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#41 shrader

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:47 AM

I really worry that if PK moves to Buffalo permanently that he'll be dead or in jail before that contract runs out. Dude rolls hard, especially here. Too many South Buffalo Bros will want to get him drunk every day, and I'm not sure he can help himself.

 

For a second there after reading the first 6 words, I thought a Subban "rumor" had no been magically created.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:50 AM

This would be like the LaFontaine trade kinda. A player of Kane's caliber would change the mentality of the lockerroom etc. More than just an on ice difference.

But it would probably take Reinhart, Nylander, McCabe, 8 overall and somebody like Bailey or more.

Edited by pi2000, 14 June 2017 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:52 AM

For a second there after reading the first 6 words, I thought a Subban "rumor" had no been magically created.

 

Hah! I would take that PK over the PK we're talking about in a heartbeat.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:55 AM

I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat.

 

And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook.  (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.)

 

Boom!

 

 

Not interested in Seabrook.  He's 32.  Seabrook went from 49 points in the 15/16 season to 39 points in the 16/17 season.  His numbers would continue to take a dive in Buffalo.  Fewer players to play with.  



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:55 AM

This would be like the LaFontaine trade kinda. A player of Kane's caliber would change the mentality of the lockerroom etc. More than just an on ice difference.

But it would probably take Reinhart, Nylander, McCabe, 8 overall and somebody like Bailey or more.

Then what is the value of changing the mentality of the locker room if most of it is now in Chicago?  Hard Pass.  Chicago is not negotiating from strength and as was seen in the Bickell Teravainen deal they will take less the perceived market value.  



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

What core pieces did TM trade? 

 

Drew Stafford of course. And that guy with marfans.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:19 AM

I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat.

And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook. (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.)

Boom!


Me too. One of a very few trade proposals involving Sam that id actually do.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:24 AM

Drew Stafford of course. And that guy with marfans.

I chuckled.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:27 AM

I chuckled.


Drew Stafford could be a force if only given 1 year contracts every year 😂

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:28 AM

Drew Stafford could be a force if only given 1 year contracts every year

imagine his output on a series of 3 month deals?  Mind numbing.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:28 AM

It just wouldn't be summertime in Buffalo without a Patrick Kane rumor.

Ftr, I would easily pull the trigger on Samson and 8 for Kane, but there's no way Chicago would go for that.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

imagine his output on a series of 3 month deals? Mind numbing.


This is true, he'd even be playing the guitar while scoring goals!

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

I don't get upset when this rumor surfaces every year. The daydreaming is always enjoyable.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:52 AM

I don't get upset when this rumor surfaces every year. The daydreaming is always enjoyable.

I would ignore it completely except that IB is posing the rumor. That makes it intriguing. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

I would ignore it completely except that IB is posing the rumor. That makes it intriguing. 

That just makes the daydreams better!


Imagine what it does to Eichel's next contract though :P



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:15 AM

I just don't believe Kane puts us in position to contend. I don't our D can be upgraded enough, I don't think our wings are good enough, especially if adding Patty means losing Evander, I don't think our bottom two centers will be good enough. 

 

I think we'd be a much better team if we rolled Jack-Sam-ROR at 17-18 minutes per line much like we did Drury,Briere, Roy. Fill in the wingers around that spine and I think we compete for 6-8 years. 

 

This off season might be weird, Sabres were rumoured to be making a bis splash out west.   Always figured it would be with the kings and for EK.

 

But what if this  happens.

 

Reinhart + #8 for Kane .   I don't give them more because its still a heavy contract with a salary cap that doesn't go up like Chicago gambled it would 4 years ago.

Evander Kane gets traded to LA for #11 and D.

 

Sign Bonino as UFA, seems we have interest there to.

 

Eichel - RoR - Bonino  I could live with.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:38 AM

This off season might be weird, Sabres were rumoured to be making a bis splash out west.   Always figured it would be with the kings and for EK.

 

But what if this  happens.

 

Reinhart + #8 for Kane .   I don't give them more because its still a heavy contract with a salary cap that doesn't go up like Chicago gambled it would 4 years ago.

Evander Kane gets traded to LA for #11 and D.

 

Sign Bonino as UFA, seems we have interest there to.

 

Eichel - RoR - Bonino  I could live with.

 

I barely noticed Bonino in The Cup.....eww



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

I barely noticed Bonino in The Cup.....eww

Playing on a broken femur might do that.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:52 AM

Playing on a broken femur might do that.

So he's a wuss? :P



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:53 AM

So he's a wuss? :P

precisely



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:58 AM

Drew Stafford could be a force if only given 1 year contracts every year

 

Ahhh Drew Stafford.  I miss the old argument made against him on here where it was stated that he doesn't score goals in games where he doesn't score goals.  That was truly some ground breaking stuff.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:03 PM

Playing on a broken femur might do that.

 

Welp, I guess that's why



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:05 PM

Ahhh Drew Stafford.  I miss the old argument made against him on here where it was stated that he doesn't score goals in games where he doesn't score goals.  That was truly some ground breaking stuff.

 

Please tell me that wasn't me.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:11 PM

I'd take the P Kane for Sam + 8. That would be cheap for a guy with his skill and experience. 100 point players are an extremely rare breed these days.

I love Sam but this is a no brained to me.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:34 PM

Yeah....

That's him though.

Could Botterill be trying to re-create the Crosby-Malkin model with Eichel-Kane?

Honestly it's a lot more like Lafontaine / Mogilny

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

Honestly it's a lot more like Lafontaine / Mogilny

 

...and we know how awful that was....



