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#1 ShadowLiger

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:03 PM

Antipin and Beaulieu have been added to a defense corp that was more like a defense corpse. Right now you could argue that our lines have:

McCabe - Risto

Anitpin - Bogo

Baloo - ? Gorges

Guhle - Fedun

 

Is that good enough to make the playoffs or do we need more upgrades? Do you like what Botterill has done thus far?


Edited by ShadowLiger, 17 June 2017 - 02:09 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:14 PM

I'll take another off the radar upgrade like the Beaulieu one. I approve of Botterill's work, so far.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:49 PM

lol'd at "defensive corpse"

Still a lot of question marks and unknowns.. how good is Antipin? Where does Guhle end up? What happens with Bogo and Gorges?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:11 PM

Antipin and Beaulieu have been added to a defense corp that was more like a defense corpse. Right now you could argue that our lines have:

McCabe - Risto

Anitpin - Bogo

Baloo - ? Gorges

Guhle - Fedun

 

Is that good enough to make the playoffs or do we need more upgrades? Do you like what Botterill has done thus far?

 

Already looking much better. Of course we can't assume that Guhle is a lock for next year though I think he will be. I'm really happy with JB so far. Can't give him credit for Antipin as he fell into his lap but this trade today is a steal. Between this and the Housley announcement we've had an awesome week this week, and things are only getting started.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

Antipin and Beaulieu have been added to a defense corp that was more like a defense corpse. Right now you could argue that our lines have:

McCabe - Risto

Anitpin - Bogo

Baloo - ? Gorges

Guhle - Fedun

 

Is that good enough to make the playoffs or do we need more upgrades? Do you like what Botterill has done thus far?

 

McCabe - Ristolainen

Beaulieu - Antipin

Gorges - Bogosian

 

We'll see how it looks further based on the draft and further moves, but Beaulieu was an unexpected treat!



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:01 PM

McCabe - Ristolainen
Beaulieu - Antipin
Gorges - Bogosian

We'll see how it looks further based on the draft and further moves, but Beaulieu was an unexpected treat!


I like that arrangement.

Botterill has potentially gone out and acquired an entirely new second pair, that if things go well could look to really help stabilize our defence while taking some of the load off Risto, before draft week even started (Although, as mentioned, GMTM certainly was a big help with Antipin). Only giving up a 3rd round pick during that process.

Pretty good start.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:16 PM

I hope there are at least two more acquisitions

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

I still think they will acquire a defenseman from Vegas. Say Mibnesota offers a 2nd for Vegas not to take Brodin, maybe Buffalo offers Girgs and a second for them to take him and trade him to Buffalo.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:00 PM

If we had a well-established/stable system then I'd be adamant for Guhle to be in Rochester until the All-Star Game getting top pairing, PP, PK time. But given the AHL staff and system will be new, too, I think he might force our hand and be our 6. Gorges could pair with him to be the steady protective vet and allow Guhle to rush and make mistakes.

 

Now that we we have Beaulieu, I'm very hopeful that Guhle gets his AHL tune-up time. Instead, I think Gorges pairs with Antipin and allows him to rush and acclimate to the smaller ice.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

I just don't think Gorges is at a point in his career talent - no, basic functionality wise, of being able to do any favours for anyone needing help acclimate. He's more likely to be a detriment, and at worst, an anchor.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:37 PM

How did Fedun get back into the picture?  Falk is the one under contract.

 

So right now the D is...

McCabe Risto

Beaulieu Bogo

Gorges Antipin 

Falk

 

I think Guhle starts in Rochester.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:38 PM

I'd like one more Beaulieu type acquisition and one more depth signing, and would be pleasantly surprised for a bigger acquisition (like, Scandella level d-man or higher).



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:27 PM

I'd like one more Beaulieu type acquisition and one more depth signing, and would be pleasantly surprised for a bigger acquisition (like, Scandella level d-man or higher).


I'm close to this, but I'd say the depth signing (Gorges/Falk to press box) is the only one I'm actively looking for, and the additional Beaulieu-type acquisition would be less likely, but a welcome bonus.

See very little chance of a larger acquisition.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:47 PM

Step-1 Do whatever it takes to get Bogo in Vegas, they are probably taking a serious look at taking him anyway.

Step 2- Make a run at Shattenkirk, 6x6M. I'd go up to 7x6.25M if it had to. He's definitely capable of earning that contract, we would have the room for it. Not usually one to want to make a big splash in free agency but he can move the puck and is great offensively. He'd still have trade value on that contract for 5 years.

Step 2B-(If 2 fails) Add another dman, ideally through free agency if not by trade.

Step 3- offense...

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:51 PM

Both Pittsburgh and Nashville grew many of their players into who they are today. I see us doing the same.

I can see us standing pat with Risto,McCabe, Antipin, and Beaulieu being top 4.

They all have the skill sets Housley wants and are young enough to develop.

I think Gorges stays put for now. Last year of a $3.9 contract makes him instant trade bait at deadline. Allows Guhle and Nelson to further develop in Rochester

Guehle ends season in Buffalo once Gorges is traded.

