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#1 GASabresFan

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:49 PM

Lehner, Larsson and Baloo all file for arbitration.

Baloo had 28 pts tied with Muzzin, Petry, Demers and Vlasic. He played 19 minutes on average and was +8. The fact of his benching late in the year hurts his case. 1 can see a 2.5 mill award if it goes to a hearing.

Larsson. I'm not sure where he is negotiating from. 11 pts, -7 isn't much leverage.

Lehner. He has good leverage. How much does a starting goalie get these days? 4 mill? More? 59gms (58 starts) 2.68 gga and .920 save %. Save % was 8th in the NHL of goalies with 40 games or more. 58 starts was 13th.

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:55 PM

Lehner, Larsson and Baloo all file for arbitration.

Baloo had 28 pts tied with Muzzin, Petry, Demers and Vlasic. He played 19 minutes on average and was +8. The fact of his benching late in the year hurts his case. 1 can see a 2.5 mill award if it goes to a hearing.

Larsson. I'm not sure where he is negotiating from. 11 pts, -7 isn't much leverage.

Lehner. He has good leverage. How much does a starting goalie get these days? 4 mill? More? 59gms (58 starts) 2.68 gga and .920 save %. Save % was 8th in the NHL of goalies with 40 games or more. 58 starts was 13th.

 

I'm interested in the Lehner arbitration the most. I'm pretty sure injury history is taken into consideration so it's going to be fascinating to see how it unfolds if it really does wind up being settled by the arbitrator. 



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:02 PM

Admissible evidence:
1. Overall performance
2. Injury/illness
3. Length of service
4. Overall contribution to success or failure of the team
5. Special qualities of leadership or public appeal
6. Performance and salary of any player alleged to be comparable
Good luck, Robyn.

#4 ThirtyEight

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:30 PM

Not good for J-Bot. Let's hope we settle before



#5 mustacheofgod

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:30 PM

Only a small percentage of players who file for arbitration actually make it there. That being said, I could see Lehner going all the way here.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:35 PM

Admissible evidence:
1. Overall performance
2. Injury/illness
3. Length of service
4. Overall contribution to success or failure of the team
5. Special qualities of leadership or public appeal
6. Performance and salary of any player alleged to be comparable
Good luck, Robyn.

 

I think he finished top 10 in save percentage last year? He has played parts of 7 seasons and a recent comparable signed for just under $6 million a year. I think he has a good shot at a decent amount.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:19 PM

12th in save % at .920 (Nilsson 10th at .923 only 26GP)

GAA 2.68 31st in the league

13th in the league for TOI at 3405:28

3rd in shots at 1928 and in saves 1758

2 shutouts good for 34th in the league.

23 wins is at 23rd league wide.

I'd give him 3x4M and if he doesn't want it let it go to the arbitrator. I believe since he elected we could choose 1 or 2 year deal

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:39 PM

I think he finished top 10 in save percentage last year? He has played parts of 7 seasons and a recent comparable signed for just under $6 million a year. I think he has a good shot at a decent amount.


Might be a stretch to call Jones a comparable. Since May 2015 only 4 goalies have signed for an AAV of 5M or more and they were each at least 5 years in term.

Carey Price 8 x 10.5M
Frederick Andersen 5 x 5M
Martin Jones 6 x 5.75M
Braden Holtby 5 x 6.10M

What i would consider comparables over that same time frame

Cam Talbot 3 x 4.17M
James Reimer 5 x 3.40M
Jake Allen 4 x 4.35M
Jacob Markstrom 3 x 3.67M
Petr Mrazek 2 x 4M
Scott Darling 4 x 4.5M

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:17 PM

Might be a stretch to call Jones a comparable. Since May 2015 only 4 goalies have signed for an AAV of 5M or more and they were each at least 5 years in term.

Carey Price 8 x 10.5M
Frederick Andersen 5 x 5M
Martin Jones 6 x 5.75M
Braden Holtby 5 x 6.10M

What i would consider comparables over that same time frame

Cam Talbot 3 x 4.17M
James Reimer 5 x 3.40M
Jake Allen 4 x 4.35M
Jacob Markstrom 3 x 3.67M
Petr Mrazek 2 x 4M
Scott Darling 4 x 4.5M

Nice work here. I love it when someone gets all fired up to look at numbers. Based on what you have here I'd give Lehner somewhere around Reimer's money at a much shorter term. I wonder what the sticking point is? Term? Money?

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:42 PM

Jones wasn't signed as an RFA 


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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:43 PM

He won't get less than five mil per, regardless of term.

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:46 PM

Not good for J-Bot. Let's hope we settle before

 

It's fine for JBot.  That's why he signed Josefson and The Big Johnson.  If he has to pay Boy-Low, so be it.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 09:55 PM

Lehner's save % may be decent but it does not take in his ineptness in the shootout. That certainly should be an arbitration consideration.



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 05:56 AM

Lehner's save % may be decent but it does not take in his ineptness in the shootout. That certainly should be an arbitration consideration.

 

Honestly, i'm not really sure why people care about his shootout percentage. It would have zero effect on us winning a cup, as when it matters it isn't used. If it was the difference between us getting into the playoffs or not, that's a different matter - but even then, we shouldn't be fighting so hard that 4 points is the difference. I don't want another bubble team after this tank.

 

Also, he faced 8 shots in the shootout, which means no forwards scored either - so the shootout loses aren't just on him.

