Jump to content


Photo

Is O'Reilly worth what he is being paid?


  • Please log in to reply
49 replies to this topic

#41 We've

We've

    Self-appointed Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,696 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:in your head

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:41 PM

You really can't follow? You said "but if the league GM's and the profession writers association don't think he rates consideration, you may be biased" towards Blue. I said that being on a bad team makes the those same GM's and writers bias. You responded "Players on ###### teams get votes all the time.  Not enough to win, but they get consideration." To which I asked if ROR or other players on a garbage team received votes. Where I am going with this? I am not surprised that a player on a bad team didn't get much consideration from the media and GM's for an award because they would naturally be biased towards the team because it was bad. 

 

The moment someone posted that he was 6th in the voting my question about how he was viewed around the league was answered, and also should have given you an answer to how many players on garbage teams got votes before you even posted it.  So yeah, I was not getting where you were going.



#42 Randall Flagg

Randall Flagg

    All Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:WNY

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:42 PM

FTR the year he was 6th in voting was the year Patrick Roy took that Colorado team to the playoffs



#43 We've

We've

    Self-appointed Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,696 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:in your head

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:42 PM

FTR the year he was 6th in voting was the year Patrick Roy took that Colorado team to the playoffs

 

Ahhh.... thought that was his first in Buffalo.



#44 ShadowLiger

ShadowLiger

    Fourth Liner

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 753 posts

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:44 PM

The moment someone posted that he was 6th in the voting my question about how he was viewed around the league was answered, and also should have given you an answer to how many players on garbage teams got votes before you even posted it.  So yeah, I was not getting where you were going.

I specifically meant this year. Where was he ranked this season in the voting?



#45 Randall Flagg

Randall Flagg

    All Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:WNY

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:55 PM

Ahhh.... thought that was his first in Buffalo.

Nope, I should have just listed the years and rankings. Hang on

 

ror.jpg


Edited by Randall Flagg, 20 April 2017 - 06:57 PM.


#46 We've

We've

    Self-appointed Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,696 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:in your head

Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:57 PM

I specifically meant this year. Where was he ranked this season in the voting?

 

Not released yet.  Won't be released until after the awards are announced I'd imagine.

 

Last season he was ranked 33rd and got 1 4th and 2 5th place votes.  Ahead of him in the voting were Couturier, Jordan Staal (CAR), Neilsen, Henrique, and Wheeler.  So guys on bottom 1/3 teams do get votes.

 

My gut tells me that O'Reilly isn't seen around the league as an elite defensive forward.  He's been ranked 33, 12, 6, and 33 again.


Nope, I should have just listed the years and rankings. Hang on

 

I found it on Hockey-reference.



#47 Thorny

Thorny

    Supreme Mugwump

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,343 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Buffalo, some day

Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:29 PM

Not released yet.  Won't be released until after the awards are announced I'd imagine.
 
Last season he was ranked 33rd and got 1 4th and 2 5th place votes.  Ahead of him in the voting were Couturier, Jordan Staal (CAR), Neilsen, Henrique, and Wheeler.  So guys on bottom 1/3 teams do get votes.
 
My gut tells me that O'Reilly isn't seen around the league as an elite defensive forward.  He's been ranked 33, 12, 6, and 33 again.
 
I found it on Hockey-reference.


We should take into consideration that HE gets a lot of consideration when ever there is a team Canada being picked. He was added to the World Cup team, correct? Guys like Couturier, Staal, Henrique, these guys don't get mentioned in that conversation around here. Team Canada is always a rather high form of recognition of a player's value.

#48 We've

We've

    Self-appointed Expert

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,696 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:in your head

Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:37 PM

We should take into consideration that HE gets a lot of consideration when ever there is a team Canada being picked. He was added to the World Cup team, correct? Guys like Couturier, Staal, Henrique, these guys don't get mentioned in that conversation around here. Team Canada is always a rather high form of recognition of a player's value.

 

This is valid.

 

If we are talking about the Team Canada team picked now, several of the players that were voted ahead of him in Selke balloting last year are also on that team.


Edited by We've, 20 April 2017 - 07:38 PM.


#49 mjd1001

mjd1001

    Top Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 351 posts

Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:46 PM

He is worth what he is getting paid most of the time, but he certainly isn't a bargain, so the question is valid.

 

On second thought, I think the question is VERY valid to ask.  As far as scoring goes, he is not getting paid for just his salary (he would be making a couple million less if it were just on his production).  Superior defensive play is what gets him his salary.....but when I actually WATCH him play, I don't see a Selke winner there, he has made a lot of mistakes this year...and more than a couple times I have seen a goal scored against the sabres where he wasn't exactly busting his butt to backcheck.  That MAY be a product of his overuse/ice time though.   Bottom line for me, I HEAR from others how good he is in the D-Zone, but I don't see it myself.



#50 Taro T

Taro T

    It leads you here despite your destination under the MW tonight.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,044 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:21 PM

This is valid.
 
If we are talking about the Team Canada team picked now, several of the players that were voted ahead of him in Selke balloting last year are also on that team.


And for this 'who on this side of the pond gives a rat's bippy tourney' a couple years back Tyler Ennis was one of Canada's best forwards. World championship selection to Team Canada isn't a huge deal. Even being an injury substitute on their World Cup team IS a big deal