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#1081 GoPuckYourself

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Posted Yesterday, 12:51 PM

I like Vatanen over Hamonic, I hope we can swing a deal , Kane for Vatanen. Since we drafted like 3 or 4 wingers already today  :w00t: 



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Posted Yesterday, 01:40 PM

Why is that any worse than Dave Tippett becoming an assistant, which is something I hear all the time?

 

I just don't see Lindy as second banana to anyone so soon after being head coach for 20 years. On the other hand, maybe he just needs to burrow himself into the NYR organization and get a cushy job upstairs.



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Posted Yesterday, 02:24 PM

I just don't see Lindy as second banana to anyone so soon after being head coach for 20 years. On the other hand, maybe he just needs to burrow himself into the NYR organization and get a cushy job upstairs.

 

Hitchcock did it.



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Posted Yesterday, 03:06 PM

The one winger we drafted today (maybe 2 if you count Davidson) will play in 3 years, maybe. So saying they're a replacement for kane is comical

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Posted Yesterday, 08:57 PM

That Hamonic trade makes no sense to me. The Islanders went out and got Eberle for win now, then traded Hamonic for the future? Why?

 

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There is trade interest in Phaneuf from outside his list, so Sens are in discussion with Newport to see if Dion is willing to be flexible


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Posted Yesterday, 09:00 PM


That Hamonic trade makes no sense to me. The Islanders went out and got Eberle for win now, then traded Hamonic for the future? Why?

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There is trade interest in Phaneuf from outside his list, so Sens are in discussion with Newport to see if Dion is willing to be flexible


I think Eberle is a shiny new toy to convince Tavares to stay

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Posted Yesterday, 09:04 PM

I think Eberle is a shiny new toy to convince Tavares to stay

I think so too, but they still have conflicting messages to him to stay by moving Hamonic for that package. Tavares can light it up with Eberle all he wants, but if that team continues to suck, it won't matter



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Posted Yesterday, 09:09 PM

I think so too, but they still have conflicting messages to him to stay by moving Hamonic for that package. Tavares can light it up with Eberle all he wants, but if that team continues to suck, it won't matter


I'm with you, for sure. You won't catch me arguing that it makes any sense. At the start of the year, there were plenty of rumors about Hamonic's unhappiness. He seems like an incredible guy, so I find it hard to believe he'd be a negative influence in the locker room. But maybe it was best for the player and obviously the return was good, even if the timing isn't sensical.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:35 PM

First glance, Tavares doesn't sign in NY.

He gets traded before the deadline

Eberle is a good player, but they just weakened their defense for futures.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:41 PM

I'm with you, for sure. You won't catch me arguing that it makes any sense. At the start of the year, there were plenty of rumors about Hamonic's unhappiness. He seems like an incredible guy, so I find it hard to believe he'd be a negative influence in the locker room. But maybe it was best for the player and obviously the return was good, even if the timing isn't sensical.

Good points, you very well could be right there

 

First glance, Tavares doesn't sign in NY.

He gets traded before the deadline

Eberle is a good player, but they just weakened their defense for futures.

No way is he a deadline deal. He's going to stay with the Island, just like every player like him in his situation always does, every time. And he's going to waste away there and do nothing. 

 

The only single other team I could see getting him would be Detroit



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Posted Yesterday, 10:47 PM

Would still like to know how the only season in Qwk's lifetime the Aisles didn't completely stink was the year the Sabres had their #1. :wallbash:

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Posted Yesterday, 10:50 PM

Good points, you very well could be right there
 

No way is he a deadline deal. He's going to stay with the Island, just like every player like him in his situation always does, every time. And he's going to waste away there and do nothing. 
 
The only single other team I could see getting him would be Detroit


You're probably right.

But his team has sucked, the arena situation is unsettled and one of his best friends in Okposo wouldn't even discuss staying in NY with Isles Management.

He took a team friendly contract and got ###### on by Snow.

If anyone is ripe to jump it's him. Detroit does seem like the probable destination if it does occur.

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Posted Yesterday, 10:55 PM

That Hamonic trade makes no sense to me. The Islanders went out and got Eberle for win now, then traded Hamonic for the future? Why?


Have a seat, son, we need to have a heart to heart.

You see, the New York Islanders are ###### stupid.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:01 PM

You're probably right.

But his team has sucked, the arena situation is unsettled and one of his best friends in Okposo wouldn't even discuss staying in NY with Isles Management.

