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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

in hindsight, what does everyone think of Montreal trading Subban? I am still kinda on the fence with that one but still they continue to give away good young d-men...



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:59 PM

No,but he never made a smart depth deal like this one.

 

Sure he did.  With the same team.  Also a pick for a defenseman deal.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:04 PM

Sure he did.  With the same team.  Also a pick for a defenseman deal.

Josh Gorges for a 2nd. Still wasn't a bad trade. The #45 pick in the 2016 draft which turned into Chad Krys 


Edited by ShadowLiger, 17 June 2017 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:07 PM

Nice move ditto, from seeing him
play the guy can skate, Housley kinda guy... will be interesting to see D next year. So do Sabres go O or D with 8th pick, certainly opens up option especially with so many D options in second round. Now you can say go BPA and not sweat.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:07 PM

Josh Gorges for a 2nd. Still wasn't a bad trade. The #45 pick in the 2016 draft which turned into Chad Krys 

 

Definitely not a bad trade.  Frankly, I think that any non-first-round pick for a current player who definitely will be in the lineup is usually a good trade.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:08 PM

MTL was going to lose him to Vegas for nothing. They'll protect Weber, Petry, and Emelin. and now they can protect 7 forwards


Yeah I don't think it's a bad move by Montreal by any means. I thought the move for drouin was a good one for them too

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:15 PM

Theory... Beaulieu is left unprotected and taken by LV in expansion draft. If not, welcome aboard I like it as a nice bottom 4 piece for an improved d

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:18 PM

Theory... Beaulieu is left unprotected and taken by LV in expansion draft. If not, welcome aboard I like it as a nice bottom 4 piece for an improved d

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:18 PM

There's nothI got that requires them to take three. There will be free agent options as well where they can fill up their ranks in the net.


Okay, I was under the impression Vegas had to select three goaltenders.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:25 PM

Theory... Beaulieu is left unprotected and taken by LV in expansion draft. If not, welcome aboard I like it as a nice bottom 4 piece for an improved d

 

Or Bogosian is left unprotected and not selected.  



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:25 PM


Theory... Beaulieu is left unprotected and taken by LV in expansion draft. If not, welcome aboard I like it as a nice bottom 4 piece for an improved d

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i don't know. Just a theory. Maybe LV wanted someone else from Buf and this is a way of protecting that player? Perhaps they wanted two players from Mtl so JB helped them to help himself?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

I think that would be a pretty terrible outcome.

If we traded a 3rd round pick to make sure we still have Ullmark after the expansion draft, I'd be OK with that.  I'd prefer that we traded the 3rd just to acquire NB and that he's protected along with 55 and 29 though.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:30 PM

Nice move ditto, from seeing him
play the guy can skate, Housley kinda guy... will be interesting to see D next year. So do Sabres go O or D with 8th pick, certainly opens up option especially with so many D options in second round. Now you can say go BPA and not sweat.

I really like Owen Tippett.

 

Fills a need at RW with an already NHL-caliber shot.

 

Pure goal scorer that has dominated at every level he has played.

 

We have Guhle, Nelson, Stephens, and Martin waiting in the wings  at D.


Edited by dejeanerret, 17 June 2017 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:30 PM

Isn't​ he the guy that scouts said is absolutely lost away from the puck?

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:32 PM

Sure he did.  With the same team.  Also a pick for a defenseman deal.

We're celebrating the Gorges trade now?  His best season for us was the year we were *trying to lose* and he's sucked ever since.

 

GMTM's best trade by far was for ROR.  Most of the rest didn't amount to almost anything and he didn't do anything as opportunistic as this one.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:33 PM

I really like Owen Tippett.

 

Fills a need at RW with an already NHL-caliber shot.

 

Pure goal scorer that has dominated at every level he has played.

 

We have Guhle, Nelson, Stephens, and Fitzgerald waiting in the wings  at D.

What need at RW? 

Okposo, Reinhart, Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, technically Nylander can RW. I just listed 6 players who have shots at top 3 rw spots with 2 of them currently entrenched on lines 1 and 2. RW might be the least needed position on the Sabres roster outside of top 6 center. 

 

Do the bold we have Guhle and maybe Nelson. The other two are long shots to make the NHL. All the RW I just listed have a good shot of being NHL players. 


Edited by ShadowLiger, 17 June 2017 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:42 PM

What need at RW? 
Okposo, Reinhart, Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, technically Nylander can RW. I just listed 6 players who have shots at top 3 rw spots with 2 of them currently entrenched on lines 1 and 2. RW might be the least needed position on the Sabres roster outside of top 6 center. 
 
