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#201 Radar

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:36 AM

He's said it before about his hires. Calling them 'men of faith' and, IIRC, 'good Christian men / families'
 
It matters to him, when it shouldn't.

I guess we know where you stand. So I'll go with the other team.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:36 AM

Same. I thought his approach was more businesslike. It sounds like the loose management happy fun time structure is over with. He tried to be "cool hip boss" and it bit him in the ass. Maybe that style worked in the fracking world. It clearly didn't work here.

 

Can't say I disagree with this take:

 

Watched that Pegula press conference Terry needs a bad guy, he needs someone to run the whole thing + allow him to be the likeable owner



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:38 AM

He's said it before about his hires. Calling them 'men of faith' and, IIRC, 'good Christian men / families'

 

It matters to him, when it shouldn't.

 

Agreed but I wonder if that is Terry's way of trying to say they are men of character versus I need them to be Christian. Hard to say given how socially awkward Terry can come across.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:38 AM

 

Can't say I disagree with this take:

 

Watched that Pegula press conference Terry needs a bad guy, he needs someone to run the whole thing + allow him to be the likeable owner

 

 

I can think of one poster who will love this idea.  It's time to turn Kim into the owner from Major League.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:39 AM

Rex Ryan is not known for being particularly religious. I think you folks are reading way, way too much into things with that stuff.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:39 AM

I guess we know where you stand. So I'll go with the other team.

You're just so valuable to the discussion around here. Way to go buddy



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:40 AM

Rex Ryan is not known for being particularly religious. I think you folks are reading way, way too much into things with that stuff.

 

I agree, but I think many are on a "Pegula sucks at everything in the known universe" kick at the moment.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:40 AM

Rex Ryan is not known for being particularly religious. I think you folks are reading way, way too much into things with that stuff.

Probably. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker for him, just think it's odd he's mentioned it before



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:41 AM

Agreed but I wonder if that is Terry's way of trying to say they are men of character versus I need them to be Christian. Hard to say given how socially awkward Terry can come across.


Eh, I'm an evangelical Christian and I compliment/ describe my friends who fit that description the same way. It doesn't mean I exclude or think less of my non believing friends. Problem is though he is an employer, he needs to be conciencous of how it can be interpreted.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:41 AM

Integrity is not exclusive to men of faith and I dont get that from TPegs, ps wheeling and dealing sometimes requires tough decisions that can easily lead to a lack of integrity. Though it can be done if one has enough maturity and honesty. I think the word folks are looking for is ethics or ethical behavior... takes the whole moral religious terminology out of the equation though TPegs uses terms that can be portrayed with a religious in connotation... I dont necessarily take them that way.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:41 AM


Can't say I disagree with this take:

YardsPerPass.com‏ @YardsPerPass 52m52 minutes ago


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Watched that Pegula press conference Terry needs a bad guy, he needs someone to run the whole thing + allow him to be the likeable owner


Could be. Cool boss Terry got taken for a ride by people he trusted. Now he's cracking the whip, but maybe isn't comfortable with it/doesn't want to be that guy.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:42 AM

While TP might want better decorum, I have a hard time believing that this was all about decorum.

C'mon. I know you're down on TP, but do you really think he fired FGMTM purely for image reasons? i.e. that he's that shallow and foolish?

The second bolded line kinda contradicts the first -- if the organization had gotten sloppy due to sloppiness at the top, isn't that inherently a real problem -- i.e. not just an image problem? I suppose that question presupposes that the sloppiness had manifested in the results -- but the results are freaking terrible, right? So is TP not justified in seeing a train wreck and being dissatisfied?

The two only contradict if you misread the first: what I was trying to say is that Pegula believed Murray's style was creating a substantial problem with the organization. And I agree that the performance of the organization shows evidence he may be right.

I think the talent Murray acquired is better than the way it performed on the ice. I blamed most of that on Bylsma.
Pegula believed that the leadership problem went deeper than Dan.

It will be interesting to see how that talent performs under different leadership.

As I said up-thread, maybe Murray was our Tallon and the new guy will be our Bowman.
All we got is hope. Because Terry has done a bad job of nurturing our faith.

