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Posted 30 November 2016 - 09:36 AM

On Gorges, from Travis Yost:

 

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Some of this decline is surely due to going from the Habs to the Sabres, but I don't think that accounts for the whole shebang. Methinks there's been some very real decline in his on-ice capabilities.

 

Oh, and he's an anchor to Ristolainen (not that I blame Gorges for Bylsma's player usage). Obligatory small sample warning (they've been together for 258 ES minutes, Risto apart from Gorges for 91, and Gorges apart from Risto for 51):

 

                    CF%   CF60   CA60   GF%   GF60   GA60                                       

Together            40.5  43.6   64.1   35.7  1.16   2.09

Risto w/o Gorges    53.5  59.6   51.8   66.7  1.31   0.66

Gorges w/o Risto    34.7  38.9   73.0   33.3  1.18   2.36

 

Last season when I pulled up these numbers, Risto was better offensively without Gorges but suffered defensively. So far this year (and I stress so far), Risto has been worse with Gorges across the board. If the pairing remains together once Kulikov or Bogo is back, I may just lose my mind. I don't care if it's McCabe-Risto and Gorges-Bogosian or Kulikov-Risto and McCabe-Bogo (assuming one of our missing D returns before the other), GET GORGES AWAY FROM RISTO DAMMIT! 

TSN had an article about pulling down possession numbers, Gorges named popped up on their list. Ristolainen suffers an 11.7% drop in his CF% when on the ice with Gorges. 

http://www.tsn.ca/st...ession-1.619409

 

This all said I like Gorges. I think he is a solid stay at home defender and there isn't anything wrong with that. The issue is that type of player is, to an extent dying in the corsi driven NHL. Gorges is an interesting study because is he bad? or is he just not offensive oriented?


Edited by LGR4GM, 30 November 2016 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 10:30 AM

TSN had an article about pulling down possession numbers, Gorges named popped up on their list. Ristolainen suffers an 11.7% drop in his CF% when on the ice with Gorges.
http://www.tsn.ca/st...ession-1.619409

This all said I like Gorges. I think he is a solid stay at home defender and there isn't anything wrong with that. The issue is that type of player is, to an extent dying in the corsi driven NHL. Gorges is an interesting study because is he bad? or is he just not offensive oriented?


I would argue that a player who cannot complete a basic hockey play, such as an unforced pass, is in fact simply a bad player. More broadly, I think way too often people will label a defenseman who is bad offensively as a "defensive defenseman" by default, without actually bother to analyze whether the individual actually brings defense value. Bad offense does not mean good defense, nor is the inverse of that inherently true, yet I think that's how the labels get thrown around.

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 04:42 PM


How about some alternate nicknames for Disco Dan?

Dismal Dan?

Downbeat Dan?

Dour Dan?

Depressing Dan?

Discouraging Dan?

Downer Dan?


GOOBER!

Edited by JJFIVEOH, 30 November 2016 - 04:42 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:55 PM

Didn't wanna bring this back right after a loss so waited a day.

I thought a lot about the wins and losses over the last week. I don't like Bylsma's system regardless. There's just something off about it.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:08 PM

Dismal Dan...music from the Great Depression.

 



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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:09 PM

Bruce Garrioch quotes league sources to say Dan Bylsma is on the hot seat.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:15 PM

Bruce Garrioch quotes league sources to say Dan Bylsma is on the hot seat.


So Dan's definitely not on the hot seat.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:16 PM

Incoming 10 year extension for Bylsma.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:21 PM

Not sure I believe he is. I just can't fathom how hard it is to coach your guys to give puck support and always have someone in front of the net. I think we fail at the very basics of hockey more often than a team with this talent should.

Edited by LGR4GM, 04 December 2016 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:32 PM

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:44 PM

Is that the Florida guy?

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:52 PM

I like Gerald Gallant but he's almost like a Ted Nolan in terms of coaching style. Can't imagine gmtm is looking for that kind of coach.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 11:05 PM

Is that the Florida guy?