Do the bold we have Guhle and maybe Nelson. The other two are long shots to make the NHL. All the RW I just listed have a good shot of being NHL players.

. Sabres still need a bonafide scorer, LW wing Rt wing, center whatever.... not sure no 8 gets you there, but hey there is a need... trade one of those RWs for additional or moving up ability... just saying.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:45 PM

I am unsure what you mean by bonafide scorer. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:51 PM

We're celebrating the Gorges trade now? His best season for us was the year we were *trying to lose* and he's sucked ever since.

GMTM's best trade by far was for ROR. Most of the rest didn't amount to almost anything and he didn't do anything as opportunistic as this one.

This is a trade that wouldn't have happened without the expansion draft, though. I think GMTM didn't make a big trade for a D-man last offseason because a)the price was too high for him and b)he knew it would be easier to trade for a D-man this offseason.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:55 PM

I am unsure what you mean by bonafide scorer.

Should have said another one, should have said elite and not confident Nylander pans out. Maybe PU does. But need to keep Molson buried below the Mason Dixon line. Someone with Moulson's former nose for the net, younger and if possible more skill. A Forsberg type though doubt one in this draft past Herschier (sp?)

Edited by North Buffalo, 17 June 2017 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:57 PM

So a value oriented D depth pickup with some upside for next to nothing. TM see how this works.

This is the type of move I've been begging for for two years.

If only there was an expansion draft leaving teams vulnerable and willing to make less than fair value deals every offseaon

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:59 PM

If he was acquired to keep Ullmark, who would you guys rather keep now; Ullmark or Beaulieu? I say Beaulieu. It's harder to get young, promising D than a promising GT.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:07 PM

If he was acquired to keep Ullmark, who would you guys rather keep now; Ullmark or Beaulieu? I say Beaulieu. It's harder to get young, promising D than a promising GT.

 

If a deal was struck with VGK regarding Beaulieu, it would be in bad form for JBOT to reneg now, especially being a new GM. 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:09 PM

If a deal was struck with VGK regarding Beaulieu, it would be in bad form for JBOT to reneg now, especially being a new GM. 

If a deal were struck for Beaulieu why would Montreal trade him? 



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:10 PM

If he was acquired to keep Ullmark, who would you guys rather keep now; Ullmark or Beaulieu? I say Beaulieu. It's harder to get young, promising D than a promising GT.


Beaulieu, easily.

I'd be pretty disappointed if we aren't actually getting him.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:14 PM

This is a trade that wouldn't have happened without the expansion draft, though. I think GMTM didn't make a big trade for a D-man last offseason because a)the price was too high for him and b)he knew it would be easier to trade for a D-man this offseason.

Correct, but there's always a chance to buy low on *someone*.  Regier didn't give up a ton to get guys like Briere and Lydman, for example.  GMTM's MO was to give up whatever it took to get players he was in love with.  The result was we finished 5th last in the NHL last season.


If he was acquired to keep Ullmark, who would you guys rather keep now; Ullmark or Beaulieu? I say Beaulieu. It's harder to get young, promising D than a promising GT.

I'd prefer to keep Beaulieu of the two, but I'd rather protect them both.  



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:19 PM

If a deal were struck for Beaulieu why would Montreal trade him? 

 

Got a better deal from us (third party) than they could do themselves.  All VGK has to give to us is a promise not to select Ullmark (for example).  If VGK said if to the SABRES, IF you can get Beaulieu from MON, we'll take him and agree not to take Ullmark.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:31 PM

Correct, but there's always a chance to buy low on *someone*. Regier didn't give up a ton to get guys like Briere and Lydman, for example. GMTM's MO was to give up whatever it took to get players he was in love with. The result was we finished 5th last in the NHL last season.

I think GMTM's biggest sins were selection of the coach and too much rope for the coach. GMTM took swings, and wasn't terrified of the risk, like Darcy was.

O'Reilly was a home run.

Lehner has worked out so far and is still young, so he could go either way.

Kulikov was a miss (suffered a freak injury).

Bogo has been really bad but Myers has been injured even more. That's either a slight win for Winnipeg or a wash. I'm sure Ducky could tell us what he thinks.

Kane was a good pickup, and definitely worth the gamble. Kane can be a core player on a contender. I think he's the perfect guy to run a third line. More teams than ever have 3 balanced lines rather than a top 6. Kane is the ideal player to elevate the play of third line centers like Larsson, Coyle, or Anisimov.

