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#161 Taro T

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

So why not trade his rights?


Because he's not going to be in the NHL this coming season & there is extremely little value in being able to negotiate w/ him at present ahead of the other 30 teams.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:12 PM

I apologize if this has already been discussed (im too lazy to search it Ill admit), but I thought the CBA stated that a NCAA player must complete 4 years and graduate before he can become a UFA? Didn't Cal only play 3 years at ND, announce he's turning pro, and now stiffs Buffalo? I'm showing my ignorance here, but I just don't understand how he can become UFA without completing college? Help anybody! Thanks in advance.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:24 PM

I apologize if this has already been discussed (im too lazy to search it Ill admit), but I thought the CBA stated that a NCAA player must complete 4 years and graduate before he can become a UFA? Didn't Cal only play 3 years at ND, announce he's turning pro, and now stiffs Buffalo? I'm showing my ignorance here, but I just don't understand how he can become UFA without completing college? Help anybody! Thanks in advance.

 

He got drafted in 2013. He only has to wait 4 years.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:26 PM

Signability: If a player is not drafted by age of 20, that player becomes an unrestricted free agent. A player not signed by drafted team within two years can reenter draft, assuming they are still eligible, and if they are not eligible, will become unrestricted an free agent. A team has the rights of an NCAA player until 30 days after the player leaves the college. If a player is drafted a second time, they can not reenter the draft. If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age. A non-North American player can not be signed unless they are drafted first.



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:39 PM

Thanks for clarifying this PASTAJOE and SPNDNCHZ! Too bad Sabres didn't a deal done on this guy, but time to move on!


Edited by Hawerchuk, 23 June 2017 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 03:04 PM

I guess we'll be drafting a goalie this year.  

 

TM should have gotten this guy signed last year and when he didn't he certainly should have drafted a goalie with one of our ten picks last draft.

 

Moving on.. Now you know why Jbot gave up a 6th to protect Ullmark.  I expect at least one FA goalie signing for Roch and maybe even the signing of a draft eligible but undrafted 20 year old goalie.

 

Peterson's not signing with us shouldn't shock anyone.  I think he envisions himself ready for NHL duty with only one AHL season.  However, with youthful goalies like Lehner and Ullmark ahead of him or the depth chart, I think he and his agent see greener pastures elsewhere.

 

I can now add Peterson's defection to another reason to hate ND.  ;)



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:48 PM

I'm kind of hoping this kid gets rickets and it bows his legs terribly. Ungrateful pos.

 

 

 

 

Actually I wish no ill will on his health. I'm hoping he fails out of the NHL and ends up playing for the Siberian Tigers.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:40 AM

Botterill just said that Cal will go to free agency. 

 

My take is that there is basically no way that Cal becomes a Sabre at this point. 

 


"I do not believe he will be signing with the Buffalo Sabres" Jason Botterill

 

/Thread

 

Wishing him lots of this ...

 

Attached File  PetersenDevCamp2013.jpg   188.64KB   2 downloads

 

(My shot from 2013 development camp.)



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Posted Yesterday, 06:47 AM

Wishing him lots of this ...

 

attachicon.gifPetersenDevCamp2013.jpg

 

(My shot from 2013 development camp.)

 

Wait--your shot or your shot?



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Posted Yesterday, 07:39 AM

This is such bullcrap the NHL allows it to happen. The player should be forced to sign with the team that drafted him once they turn pro or have to sit out a year as a penalty. As it is now there is no penalty only a reward for players to do this,so why wouldn't they?

I mean this basically allows the players to gain a benefit of being a free agent and going wherever they want if they decide to stay in college long enough. How is that benefitting the NHL? It's a clear circumvention of the intent of the rule and it needs to be fixed.

Signability: If a player is not drafted by age of 20, that player becomes an unrestricted free agent. A player not signed by drafted team within two years can reenter draft, assuming they are still eligible, and if they are not eligible, will become unrestricted an free agent. A team has the rights of an NCAA player until 30 days after the player leaves the college. If a player is drafted a second time, they can not reenter the draft. If a player has entered the draft twice and not been selected, they then become free agents regardless of age. A non-North American player can not be signed unless they are drafted first.


