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#41 BRAWNDO

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:27 AM

From IBN Bob


**NHL RUMORS**
Source: Devils & Blackhawks discussions centered around #1 Pick +other assets for Patrick Kane (Just Talks-Not Close/Done)

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:08 AM

I call BS.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:12 AM

I call the most BS ever on that. Even if they move Kane, wouldn't Montreal be the most likely destination?

Then again, Friedman did say people would be shocked at the names they heard

Edited by WildCard, 14 June 2017 - 07:26 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:36 AM

Incarcerated Bob has been known to have good sources. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:55 AM

More from Bob

**NHL RUMORS**
Source: Patty Kane very available, teams like #Devils #Hurricanes #Sabres
have all called. Devils have that #1 pick though🍿🤔

Although I doubt the third team wants the headache.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:58 AM

Incarcerated Bob has been known to have good sources.

Never even heard of him


Reinhart, #8, ++ for Kane

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

Report is CHI shopping Kane, mentioned NJD, CAR and BUF as interested parties.

Kane for Kane swap? Think about It, financially it would be great for both teams if they can convince them to take the others number. No need to discount and clear out the others jerseys from the store, don't have to change equipment and name tags in the arena. Cost savings all around for both owners!

This has Russ Brandon written all over it.

if it's true and jbotts isn't on the phone making a call to at least inquire, he should be fired. A player the level of Kane doesn't become available often, and almost every GM outside of maybe a couple of the top teams should be in on trying to find out what it would take to get a player of that level.

Now for Buffalo you might want to do some extra due diligence before pulling the trigger because your looking at a local kid who has had some incidences when coming back home

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:05 AM

Never even heard of him


Reinhart, #8, ++ for Kane


Done. Without even thinking about it. Which means it's probably not enough.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:10 AM

Never even heard of him


Reinhart, #8, ++ for Kane


Very connected with NYC Teams, but gets info across all the major leagues.

Had Okposo to Buffalo before anyone else did

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

I call BS.


Oh, this is more than just BS, it's beyond BS. It's BBS!

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:22 AM

There is no way P Kane moves. That being said Bowman is smart and realizes that the window to win another cup with his existing core is closing if it hasn't closed by now. Moving Kane and his salary for a package of assets is something he has to at least consider.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:22 AM

Jersey would invest $16 million into a pair of wings.  Makes perfect sense.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:16 AM

what about hossa?



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:23 AM

38 year old Marian Hossa with 4 years left on his contract????  We already have Matt Moulson thanks.

 

Edit:  Cap hit of $5,275,000 is crazy for a guy nearing 40.


Edited by Derrico, 14 June 2017 - 09:24 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:27 AM

Per Le Brun Bill Daly told a conference call of the GMs not to release the details of any trade deals made with Vegas until the conclusion of the expansion draft

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:31 AM

38 year old Marian Hossa with 4 years left on his contract????  We already have Matt Moulson thanks.

 

Edit:  Cap hit of $5,275,000 is crazy for a guy nearing 40.

Not for us. For Vegas. 


Per Le Brun Bill Daly told a conference call of the GMs not to release the details of any trade deals made with Vegas until the conclusion of the expansion draft

The NHL annoys me. 


Edited by ShadowLiger, 14 June 2017 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

Not for us. For Vegas. 


The NHL annoys me

Actually I think this was a request from Vegas.  Listening to a beat report on the way home yesterday and he said it would benefit McPhee to keep his mouth shut on trades until atleast after the protection lists have been submitted.  If it's leaked that Vegas agrees not to touch an Anaheim Dman but will take forward instead it may change other teams lists as they now know Vegas will be in even more need to take a Dman.  If it's leaked a D will be taken then the opposite is true.  Not likely to substantially change any lists but from a Vegas perspective it would be best to keep all side deals quiet until after. 


Edited by Derrico, 14 June 2017 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:46 AM

Actually I think this was a request from Vegas.  Listening to a beat report on the way home yesterday and he said it would benefit McPhee to keep his mouth shut on trades until atleast after the protection lists have been submitted.  If it's leaked that Vegas agrees not to touch an Anaheim Dman but will take forward instead it may change other teams lists as they now know Vegas will be in even more need to take a Dman.  If it's leaked a D will be taken then the opposite is true.  Not likely to substantially change any lists but from a Vegas perspective it would be best to keep all side deals quiet until after. 

 

Even if not leaked to the public, I'm sure most of the GMs will be well aware of most of it.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:50 AM

Even if not leaked to the public, I'm sure most of the GMs will be well aware of most of it.

I'm sure they will have an idea.  But if I'm Vegas I would rather keep that info as confidential as possible until after those lists are submitted.  If I paid $500 mil just to buy the club the least the NHL could do is try to enforce it as much as possible i.e. not have guys like McKenzie reporting on it.  The NHL is really dumb if they just took it upon themselves to keep it quiet just for the sake of it.  I have to think it was a request coming from Vegas.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:51 AM

I'm sure they will have an idea.  But if I'm Vegas I would rather keep that info as confidential as possible until after those lists are submitted.  If I paid $500 mil just to buy the club the least the NHL could do is try to enforce it as much as possible i.e. not have guys like McKenzie reporting on it.  The NHL is really dumb if they just took it upon themselves to keep it quiet just for the sake of it.  I have to think it was a request coming from Vegas.

but those lists are submitted tomorrow or Friday correct?