I don't think it'll work out that way for us, but we can still get some value out of Kane in a trade.

I don't think any of those roster moves are that bad, even though a few didn't work out. I think it's more fair to criticize GMTM for not building a cohesive team. I'm not sure if I feel that way, but I can't disagree based on the results.

But Murray the Overpayer? I still don't buy into the myth.

Edited by qwksndmonster, 17 June 2017 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:33 PM

I think GMTMs biggest sins were selection of the coach and too much rope for the coach. GMTM took swings, and wasn't terrified of the risk, like Darcy was.
O'Reilly was a home run.
Lehner has worked out so far and is still young, so he could go either way.
Kulikov was a miss (suffered a freak injury).
Bogo has been really bad but Myers has been injured even more. That's either a slight win for Winnipeg or a wash. I'm sure Ducky could tell us what he thinks.
Kane was a good pickup, and definitely worth the gamble. Kane can be a core player on a contender. I think he's the perfect guy to run a third line. More teams than ever have 3 balanced line rather than a top 6. Kane is the ideal player to elevate the play of third line centers like Larsson, Coyle, or Anisimov.
I don't think it'll work out that way for us, but we can still get some value out of Kane in a trade.
I don't think any of those roster moves are that bad even though a few didn't work out. I think it's more fair to criticize GMTM for not building a cohesive team. I'm not sure if I feel that way, but I can't disagree based on the results.
But Murray the Overpayer? I still don't buy into the myth.


It's no myth. He overpaid on Lehner.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:37 PM

It's no myth. He overpaid on Lehner.

lol

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:41 PM

lol


:)
Hey, 3 out of 5 Sabers fans say so, and as you know, 3 is more than 2 :P

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:42 PM

He has identical PP60 to Risto.

The analytics people love it for the Sabres, smart move, great trade

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:43 PM

I was initially critical of GMJB. I just got this vibe that he didn't understand the value of the entire roster in depth....

But for a first trade this is a damn good deal imo. I'm a fan. 

 Many speculate that D-men peak at around 28. There is probably truth to that.

He's only 24. 

Think about it - 0.38 PPG as a D-men last season. Prior season he was .30. .8 PPG difference in a year is a pretty significant jump. 

Who's to say when he "peaks" he cant improve that a little bit more? Know nothing about him. but i think my logic is fairly universal.

For a 3rd round pick? 

I love it


Edited by BuffaloBorn, 17 June 2017 - 04:47 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:45 PM

He has identical PP60 to Risto.
The analytics people love it for the Sabres, smart move, great trade


I think so to. I knew nothing about this guy until reading here. Just knew he was drafted after Armia. But if he can find chemistry with a D partner here I'm happy happy

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:56 PM

Theory... Beaulieu is left unprotected and taken by LV in expansion draft. If not, welcome aboard I like it as a nice bottom 4 piece for an improved d


I'm not buying it. The reason Montreal sold him at such a low value was because they didn't want to lose him for nothing.

Love the trade, our D is already looking better. Once these guys get some one v one with Dr. Phil we might just have some exciting hockey for the first time in a decade.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:57 PM

This is a really good trade in my eyes. I just hope were exposing Bogo now

 

This guy is obviously not afraid to take fights either, plenty of them on youtube.

 


Edited by MODO Hockey, 17 June 2017 - 05:06 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 05:23 PM

MTL was going to lose him to Vegas for nothing. They'll protect Weber, Petry, and Emelin. and now they can protect 7 forwards

Yes. Good on MTL to get something for him. I don't mind it, but it has to be alarming for MTL fans to lose Subban, a good 19-min RFA, and Sergachev. Unless their pipeline is absolutely stocked with defencemen I don't know about... they have to be working with LV to do a pick and trade? Or getting into an arms race for.... Shattenkirk? Anyway not our problem. Beaulieu should be a capable #5 this season, and hopefully grow into a 2nd-pair guy for the next few seasons. Good trade all around.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:44 PM

i don't know. Just a theory. Maybe LV wanted someone else from Buf and this is a way of protecting that player? Perhaps they wanted two players from Mtl so JB helped them to help himself?

 

The only thing they could want is one of our goalies, ( can see them go after fleury and grubauer first though).    Players that will be open for them to grab are Moulson, gorges, Bogo , ennis.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:45 PM

I think we're trading him to Vegas to be honest based on the lack of a press release and his off ice problems plus Gallant's history with the guy. However I don't think it's to save Ullmark but rather to get another Dman that Vegas grabs.

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:49 PM

 https://www.nhl.com/...eu/c-289970310 


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