Change that has the rights of an NHL player for 30 days once they leave college to one year once they leave college and you'll fix this bullcrap.

Edited by matter2003, Yesterday, 07:37 AM.


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Posted Yesterday, 08:26 AM

Did Peterson refuse to sign a contract the year he was drafted?



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Posted Yesterday, 08:32 AM

Did Peterson refuse to sign a contract the year he was drafted?


Kids can't sign a pro contract & play NCAA in that sport.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:40 AM

He had to sit out 4 years! Now you want him to sit out another one? You have the right to choose where you want to work. This isn't MLB in 1919. A team can't own a player forever. They drafted him. He wasn't good enough for a contract after 1,2 or 3 years. He wasn't getting paid by the Sabres in any capacity. After his 4th year he has the right to seek employment elsewhere. Sounds pretty fair to me.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:40 AM

It's a shame that Lemieux wasn't given the chance to follow through on his threat not to sign a few years back. It would have been hilarious to see the whining about needing to change the rules just because one guy spurned our team.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:46 AM

It's a shame that Lemieux wasn't given the chance to follow through on his threat not to sign a few years back. It would have been hilarious to see the whining about needing to change the rules just because one guy spurned our team.


It's happened twice to us now in the last couple years, if you count Vesey (we owned his rights at one time and he chose to go the FA route). Lemieux couldn't have done this to us because he was a NCAA player.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:41 AM

Guys will stop spurning the Sabres when they get their shite together and become a decent franchise. Many outside of Buffalo still view this team as a trainwreck. And rightfully so



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Posted Yesterday, 09:56 AM

Guys will stop spurning the Sabres when they get their shite together and become a decent franchise. Many outside of Buffalo still view this team as a trainwreck. And rightfully so

How many players have spurned the Sabres? 



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Posted Yesterday, 10:16 AM

How many players have spurned the Sabres? 

Two college guys the last two years. No way of knowing how many free agents. My point stands. the franchise is viewed pretty much as a trainwreck with whats gone on the last few years. Need to be better. 



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Posted Yesterday, 10:23 AM

Two college guys the last two years. No way of knowing how many free agents. My point stands. the franchise is viewed pretty much as a trainwreck with whats gone on the last few years. Need to be better. 

Kyle Okposo signed here with no issue. 



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Posted Yesterday, 11:23 AM

Kyle Okposo signed here with no issue. 

True dat. I could add that bum that signed with Toronto as coach but I won't. Maybe I listen to sports radio from out west but the perception is for the most part that the Sabres are the little train that couldn't. Maybe one day they'll get it right.



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Posted Yesterday, 01:01 PM

F*ck you, bye biatch

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Posted Yesterday, 05:55 PM

It's happened twice to us now in the last couple years, if you count Vesey (we owned his rights at one time and he chose to go the FA route). Lemieux couldn't have done this to us because he was a NCAA player.

They traded for vessey knowing that he was going to free agency. That was their own screw up. Lemieux claimed that he would not have signed with us. If he held true to that, we would have lost at his rights after two years, as opposed to 4 with an NCAA guy. Remind me again of how the college guy is somehow worse than that.

It's. It a sabres thing. These guys would have done it to anyone. Vessey is the perfect evidence. He did it to two different teams. They are within reach of unrestricted free agency, the ability to sign anywhere they want. Why the hell wouldn't they?

Edited by shrader, Yesterday, 05:57 PM.


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Posted Yesterday, 07:07 PM

People struggle to look at things like this outside their own circle and values.
Each player and situation is different. Buffalo offers a lot of positives and a few negatives.
For every Petersen there is a Moulson, Gorges, O'Reilly, Rodrigues, Okposo or Antipin.
A player is going to decide his future based on the ones most important to him.