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:03 AM

I thought I read somewhere it was sat evening.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:19 AM

I thought I read somewhere it was sat evening.


Saturday by 5 PM I believe

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:19 AM

but those lists are submitted tomorrow or Friday correct?

 

I thought I read somewhere it was sat evening.

 

11th: Game 6 (earliest date Finals could be over)
14th: Game 7 (if necessary)
15th: First buyout period begins
16th: Last chance to place players on waivers
17th 5p ET: Deadline to submit protected lists and trade freeze begins
18th 10a ET: Protected lists released leagewide; start of Vegas' FA signing window
20th:  Adidas Hockey Sabres jersey reveal
21st 10a ET: Vegas' FA signing(and drafting) period ends
21st 8p ET: Picks announced at NHL Awards Show (8pm ET)
22nd: Trade freeze lifted
23rd: Entry Draft



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:24 AM

Saturday by 5 PM I believe

Wonder if things will start leaking after 5pm on Saturday. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:25 AM

I'm sure they will have an idea.  But if I'm Vegas I would rather keep that info as confidential as possible until after those lists are submitted.  If I paid $500 mil just to buy the club the least the NHL could do is try to enforce it as much as possible i.e. not have guys like McKenzie reporting on it.  The NHL is really dumb if they just took it upon themselves to keep it quiet just for the sake of it.  I have to think it was a request coming from Vegas.

 

So you've covered Vegas, but that still leaves 30 other GMs out there that don't care about the expansion fee.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:34 AM

Why would the Hawks trade one of three core pieces currently worth their contracts? (Keith, Panarin the other two)

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:39 AM

Since we're in this wookie-like trade zone: would you rather Samson + #8 for Kane or Ovechkin? Go!



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:42 AM

Since we're in this wookie-like trade zone: would you rather Samson + #8 for Kane or Ovechkin? Go!

 

Samson + #8 overall just isn't going to get it done, not even close.   Throw in Nylander and Guhle...  maybe.    Kane is a slam dunk hall of famer in prime....  Reinhart + 8th overall in a weak draft?!  ahaahahaha



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:45 AM

Samson + #8 overall just isn't going to get it done, not even close.   Throw in Nylander and Guhle...  maybe.    Kane is a slam dunk hall of famer in prime....  Reinhart + 8th overall in a weak draft?!  ahaahahaha

This is not a weak draft. 

 

However I think you are correct and #8 and Reinhart is not enough. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:49 AM

Since we're in this wookie-like trade zone: would you rather Samson + #8 for Kane or Ovechkin? Go!

I prefer Kane to Ovechkin. Kane's contract is huge, but he also has the most points in the NHL over the past three seasons, two of which were on that big contract. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:58 AM

Per Le Brun Bill Daly told a conference call of the GMs not to release the details of any trade deals made with Vegas until the conclusion of the expansion draft

 

This muddies the waters.   How can other GMs negotiate deals if they don't know who's in play and who's not wrt to expansion?    Let's say someone approaches JBOT about E. Kane, and JBOT inquires about player X in return, but player X has already been promised to Vegas... then what?    I don't see how the league can prevent these details from leaking.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:00 AM

Patrick Kane is 29 and on the most expensive contract in the league.
Elite talent, but the price isn't going to be as high as his stature deserves.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:30 AM

Patrick Kane is 29 and on the most expensive contract in the league.
Elite talent, but the price isn't going to be as high as his stature deserves.

 

All the more reason why moving him doesn't make any sense at all. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:33 AM

So you've covered Vegas, but that still leaves 30 other GMs out there that don't care about the expansion fee.

Isn't it still an old boys club?  That's partly why we rarely see RFA offer sheets.  If Vegas makes the request and Bill Daily contacts each GM to inform them this is the leagues stance then I bet every team complies. 



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 11:55 AM

Since we're in this wookie-like trade zone: would you rather Samson + #8 for Kane or Ovechkin? Go!

 

Buffalo's giving up way too much for that to be a wookie offer.

 

Isn't it still an old boys club?  That's partly why we rarely see RFA offer sheets.  If Vegas makes the request and Bill Daily contacts each GM to inform them this is the leagues stance then I bet every team complies. 

 

They won't leak it to the public, but they'll take to each other privately.  So the press might not know it if Daly's order is followed, but the teams will.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:28 PM

From McKenzie

NYR centre Derek Stepan's name is fairly prominent in trade chatter. Stepan's contract has four more years with AAV of $6M.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:30 PM

Are the Rangers blowing it up?

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:31 PM

Are the Rangers blowing it up?

 

My guess is they want to free up money to throw at Shattenkirk.



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:35 PM

My guess is they want to free up money to throw at Shattenkirk.

Ah that would make much more sense. Good call

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 12:52 PM

Per McKenzie

By no means is it assured Galchenyuk will be traded, but MTL needs help at centre and it's become clear MTL doesn't view AG as a centre.