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 01:52 PM

Kane's contract runs for 4 more years, until he's 33, with a $10.5M cap hit annually

  

I know the move would probably not make sense on a lot of levels. BUT -- watching Eichel dish to Kane for a few years while the latter is still in his prime would be SWEET.


Agreed. 4 years term is perfectly reasonable for a guy still as good as Kane.

No way in hell I trade Reinhart and #8 for Kane. I think Sam could be a special player as a second line center, I don't understand why he's so undervalued by many on this board. I don't trade Sam's future for two to three decent years of Kane straight up. Kane is not the missing piece to winning a cup. By the time this team is ready to compete for a cup Kane will be declining. It just doesn't make sense to me.


Maybe if this franchise had any intention of playing Sam at centre, I might agree.

You could win a Cup next year with Kane on Eichel's wing as long as you can shed some dead weight and get a little better on defense. What's wrong with trying to win now?


The bolded is spot on. With our weak division, the time is now to try and compete, if possible.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:19 PM

  

Maybe if this franchise had any intention of playing Sam at centre, I might agree.
 

With Murray at the helm and Bylsma floundering around, I would def agree they had no interest in Sam at center. Even though Botteril has indicated he views Sam as a winger, it will be interesting to see what happens. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

I don't want Patrick Kane on this team at any price.  Yeah, he'd probably be fantastically successful with the likes of Eichel and ROR.  But I can't bring myself about to root for him at any level.  I can live with Evander Kane's warts, although there isn't much rope left, but I think Patrick Kane is a whole nuther level of slime ball.  Genuinely awful human being IMO.  And I don't throw that label around loosely.  I struggle with liking the general roster of this team now.  Pat Kane.......... I can't do it.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:48 PM

I don't want Patrick Kane on this team at any price. Yeah, he'd probably be fantastically successful with the likes of Eichel and ROR. But I can't bring myself about to root for him at any level. I can live with Evander Kane's warts, although there isn't much rope left, but I think Patrick Kane is a whole nuther level of slime ball. Genuinely awful human being IMO. And I don't throw that label around loosely. I struggle with liking the general roster of this team now. Pat Kane.......... I can't do it.


I think this is a bit harsh. I dare you to look back at yourself when you were in your early 20's. People make mistakes and I thought that I had heard he's really matured in the past couple season... hence his 100 point season in '15-16. He's the best wing in the game.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:53 PM

I think this is a bit harsh. I dare you to look back at yourself when you were in your early 20's. People make mistakes and I thought that I had heard he's really matured in the past couple season... hence his 100 point season in '15-16. He's the best wing in the game.

was it like 2 years ago he was accused of something... what was it? 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:03 PM

I think that was 3+ years ago and it was an attempted money grab extortion. He turned it around before they won the cup I thought.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:04 PM

I think this is a bit harsh. I dare you to look back at yourself when you were in your early 20's. People make mistakes and I thought that I had heard he's really matured in the past couple season... hence his 100 point season in '15-16. He's the best wing in the game.

 

Beat a cabbie over a handful of coins and accused of sexual assault on more than one occassion?  Your twenties were much more eventful than mine.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:09 PM

Beat a cabbie over a handful of coins and accused of sexual assault on more than one occassion?  Your twenties were much more eventful than mine.

I think that was 3+ years ago and it was an attempted money grab extortion. He turned it around before they won the cup I thought.

Last time was in 2015 so he would have been 26. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat.
 
And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook.  (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.)
 
Boom!


Hmmmmmm......I'd be interested in a deal like this to.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:34 PM

imagine his output on a series of 3 month deals?  Mind numbing.

lol!

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:37 PM

I would trade Reino and #8 for Kane in a heartbeat.
 
And I would add Evander if Chicago wanted to add Seabrook.  (And that might be what gets it done for Chicago -- Seabrook is 32 and under contract for SEVEN more years at a $6.875MM cap hit per year.)
 
Boom!


Now you're talkin'

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:39 PM

Draft is deep at D.

We can get another Rasmus at 8 who will be a solid Dman for 10-12 years.

Reinhart can be a 30/30 guy for 10 years.

I wouldn't give up all that for (hopefully) five years of 30/40 from Kane

I say we stick to the plan and let out talent grow. That's what the Pens did and look where it got them.

Edited by dejeanerret, 14 June 2017 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:43 PM

Draft is deep at D.
We can get another Rasmus at 8 who will be a solid Dman for 10-12 years.
Reinhart can be a 30/30 guy for 10 years.
I wouldn't give up all that for (hopefully) five years of 30/40 from Kane
I say we stick to the plan and let out talent grow. That's what the Pens did and look where it got them.


The Pens made a bunch of meaningful trades, though.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:37 PM

The Pens made a bunch of meaningful trades, though.

They also were handed Crosby and Malkin, to go with Fleury and Staal

Sorry, Eichel and Sam do not = Crosby and Malkin, heck, Eichel and Sam do not = Crosby

 

We can assume that the #8 pick gets another Rasmus, and Sam develops into a great player, but theres just as likely a chance that the #8 gets us a Stafford and Sam is another Vanek (decent player but not someone who is making you a contender). Theres not much special, or better then what others have, waiting in the wings in Buffalos pipeline thats going to put them over the top, and you can't just sit around and suck until one day all your prospects develop into good players and your a cup contender, your not going to just one day turn a switch and have a contender with only players you drafted. Some of those assetts will need to be moved in order to bring in good established talent to win now. If you can get a 100 point elite talent, for a developing decent forward and the #8 pick, thats a no brainer.