I believe Housley wants a chance to redeem Bogosian. He was a good player prior to trade to Sabres and he's still young. With that much time left in his deal he gets next year to improve or he gets bought out.

I can see us drafting D who will be on team next year.

I can see our D starting 2018-19 being

Risto
McCabe
Beaulieu
Antipin
Guehle
Liljigren/Maker/Bogosian

Rock solid.

Edited by dejeanerret, 18 June 2017 - 07:52 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:56 PM

Both Pittsburgh and Nashville grew many of their players into who they are today. I see us doing the same.

I can see us standing pat with Risto,McCabe, Antipin, and Beaulieu being top 4.

They all have the skill sets Housley wants and are young enough to develop.

I think Gorges stays put for now. Last year of a $3.9 contract makes him instant trade bait at deadline. Allows Guhle and Nelson to further develop in Rochester

Guehle ends season in Buffalo once Gorges is traded.

I believe Housley wants a chance to redeem Bogosian. He was a good player prior to trade to Sabres and he's still young. With that much time left in his deal he gets next year to improve or he gets bought out.

I can see us drafting D who will be on team next year.

I can see our D starting 2018-19 being

Risto
McCabe
Beaulieu
Antipin
Guehle
Liljigren/Maker/Bogosian

Rock solid.

All of this makes sense.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:16 PM

Both Pittsburgh and Nashville grew many of their players into who they are today. I see us doing the same.

I can see us standing pat with Risto,McCabe, Antipin, and Beaulieu being top 4.

They all have the skill sets Housley wants and are young enough to develop.

I think Gorges stays put for now. Last year of a $3.9 contract makes him instant trade bait at deadline. Allows Guhle and Nelson to further develop in Rochester

Guehle ends season in Buffalo once Gorges is traded.

I believe Housley wants a chance to redeem Bogosian. He was a good player prior to trade to Sabres and he's still young. With that much time left in his deal he gets next year to improve or he gets bought out.

I can see us drafting D who will be on team next year.

I can see our D starting 2018-19 being

Risto
McCabe
Beaulieu
Antipin
Guehle
Liljigren/Maker/Bogosian

Rock solid.


Bogo's problem is he's brain dead in his own end. I can't see how Housleys firewagon attack fixes that.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:26 AM

Bogo's problem is he's brain dead in his own end. I can't see how Housleys firewagon attack fixes that.

By not making him play much in his own end.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:36 AM

Still have a long way to go here.

 

Beaulieu is a good value acquisition, but he is still only a #5, an upgrade because of his skating ability.

He's got the skills to be a top four, but his game needs work to get there. He was getting benched late in his Habs' career.

Again, Antipin improves our ability to move the puck and should improve our depth and therefore is a step in the right direction.

But he is still is a roll of the dice.

 

Essentially, we've upgraded Franson and Fedun. We still need the player we hoped Kulikov was going to be.


Edited by dudacek, 19 June 2017 - 07:37 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:41 AM

How did Fedun get back into the picture?  Falk is the one under contract.

 

Yeah, was thinking the same thing.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:57 AM

Still have a long way to go here.

 

Beaulieu is a good value acquisition, but he is still only a #5, an upgrade because of his skating ability.

He's got the skills to be a top four, but his game needs work to get there. He was getting benched late in his Habs' career.

Again, Antipin improves our ability to move the puck and should improve our depth and therefore is a step in the right direction.

But he is still is a roll of the dice.

 

Essentially, we've upgraded Franson and Fedun. We still need the player we hoped Kulikov was going to be.

 

According to the Mon media, he was getting benched because he didn't play the more physical style that Claude wanted him to play.  Essentially he was a victim of a system change under the new coach.  Wowie will expect some physical play out of him also but not the crunch and run style Julian plays.  His game is a much better fit here.  


Edited by GASabresFan, 19 June 2017 - 08:58 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:14 PM

By not making him play much in his own end.

 

So Housley just snaps his fingers and the puck magically exists the zone?   



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:18 PM

So Housley just snaps his fingers and the puck magically exists the zone?


He's less of a finger snapper, more of a crinkle of the nose and a head nod kind of guy.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:08 PM

So Housley just snaps his fingers and the puck magically exists the zone?   

bibbity bobbity out!  lol, bonus points if you say this Snape quote in Alan Rickman's amazing voice. 

 

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:09 PM

bibbity bobbity out!  lol, bonus points if you say this Snape quote in Alan Rickman's amazing voice. 

 

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:19 PM

So Housley just snaps his fingers and the puck magically exists the zone?

Pretty much. Instead of the forwards leaving the zone early to make themselves available for the stretch pass they'll actually be back in the d-zone starting the rush together.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:24 PM

McCabe - Risto

Beaulieu - Pysyk

Antipin - Bogosian

Gorges

 

I like this defence. Plus everyone is playing on their correct side. Shame we traded Pysyk away. It was truly an awful awful trade.