 

Also you guys are mad if you think Lehner is being awarded anything less than $5 million. Someone found a list and picked the lowest paid player on there, and said that was Lehner's benchmark. Freddy Andersson and Martin Jones are his benchmarks. We might get him for 2 years at $4 million on a bridge deal - but anything more and we are looking at the 5s.

 

I'm not really sure why Lehner gets the hate around here, I get Buffalo is weird about goalies, but i'm not sure what he has done (or not done) for people to consider him a solid starter. He might not win a Vezina or Hart, but that doesn't mean he isn't a solid piece of the puzzle. And he has proved a damn sight more than Ulmark, yet people want to give the keys of the team to him.

 

I assume at some point it is personality based or something? Because Lehner the player is good. He might not play a style you like, but he kept this team in games we had no business being in - honestly without him, last year is almost a tank in my mind. Lundqvist played a weird style when he got to the league and everyone freaked out saying it wouldn't work and he plays too deep in his net... well guess what - it did. Moreover, Lehner's dad was the guy that helped Lundqvist with that weird style...



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:31 AM

Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you!

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 08:05 AM

Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you!

 

Close but no



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 08:57 AM

Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you!

 

Close but no

 

This name will provide countless amusing posts while we wait for the season to start.



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 09:49 AM

Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you!

 

Bowel-ewwwww



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

In today's NHL, much to my dislike, a team needs to win their share of SO to make the playoff.  Just sayin'.

 

Lehner really needs to work on that .



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:48 AM

Close but no


No. It is actually bowl-you, he said it himself.

#21 GASabresFan

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:04 AM

I like Baloo better.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:11 AM

I like Baloo better.

 

Baloo sounds like a cartoon character.  

 

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#23 ShadowLiger

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:34 AM

Baloo sounds like a cartoon character.  

 

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he is... like literally 

 

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:50 AM

kinda hard to put any kind of worth on Lehner...he certainly has not proved much thus far and was stuck in front of a very poor defensive team last season. Maybe another year would really tell the full story. In the meantime, kinda surprised they don't do a one-year deal...



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 12:34 PM

No. It is actually bowl-you, he said it himself.

 

Take it from someone that hears proper French daily , its not.



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 12:45 PM

Take it from someone that hears proper French daily , its not.

 

Who ever said anything about "proper French".    It's how he wants his name pronounced.    My last name sounds nothing like it should in it's native language, but that's they way we pronounce it because that's our preference.   



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 01:45 PM

Who ever said anything about "proper French".    It's how he wants his name pronounced.    My last name sounds nothing like it should in it's native language, but that's they way we pronounce it because that's our preference.   

 

As much as it pains me to agree with pi, he's right.  The pronunciation of my name in its native Polish is nothing like the way Americans (including my family) say it.



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 02:03 PM

Still: Beaux Yoou. : there is no L.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 02:31 PM

Take it from someone that hears proper French daily , its not.


Pretty sure he doesn't even go w/ the French Canadian version of the pronunciation. There's NO WAY he's running w/ Proper French pronunciation. Waaaay too dangerous for a hockey player. Throwing a check while skating w/ that many marbles in one's mouth could definitely lead to potential accidental asphyxiation. :P

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 02:35 PM

Dude...

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 03:04 PM

Pretty sure he doesn't even go w/ the French Canadian version of the pronunciation. There's NO WAY he's running w/ Proper French pronunciation. Waaaay too dangerous for a hockey player. Throwing a check while skating w/ that many marbles in one's mouth could definitely lead to potential accidental asphyxiation. :P

 

People manage to both succeed and fail at the same time with the so called correct pronunciation Benoit Pouliot's name.



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 03:13 PM

People manage to both succeed and fail at the same time with the so called correct pronunciation Benoit Pouliot's name.


His last name should rhyme with a rapper from the 90's, right? And I've never said he name out loud, so it's hard to say which way I'd go.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 03:27 PM

However RJ pronounces it will be the correct way. The lone exception was the way he pronounced Paul Szczechura (if memory serves me he used to call him Sahara).



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 03:58 PM

Pysyk gets 3 years $2,733,333 AAV.  Does that impact Bowl YOU



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 04:11 PM

His last name should rhyme with a rapper from the 90's, right? And I've never said he name out loud, so it's hard to say which way I'd go.


You could have thrown in something about hair as it took me way too long to get to Coolio.

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 04:49 PM

Bowl-you! It's pronounced Bowl-you!


Yup, that's it.

He's the guy I'm most interested in from an arbitration standpoint. Gotta get him locked up beforehand to a good contract, it's of vital importance.

Lehner, not sure I have an opinion one way or another. I honestly don't like going into a season knowing that if Lehner is in net, and the game isn't decided in regulation or OT, it is a GUARANTEED loss. Not when playoffs are the goal and those points matter. I hope his ridiculous shootout stats are brought up if he gets a hearing.

I don't care one iota if Larsson is on this team.

His last name should rhyme with a rapper from the 90's, right? And I've never said he name out loud, so it's hard to say which way I'd go.


On television it's usually just pronounced "Pool - ee - Ott".

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 04:59 PM

As much as it pains me to agree with pi, he's right.  The pronunciation of my name in its native Polish is nothing like the way Americans (including my family) say it.

Doohickski???


he is... like literally 

 

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:05 PM

eliteprospects has a buttton that pronounces the players name, as far as Nathan's goes, I hear an 'l', I would write it as bowl-yer



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:15 PM



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Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:30 PM

Speaking for myself, I know I can sleep much better as a result of getting clarification on Beaulieu's name pronunciation (thanks, pi).  Now, if we can get his contract set.  . .


Edited by tfighter, 06 July 2017 - 07:31 PM.