Edited by dudacek, 21 April 2017 - 10:46 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:42 AM

Yeah - if it is false.  I don't know, despite all his talk of 'character' - how much I trust Pegula
It's like with Eichel - a report surfaces that Eichel is pushing for Bylsma to be fired - a day later - Bylsma is fired.   And we're all supposed to believe - "Oh, it's just a coincidence."
Maybe it is?  But much like Ryan's firing, it was mishandled.


Yup. I don't believe a word coming out of TP's piehole anymore. Wouldn't be surprised at all if there has been contact with Lombardi.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:43 AM

I agree, but I think many are on a "Pegula sucks at everything in the known universe" kick at the moment.

 

There are still good qualities to Terry. I truly believe he is a good man and his heart is in the right place. He wants to win, he cares and that is appreciated as a fan of the Bills and Sabres like most of us are.

 

Pegula just has no flippin idea how to run sports teams in terms in regards to personnel and why should he, what qualifications does he have?

 

And when you trust a marketing major like Russ Brandon too much, that in itself is a major issue. Name me another city where someone like Brandon has all this power. It is borderline insanity.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:44 AM

I agree, but I think many are on a "Pegula sucks at everything in the known universe" kick at the moment.

 

Right after he did what everyone wanted him to do, too.  Odd, that.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:44 AM

Eh, I'm an evangelical Christian and I compliment/ describe my friends who fit that description the same way. It doesn't mean I exclude or think less of my non believing friends. Problem is though he is an employer, he needs to be conciencous of how it can be interpreted.

 

Agreed I am the same and have friends that are all kinds of non religious and religious and I don't base faith on choosing great people to surround myself with



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:45 AM

Right after he did what everyone wanted him to do, too.  Odd, that.

Did everyone want the entire office cleaned out? I think most wanted one or the other, not both



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:46 AM

Did everyone want the entire office cleaned out? I think most wanted one or the other, not both

 

I meant the coach.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:47 AM

Did everyone want the entire office cleaned out? I think most wanted one or the other, not both

 

I don't think there was a firm consensus on it only being Bylsma, or only being Murray, or both. "Only Bylsma" may have been a plurality choice, but I think a healthy number of folks who wanted to fire Bylsma also felt Murray was a problem.

 

Edit: Personally, I'd have given Murray a second coach, but I think there was enough on the negative side of the ledger (especially if the behind the scenes stuff is anywhere near as bad as depicted) to make the move on both of them.

 

Edit 2: And again, I think there's a strong possibility that Murray was still in Bylsma's corner. In which case, the "fire Bylsma" crowd should be happy both went.


Edited by TrueBlueGED, 21 April 2017 - 10:49 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:47 AM

I meant the coach.

Fair enough. I'm happy Byslma is gone, I just liked Murray and said before one of the reasons I wanted Dan gone is I thought keeping him meant losing Murray sometime down the road. If Murray wanted to keep Dan though, I'm okay losing him.

 

I think a lot of the Pegula thing isn't that he let them go, it's worry that we can't trust him making the right replacements



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:47 AM

Agreed I am the same and have friends that are all kinds of non religious and religious and I don't base faith on choosing great people to surround myself with


Again different folks may have different faiths but similar ethics cross faiths and often allow for them to coexist effectively.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:48 AM

Did everyone want the entire office cleaned out? I think most wanted one or the other, not both

 

I won't say I wanted it, mostly because I never seriously considered it as an option.  That said, I have no problem with the decision.  These times where you are completely restarting things, to me, are some of the most exciting times for a team.  Whoever steps in and takes over is definitely starting from a much better point than Murray did.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:50 AM

I don't think there was a firm consensus on it only being Bylsma, or only being Murray, or both. "Only Bylsma" may have been a plurality choice, but I think a healthy number of folks who wanted to fire Bylsma also felt Murray was a problem.
 
Edit: Personally, I'd have given Murray a second coach, but I think there was enough on the negative side of the ledger (especially if the behind the scenes stuff is anywhere near as bad as depicted) to make the move on both of them.


Or like myself thought Murray has had some growing pains but had done enough to keep going. That being said have no idea what was going on behind the scenes except that there was issues based on leaks.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:51 AM

I might as well chime in on this character thing.  I think it's 100% on the front office and not about the players one bit.  A pretty clear picture has been painted of a lack of communication from the coach and GM.  That's very easy to picture with the persona Murray presents.  The whole thing clearly went off the rails in the last couple months and they need to go in a much different direction.