 

Yeppers


I like Gerald Gallant but he's almost like a Ted Nolan in terms of coaching style. Can't imagine gmtm is looking for that kind of coach.

 

Two very different coaches. 


Edited by JJFIVEOH, 04 December 2016 - 11:23 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:11 AM


Two very different coaches.


How so ?

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:38 AM

How so ?


You'd have to watch some of their games. They are one of the fastest teams in the league and Spuddy plays to the strengths of the roster. He does like to have enough physicality so that nobody can come in and push them around. He lost that in Gudbranson and Kulikov. Nolan never had a fast team to work with so I can't compare the two in that regard.

Not really sure what you mean by Murray not wanting a coach like Nolan.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:45 AM

You'd have to watch some of their games. They are one of the fastest teams in the league and Spuddy plays to the strengths of the roster. He does like to have enough physicality so that nobody can come in and push them around. He lost that in Gudbranson and Kulikov. Nolan never had a fast team to work with so I can't compare the two in that regard.

Not really sure what you mean by Murray not wanting a coach like Nolan.


Gmtm is on the cutting edge with advanced stats and zone starts, old school hockey style. I just think Murray would prefer a hockey "nerd" to coach the team then the old school approach. Puck possession and all that.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 07:51 AM

One thing I don't want to see is Nolan coaching. Not an NHL coach.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 08:27 AM

So Dan's definitely not on the hot seat.

Drury admired his pass, Neil took advantage with a borderline legal hit. Get over it already.


Bruce Garrioch quotes league sources to say Dan Bylsma is on the hot seat.

"Executives believe..."

 

http://www.ottawasun...35d49215785526a



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:39 AM

Dismal Dan...music from the Great Depression.

 

Oh, you mean my entire life as a Buffalo sports fan?



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:03 AM

Oh, you mean my entire life as a Buffalo sports fan?

 

Don't worry, doom is right around the corner.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:04 AM

How oddly comforting.  At least it means I'm not paranoid.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:55 AM

I'm part of the camp that believes injuries + contract means Bylsma survives the season unless we get healthy and continue to play like we did in November.

That said, I haven't seen anybody talking about the fact that Dan's replacement - at least short-term - is standing right next to him in the bench: Terry Murray.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:58 AM

I'm part of the camp that believes injuries + contract means Bylsma survives the season unless we get healthy and continue to play like we did in November.

That said, I haven't seen anybody talking about the fact that Dan's replacement - at least short-term - is standing right next to him in the bench: Terry Murray.

I would guess when Bylsma gets fired, Murray is at least the temporary replacement. 



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:30 PM

Tim Murray hired the "qualified" "cup-winning" "coach" to convince Terry Pegs he was trying, but he was really creating the perfect conditions for the start of a Murray Dynasty.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:35 PM

Well, Russ Brandon set his own brother up with a posh sinecure type executive job with the Bills -  and  there's Rex Ryan's brother as Defensive poohbah, and of course T-Peg set his own wife up with a top level job in the franchises, so why the heck not GMTM's uncle as HC?  The nepotism runs deep in this, the Pegula Empire. 


Edited by Jsixspd, 05 December 2016 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:40 PM

Well, Russ Brandon set his own brother up with a posh sinecure type executive job with the Bills -  and  there's Rex Ryan's brother as Defensive poohbah, and of course T-Peg set his own wife up with a top level job in the franchises, so why the heck not GMTM's uncle as HC?  The nepotism runs deep in this, the Pegula Empire. 

I could kiss you.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:44 PM

:o  :sick:



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Posted 06 December 2016 - 03:18 PM

Well, Russ Brandon set his own brother up with a posh sinecure type executive job with the Bills -  and  there's Rex Ryan's brother as Defensive poohbah, and of course T-Peg set his own wife up with a top level job in the franchises, so why the heck not GMTM's uncle as HC?  The nepotism runs deep in this, the Pegula Empire.

