seems like a lot of money for a 3rd line. I'm not opposed to the idea of 3 roughly equal lines; having $9.5M in two third line players almost requires that each line has a low-cost player.

 

That is where a pipeline of guys like Nylander and Bailey is important.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:24 PM

We aren't going to re-sign someone for $5.5 to $6 per season with the intention of them being a 3rd line LW.  Sometimes a guy is signed to a big contract (Moulson) craps out and becomes a lower line player, but no GM spends that kind of money on a 3rd line player intentionally.  

 

Also Bailey and Baptiste have good scoring touch and both have 20-25 goal NHL potential.  Both guys are 21 and will likely continue to improve.  Both also play physical and skate very well.  Both are tied for 6th in AHL goals with 17. Baptiste has done it in 34 games which Bailey, who is on a 7 game goal scoring streak, has 17 in 35.  He has really blossomed since scoring his 1st NHL goal a few weeks ago.  Also both are even or + guys on the worst team in the Eastern AHL. Nylander also has 20-25 goal potential, but I see him more in a playmaker role in the NHL.  

 

To further the notion of how desperate we are for defense in our entire organization we have only 4 draftees playing in all 3 levels of the organization.  They are Risto and McCabe in the NHL, Austin (and he was signed to an AHL ELC) in the AHL and Martin in the ECHL (although he is in Roch as an injury fill in right now).  Furthermore, Rochester's D, after 28 year olds Fedun and Falk were called up, consists primarily of older AHL vets and college FAs.  Not exactly a group of top prospects or a group that has been very good in the AHL.  The guys with the most games are ECHL/AHL vet Burgdoerfer, 28, College FA Nelson, 24, AHL Vet Mac Bennett, 25, NHL/AHL vet Strachan, 32, Austin, 24, and College FA Paul Geiger 25.  None have an NHL future.

 

Again trade Kane now while the iron is hot.  We are not a playoff team and we can't go another season with no D depth in the NHL or AHL.  GMTM you have failed the organization this season.


Edited by yse325, 23 January 2017 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:38 PM

There is almost no way he signs for less than $6 million per.

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 09:48 PM

We aren't going to re-sign someone for $5.5 to $6 per season with the intention of them being a 3rd line LW.  Sometimes a guy is signed to a big contract (Moulson) craps out and becomes a lower line player, but no GM spends that kind of money on a 3rd line player intentionally.  

 

Also Bailey and Baptiste have good scoring touch and both have 20-25 goal NHL potential.  Both guys are 21 and will likely continue to improve.  Both also play physical and skate very well.  Both are tied for 6th in AHL goals with 17. Baptiste has done it in 34 games which Bailey, who is on a 7 game goal scoring streak, has 17 in 35.  He has really blossomed since scoring his 1st NHL goal a few weeks ago.  Also both are even or + guys on the worst team in the Eastern AHL. Nylander also has 20-25 goal potential, but I see him more in a playmaker role in the NHL.  

 

To further the notion of how desperate we are for defense in our entire organization we have only 4 draftees playing in all 3 levels of the organization.  They are Risto and McCabe in the NHL, Austin (and he was signed to an AHL ELC) in the AHL and Martin in the ECHL (although he is in Roch as an injury fill in right now).  Furthermore, Rochester's D, after 28 year olds Fedun and Falk were called up, consists primarily of older AHL vets and college FAs.  Not exactly a group of top prospects or a group that has been very good in the AHL.  The guys with the most games are ECHL/AHL vet Burgdoerfer, 28, College FA Nelson, 24, AHL Vet Mac Bennett, 25, NHL/AHL vet Strachan, 32, Austin, 24, and College FA Paul Geiger 25.  None have an NHL future.

 

Again trade Kane now while the iron is hot.  We are not a playoff team and we can't go another season with no D depth in the NHL or AHL.  GMTM you have failed the organization this season.

 

Your points about the D are reasonable, but Kane is not a 3rd line LW.  He's 4th on the team among forwards in ice time.  He's also 2nd in goals -- just 2 fewer than KO but in 10 fewer games.

 

Kane is also playing exactly the kind of game that GMTM wanted when he traded for him. 

 

Unless something is going on behind the scenes with Kane (which, as I've mentioned previously, I think is possible), I don't think he's going to be traded.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 10:28 PM

Your points about the D are reasonable, but Kane is not a 3rd line LW.  He's 4th on the team among forwards in ice time.  He's also 2nd in goals -- just 2 fewer than KO but in 10 fewer games.

 

Kane is also playing exactly the kind of game that GMTM wanted when he traded for him. 

 

Unless something is going on behind the scenes with Kane (which, as I've mentioned previously, I think is possible), I don't think he's going to be traded.