He took a team friendly contract and got ###### on by Snow.

If anyone is ripe to jump it's him. Detroit does seem like the probable destination if it does occur.

San Jose is going to have quite a bit of money and will be in the market for a new face of the franchise with Thornton and Marleau gone.

 

Vegas will also have a crap ton of money and a TON of side deal possibilities.

 

Anybody but the god damned Maple Leafs.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:11 PM

First glance, Tavares doesn't sign in NY.
He gets traded before the deadline
Eberle is a good player, but they just weakened their defense for futures.


Tavares walks in FA.

And even if it takes Bert allowing 11 to be unretired & changing the colors to orange & black - make that one happen.

Want nothing to do w/ Shattenkirk @ the price he'll command. Land Johnny T.

Make being stuck w/ Matty M actually amount to something.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:13 PM

I was hoping the uncle connection with the Bandits combined with Okposo coming here might persuade Taveres to come here.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:17 PM

I was hoping the uncle connection with the Bandits combined with Okposo coming here might persuade Taveres to come here.

Money will be an issue.  Big time.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:19 PM

Money will be an issue.  Big time.


No it won't. Not for a guy that talented that has been healthy pretty much his whole career.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:28 PM

No it won't. Not for a guy that talented that has been healthy pretty much his whole career.

OK, let me line up the large contracts we will either have or need to have in the extremely near proximity to next summer.  Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Okposo, Ristolainen, 1 more year of Moulson, 2 more years of Bogo's 5.1.  That assumes Kane walks and we don't sign anyone this summer to money or term.  I spent around 40-43 million right there on 7 players.  Figure Tavares will need to come in at AT LEAST 10 x 8 to outbid Toronto and everyone else. 

 

Tavares' deal will be guided as much by McJesus' deal as anything else and if the Sabres are smart they ink Eichel to an extension before McJesus blows up the entire market.  If McDavid gets 12 (and he fully SHOULD get AT LEAST that) what's Tavares worth? 11?



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Posted Yesterday, 11:44 PM

OK, let me line up the large contracts we will either have or need to have in the extremely near proximity to next summer.  Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Okposo, Ristolainen, 1 more year of Moulson, 2 more years of Bogo's 5.1.  That assumes Kane walks and we don't sign anyone this summer to money or term.  I spent around 40-43 million right there on 7 players.  Figure Tavares will need to come in at AT LEAST 10 x 8 to outbid Toronto and everyone else. 
 
Tavares' deal will be guided as much by McJesus' deal as anything else and if the Sabres are smart they ink Eichel to an extension before McJesus blows up the entire market.  If McDavid gets 12 (and he fully SHOULD get AT LEAST that) what's Tavares worth? 11?

OK, 1st off, unless they have him in house prior to the trade deadline, he ain't getting an 8 year deal.

2nd, if the Loafs can send Princess Phaneuf out of town (& in division no less) Bogosian IS tradeable. Moulson ends up in Ra-cha-cha in a worst case. And Reinhart gets a bridge deal.

There is no way possible this team can't add Johnny T unless they do something stupid like sign Shattenkirk to the deal he'll get.

Risto's locked @ $5.4 & O'Reilly's locked at $7.5 ($0.5 less than Eichel will be locked at).

Tavares will come in @ $9 or 10 but a bright guy like Botteril can make it work.

McClavicle is an outlier. No point in getting upset at what he makes. He is the heir to Gretzky.

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Posted Today, 12:00 AM

Money will be an issue.  Big time.

 

Pegs can pay him under the table and off the books like Kraft does with Brady.  :angel:  :angel:



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Posted Today, 12:04 AM

McClavicle is an outlier. No point in getting upset at what he makes. He is the heir to Gretzky.

If you don't think the agents are going to base every contract off of McDavid's in the future you're crazy.  It will move the effective ceiling for everyone.  I wouldn't be shocked to see McDavid get 14 and honestly if he wants it he can get it by waiting until he's a RFA.  I'd give him that and Edmonton the 5 1st round picks in a hot second and so would at least half the league.

 

I'm well aware tht the NHL GM collude with each other to not extend RFA's offer sheets.  McDavid would be the player for which I'd be willing to flip off the entire league over in that regard and there is no way I'm alone in that thinking.


Edited by Let's Go B-Lo, Today, 12:06 AM.