Russ's brother works as an attorney for the bills I believe

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 05:33 PM

Gmtm is on the cutting edge with advanced stats and zone starts, old school hockey style. I just think Murray would prefer a hockey "nerd" to coach the team then the old school approach. Puck possession and all that.


Murray was pretty against analytics when he came to BFLO and he's only warmed up to the idea recently. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got.

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:09 PM

Russ's brother works as an attorney for the bills I believe


That, and Kim is actually a co-owner of the Bills. I guess she set herself up with a "top level" job.

Edited by kas23, 06 December 2016 - 10:10 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:41 PM

Murray was pretty against analytics when he came to BFLO and he's only warmed up to the idea recently. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got.


I'm not sure this is accurate.

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:47 PM

I'm not sure this is accurate.


Which part is inaccurate?

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:55 PM

I think GMTM has always had aan appreciation of what anaytics can add to the equation. Not a belief that it is the equation. Just another measure to use.

 

And since Dan didn't use Eichel to start this game, fire him.



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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:57 PM

I think you are right and wrong JJ.
Murray is a sponge when it comes to new ways of gathering information. He is always very informed whenever any kind of analytics talk comes up. He pays guys to aggressively gather and analyze data. He talks about it in terms of fitness, scouting, player deployment, tactics, you name it.
But what he never does is commit to buying in to a certain analysis as the be-all-and-end-all. He uses it to challenge himself and his staff, but in the end he trusts what he sees on the ice first.

EDIT: BeerMe said it better while I was typing.

Edited by dudacek, 06 December 2016 - 10:58 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:59 PM

Travis Yost who is an analytics writer for TSN mentioned shortly after Murray was hired that GMTM was one of the first front office personnel in the NHL to embrace analytics.  



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Posted 06 December 2016 - 11:55 PM

I think you're all correct to an extent. My point was in response to Briere48 who said Murray is on the cutting edge of advanced stats (but then finished off the statement with "old school style" which I'm not quite sure what he meant). I know Murray doesn't shy away from analytics, but I know at one point when he was hired, some criticized him for his reluctance to use it more often. It was discussed here as well. While he's probably broadened his horizon in terms of analytics, I don't think a coach like Spuddy is out of his range. While Spuddy is old school himself, he's been working with a staff that is over the top analytical at this point in time. He just didn't like the fact that his character players were traded and nobody upstairs even considered the fact that the character/heart aspect more than made up for their analytical downfalls. 



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Posted 07 December 2016 - 12:05 AM

I think you're all correct to an extent. My point was in response to Briere48 who said Murray is on the cutting edge of advanced stats (but then finished off the statement with "old school style" which I'm not quite sure what he meant). I know Murray doesn't shy away from analytics, but I know at one point when he was hired, some criticized him for his reluctance to use it more often. It was discussed here as well. While he's probably broadened his horizon in terms of analytics, I don't think a coach like Spuddy is out of his range. While Spuddy is old school himself, he's been working with a staff that is over the top analytical at this point in time. He just didn't like the fact that his character players were traded and nobody upstairs even considered the fact that the character/heart aspect more than made up for their analytical downfalls. 

 

Good catch, i was typing from my cell phone and forgot the word "not". I'm sorry for the confusion. (Not old school style- should have read)



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Posted 07 December 2016 - 12:08 AM

Good catch, i was typing from my cell phone and forgot the word "not". I'm sorry for the confusion. (Not old school style- should have read)

 

Haha, thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense.  ;)



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Posted 09 December 2016 - 09:58 PM

Another rousing game of crap courtesy of Dan Bylsma's 2008 system that doesn't work.

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 10:28 PM

I like Gerald Gallant but he's almost like a Ted Nolan in terms of coaching style. Can't imagine gmtm is looking for that kind of coach.

Gerard Gallant.

 

Is Bylsma fired yet?