Shrader sighting!!  Stick around man!



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:51 AM

I won't say I wanted it, mostly because I never seriously considered it as an option.  That said, I have no problem with the decision.  These times where you are completely restarting things, to me, are some of the most exciting times for a team.  Whoever steps in and takes over is definitely starting from a much better point than Murray did.

 

The other angle is Pegula probably knows this job is a lot more attractive now then a few years ago. Possible top 5 pick in 2017, Eichel, OReilly, and an owner that will spend. GM and coaching candidates will come to the Sabres versus the other way around.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:01 AM

I'm really trying to understand this, has Pegula done anything to lead you to believe that he bases employment on religious affiliation? Or are you just assuming that based on his own personal status?

 

It's just an observation.


Agreed but I wonder if that is Terry's way of trying to say they are men of character versus I need them to be Christian. Hard to say given how socially awkward Terry can come across.

 

He has mentioned religion when introducing Bylsma and McDermott. Not knocking him for that. Just pointing out that it's a quality that matters to him.


Edited by PromoTheRobot, 21 April 2017 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:05 AM

 
Pegula just has no flippin idea how to run sports teams in terms in regards to personnel and why should he, what qualifications does he have?


This is what baffles me about TP and him not bringing in the football and hockey "czars" to help him get things going the right direction.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:07 AM

This is what baffles me about TP and him not bringing in the football and hockey "czars" to help him get things going the right direction.

It's been hinted at before that the NHL provides a lot of guidance for this stuff. Perhaps they thought they were getting enough support. 



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:17 AM

You're just so valuable to the discussion around here. Way to go buddy


Still waiting on something of value to come from you. You are so redundant and critical but no answers. Anyone can do that.........buddy.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:25 AM

Still waiting on something of value to come from you. You are so redundant and critical but no answers. Anyone can do that.........buddy.

Your only posts on here are literally just whining and bitching about me. I'd bet you have more posts specifically about me than you do about the actual team



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:25 AM

character, integrity, discipline.....nothing about finding a highly qualified, proven winner as a GM....as long as he's a good person....that's all that matters...screw winning



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:30 AM

character, integrity, discipline.....nothing about finding a highly qualified, proven winner as a GM....as long as he's a good person....that's all that matters...screw winning

Not exactly how it went. He talked about winning and how they failed this season and it was important to win.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:32 AM

Not exactly how it went. He talked about winning and how they failed this season and it was important to win.

 

Numerous times.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:32 AM

This is what baffles me about TP and him not bringing in the football and hockey "czars" to help him get things going the right direction.

 

Hope it is not an ego thing if so Terry needs a reality check



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:37 AM

Don't know if it has been stated before, but PA was wrong.   He was right that TP is a fan/owner.

But PA also stated often that he was a meddling owner which he didn't do up till now, hell he even didn't choose the last GM and coach.

 

so let me say this clearly PA was wrong :P



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:38 AM

Not exactly how it went. He talked about winning and how they failed this season and it was important to win.

Sorry, missed that part



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:50 AM

I liked the general message Pegula presented today, but that might be fully the result of having low expectations. It was not the trainwreck I worried I'd see. He felt more like an owner than he has at any point before. I still worry that he's not the best equipped for finding the right people for these jobs, but I feel better about it than I did at 9am today.


I think this is a good take.

Also, I agree with the others that have said it's good to see you.

I hope you stick around.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:52 AM

No one is going to comment on Shrader's drive by? 



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:18 PM

Good lord, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm almost to the point where would almost welcome bringing Lindy back in some capacity (even if it's as coach) just to be a steadying hand. This organ-eye-zation seems even more adrift now than it did when LaLa was brought in.

 

I stand by my earlier statement: ######. Show.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:19 PM

Good lord, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm almost to the point where would almost welcome bringing Lindy back in some capacity (even if it's as coach) just to be a steadying hand. This organ-eye-zation seems even more adrift now than it did when LaLa was brought in.

 

I stand by my earlier statement: ######. Show.

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