 

Ok, except how do you re-sign him?  Can we afford to pay him $6 mill per season for a guy who is injury prone, often has attitude problems and has only 1 season (5+ years ago) over 20 goals?  If we can't re-sign then we must trade him.  

 

Ask yourself, who has been the healthier and more productive player in his career, Okposo or Kane?  We are playing Kyle $6 per season. Are you willing to pay Kane what we are paying Okposo?  Is he any where near as valuable to the team as Okposo?


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:05 AM

Accidently posted this in the GDT.
Good points on the pros of Kane in this thread.
The cons though, are most likely insurmountable. That being money, term and to some, lack of team play with his linemates.
Move him this deadline or off season if a deal like shea Theodore presents itself is my opinion.
Just for fun though, Anaheim is against the cap more than we are right now.
To Anaheim: (projected cap hit, 76.8 - LTIR relief, 4.98 - current cap projection, 71.82)
Kane 5.25 aav 6.00 sal (1 yr)
Nillson 1.00 aav 1.00 sal (UFA)
Girgensons 1.15 aav 1.15 sal (RFA)
Total: 8.40 aav
To Buffalo: (Projected cap hit, 71.6 - LTIR relief, 0 - current cap projection, 71.6)
Stoner 3.25 aav 3.25 sal (1 yr)
Bernier 4.15 aav 4.15 sal (UFA)
Theodore 863,333 aav 832,500 sal (ELC)
Nick Ritchie 1,627,500 aav 925,000 sal with 850,000 P bonus (RFA)
Total: 9.1 aav
I included the salaries because Anaheim has internal cap? Just something to look at.
So, Bernier had been playing bad lately and he's pricey. Give them Nillson for price reduction and appears steadier in play. Both are FA's.
They get Kane and Girgensons for the playoff run and scoring increase they need as well as both can be around next season for it as well.
We get Theodore for an LHD we need and we get Ritchie who has had a tad bit worse struggles than Girgs as the price for swinging the deal. But both are young and appear to need a change of scenery.May have to add something minor pick wise to equalize, not sure though.
Stoner is the cap relief they'd like and he's gone before jack and Sam's new contracts kick in.
My first time trying this, be kind in your flaming :)
Thoughts?


Good stuff here.

I think at least one of the seconds this year will have to be added

The Ducks window is closing fast and no team is dominant in the West.


They maybe make this move

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:33 AM

Scotty, you are making this harder then need be.

 

Kane and Nelson for Stoner and Theodore (or Montour) with us eating about $1,000,000 in Kane's cap hit for this season.  Remember Kane cap hit for the season is 5.25 and Stoner's is 3.25, but we are over the 50% of the season mark thus over 1/2 of their cap hits have been paid.  I guesstimate that Kane has about 2.60 left and Stoner about 1.6 if the trade was done today, however by the deadline Kane will be down to 1.3 with Stoner down to about 800K.  

 

Frankly, I think both teams would be better off doing a deal sooner, if Ana is truly interested in making a run.



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:55 AM

Good stuff here.
I think at least one of the seconds this year will have to be added
The Ducks window is closing fast and no team is dominant in the West.
They maybe make this move

  

I think if we are to get Theodore, cap plays a big role with any dealings with Anaheim. We are both so tight to the ceiling.

Scotty, you are making this harder then need be.
 
Kane and Nelson for Stoner and Theodore (or Montour) with us eating about $1,000,000 in Kane's cap hit for this season.  Remember Kane cap hit for the season is 5.25 and Stoner's is 3.25, but we are over the 50% of the season mark thus over 1/2 of their cap hits have been paid.  I guesstimate that Kane has about 2.60 left and Stoner about 1.6 if the trade was done today, however by the deadline Kane will be down to 1.3 with Stoner down to about 800K.  
 
Frankly, I think both teams would be better off doing a deal sooner, if Ana is truly interested in making a run.


2 million pro rated for remainder of season puts Anaheim over the cap by 800,000. There has to be more roster players involved, and Anaheim will be looking for internal cap relief. This type of deal gives them an additional 700,000 which moves their number from 71.82 to 71.12, leaving them 1.88 in cap space as opposed to 1.18.

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 11:21 AM

None of Carrier, Bailey or Baptiste has shown any sign whatsoever of being able to score 25+ at the NHL level.  There is certainly reason for hope with Nylander, but he has 17 pts in 35 AHL games this year.  That does not indicate the ability to be a good NHL player next year.

Bailey is on a roll in AHL, if the price is right for Kane at deadline I move him 



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 03:26 PM

Bailey is on a roll in AHL, if the price is right for Kane at deadline I move him


The AHL isn't the NHL in terms of scoring but I agree with this sentiment.