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Posted Yesterday, 07:11 PM

F*ck you, bye biatch

 

He is not that special to get worked up about, he might turn into a good goalie but remember that Ryan Miller had better college stats than him.



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Posted Yesterday, 07:30 PM

He has the right to go UFA. I will not wish him luck, f*ck u Calvin, we drafted a better goalie than you today. That's all I got.

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Posted Yesterday, 08:43 PM

Wait--your shot or your shot?

 

:flirt:

 

 

 

 

 

(My picture.  I don't shoot a puck that well.)



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Posted Yesterday, 10:20 PM

He has the right to go UFA. I will not wish him luck, f*ck u Calvin, we drafted a better goalie than you today. That's all I got.


This guy ovah hearah

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Posted Yesterday, 10:45 PM

How many guys from college truly blow off their drafting team.  Vesey with Nash, Peterson with us and i think the Hayes brothers.  Who else? 

 

I think the players that do this are the guys who out develop their draft position (Vesey and Peterson) or have a specific reason for looking for a different opportunity, such as close to home, crappy franchise, etc...

 

With the exception of Peterson (and the risk TM took with Vesey), which college draftees have spurned the Sabres?  Fasching, McCabe, Eichel, Malone, Florentino, Butler, Miller, Vanek, Stafford, Kennedy, Kasdorf and Gerbe have all signed.  College UFA's like Nelson, Ruhwedel, Flynn, and EJ Smith have signed here as well.  

 

The only Euro that ditched us that I can think of is Hejda.

 

I'm not at all worried about Middelstadt signing here.  I think he'll be like Jack; play one year of college and then sign.

 

One way to help insure this doesn't happen is to create a winning team that people want to play for.


Edited by GASabresFan, Yesterday, 10:57 PM.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:01 PM

How many guys from college truly blow off their drafting team.  Vesey with Nash, Peterson with us and i think the Hayes brothers.  Who else? 
 
I think the players that do this are the guys who out develop their draft position (Vesey and Peterson) or have a specific reason for looking for a different opportunity, such as close to home, crappy franchise, etc...
 
With the exception of Peterson (and the risk TM took with Vesey), which college draftees have spurned the Sabres?  Fasching, McCabe, Eichel, Malone, Florentino, Butler, Miller, Vanek, Stafford, Kennedy, Kasdorf and Gerbe have all signed.  College UFA's like Nelson, Ruhwedel, Flynn, and EJ Smith have signed here as well.  
 
The only Euro that ditched us that I can think of is Hejda.
 
I'm not at all worried about Middelstadt signing here.  I think he'll be like Jack; play one year of college and then sign.


This.

Had TM not wasted a pick on a kid that he thought he had an inside track on (being one of Eichel's best buds) not realizing what a ####ing disaster he had as a coach (apparently Eichel telling bestestest bud to avoid playing for Goober like the plague) then we really wouldn't feel this dread of every potential college kid walking away. Btw, CHL kids can walk after only 2 years, NCAA kids typically can't for 4.

(No wonder JB avoids CHLers like the plague; no possible way to sign them. :P )

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Posted Yesterday, 11:54 PM

Guys will stop spurning the Sabres when they get their shite together and become a decent franchise. Many outside of Buffalo still view this team as a trainwreck. And rightfully so

 

I'm not sure if thats truly the case.

 

I think Botterill has made several hints of this now, and that as a organization we didn't really go out and show love to our prospects. Botterill said it with Rochester, that it helps when the team GM or HC come and sees you play from time to time. Botterill said something like between him and Rutherford, they saw like 90% of all the AHL games. Murray was in Rochester about 5 times last season.

 

Murray was a scouting rink rat. He would prefer to go scout the CHL or some NCAA game then to go and watch ND and Petersen and check up on his development. Botterill just said it after the draft when he was asked if hes worried about drafting college players and he said no, you just need to build a relationship with them (and other prospects too), keep tabs on them, show you value them and they will treat you right.