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#1 yse325

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 04:28 PM

I think most of us agree that we have 2/6th of a good defense group with Risto and McCabe.

All of us hope that Guhle can join the Sabres at worst the year after next and make an impact and give us the third piece of a championship D group. However to ask a 20 year old to save our terrible D group is asking to much.

The truth is we need a replacement for the player GMTM hoped Bogosian would be or better. I've advocated for getting one of Ana's surplus of defenders. Other's have wanted Ghost from Philly and Hamilton from Cgy.

What do you think we need to do?


Edited by yse325, 09 March 2017 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 05:33 PM

Murray gets flak for many things, but in my view the only serious miscalculation he has made was acquiring Bogosian to lead our second pair. Is it possible to find a way resurrect his game? He wasn't always this bad and that contract is an anchor.

Kulikov was worth a swing. Could have never predicted that injury and what it has done.

We need to acquire assets from our UFAs at the deadline that we can parlay into a top four or emerging player some team is going to need to move because of the cap/expansion. I would be dangling our top pick (which should be top 10).

I like Guhle, but I think it would be a mistake to think he is going to be better next year than Franson is this year. He's not the solution yet.

Edited by dudacek, 11 February 2017 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:08 PM

I think most of us agree that we have 2/6th of a good defense group with Risto and McCabe.
All of us hope that Guhle can join the Sabres at worst the year after next and make an impact and give us the third piece of a championship D group. However to ask a 20 year old to save our terrible D group is asking to much.
The truth is we need a replacement for the player GMTM hoped Bogosian would be or better. I've advocated for getting one of Ana's surplus of defenders. Other's have wanted Ghost from Philly and Hamilton from Cgy.
What do you think we need to do?


I don't agree. I think Bogo is criminally underrated and I think the Sabres have an ok third pair, no matter who is back there. Really, I want to see Bogo with a better partner. I think they are 4/6 of the way there. Add a bettter partner for Bogo, put Gorges and Fedun or whoever on the third pair, and it doesn't look so bad.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:27 PM

I don't agree. I think Bogo is criminally underrated and I think the Sabres have an ok third pair, no matter who is back there. Really, I want to see Bogo with a better partner. I think they are 4/6 of the way there. Add a bettter partner for Bogo, put Gorges and Fedun or whoever on the third pair, and it doesn't look so bad.

 Underrated how?  He has been injured each of his 2+ years here.  Missing about 50-60 games.  His offense contribution, for a "speedy puck mover"  has declined to 1g, 4a for 5 pts in 30 games this season.  He is -31 in only 115 games and his possession numbers are mediocre at best.  DD has reduced his ice time even when healthy.  



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:49 PM

Underrated how? He has been injured each of his 2+ years here. Missing about 50-60 games. His offense contribution, for a "speedy puck mover" has declined to 1g, 4a for 5 pts in 30 games this season. He is -31 in only 115 games and his possession numbers are mediocre at best. DD has reduced his ice time even when healthy.


Did you just refer to Zack Bogosian as a speedy puck mover?

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

Did you just refer to Zack Bogosian as a speedy puck mover?

Well, he does tend to get it to the opponents sticks in an expeditious manner

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:15 PM

Personally I think signing Falk and Fedun to shore up defensive depth was a masterstroke.  Not top 4 guys, but they've been leaned on heavily and haven't broken.



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:25 PM

Short term, don't see much that can be done other than improving the coaching.

LT, Ristolainen is top pairing & McCabe is at minimum a 4, most likely a 3 and can be a serviceable 2.

I'd still like to see Kulikov back next year expecting that when healthy (& he's been healthy throughout his career until the freak injury) he's top 4 material. Bogosian, when healthy & not paired w/ Gorges nor Kulikov, is a 2nd pairing guy. Won't be broken up if he's grabbed by Vegas, but won't hate having him back.

Hopefully Guhle is ready next year. If not, I trust Murray will have at least 2, if not 3 or 4, serviceable 3rd pairing guys.

I'd like to see them grab either some of Minny's or better yet Anaheim's surplus quality D but would prefer to see one of the young wingers not named Nylander & picks being the bulk of what goes out. (They'd better be getting Fowler if Kane is PART of the package.)

Next year & moving forward, don't see the top 6 being a liability like they were this year, though expect they're at least a season away from having the depth to cover for LT injury to Risto or Jake.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 07:47 PM

Underrated how? He has been injured each of his 2+ years here. Missing about 50-60 games. His offense contribution, for a "speedy puck mover" has declined to 1g, 4a for 5 pts in 30 games this season. He is -31 in only 115 games and his possession numbers are mediocre at best. DD has reduced his ice time even when healthy.

I want Bogo to be Jim Schoenfeld and not Phil Housley.

Also, Just noticed you are from Marietta. You and Liger should link up!

Edited by Eleven, 11 February 2017 - 07:49 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:42 PM

Did you just refer to Zack Bogosian as a speedy puck mover?


Yes, that was how he was described when drafted as a smooth skating high skill D with a physical game.

I want Bogo to be Jim Schoenfeld and not Phil Housley.
Also, Just noticed you are from Marietta. You and Liger should link up!


I'd love for him to be Schoeny, but we aren't even getting Uwe Krupp.

Nice post Taro. I'd have no problem if we start the year with Gorges and Falk as our 6 and 7th D next year, but they are both lefties. We actually have 6 D signed for next year if Guhle makes the team, 4 lefties, (Guhle, and McCabe in addition) and Risto and Bogo on the right.

We need an actual right shooting speedy puck mover like Shattenkirk, not simply one described that way.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:35 PM

I don't agree. I think Bogo is criminally underrated and I think the Sabres have an ok third pair, no matter who is back there. Really, I want to see Bogo with a better partner. I think they are 4/6 of the way there. Add a bettter partner for Bogo, put Gorges and Fedun or whoever on the third pair, and it doesn't look so bad.

 

I agree with you about Bogo. Defensemen have become given too much responsibility over the last few years with the changes in strategies, so in the rand scheme of things today's D-men rarely look perfect. I would venture to guess that every single team in th league isn't happy about some aspects of their D core. With that said, Bogo is better than people give him credit for and he would probably get top 4 minutes on almost all teams in the league. If the Sabres brought in a legitimate #2 D-man, fans would find something they don't like about him too. 

 

Re-sign Kulikov. He brings much more to the table than people think because he's been hurt all year. If there is a lack of depth, you don't let what you have get away, especially when is a young 2/3 guy............ and considering his injury this year could probably be had for cheap. 



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:59 PM

Kulikov is better than we've seen, but Bogosian has been here for two years.

Someone - True I think - described him to a T: 20 games of invisibility, 20 games of horribleness, 20 games where you say, see, he is a good player, and 20 games injured, and they usually come in blocks. That only 20 games of top four minutes. That's not good enough.

He wasn't that bad in Winnipeg. He'd miss games, but he was mostly average to good; he has all the tools, he should be a top four guy.
But he's not, at least not during his time inBuffalo.

Edited by dudacek, 11 February 2017 - 09:59 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 10:17 PM

Bogosian, Kulikov, Franson are all guys that have a place getting moderate minutes on good defenses. But all three getting big minutes on the same team is a problem.

McCabe is still a developing young player, prone to gaffs, but I came into this season not convinced he'd ever be a top 6 regular and he's blown me away so far. Long term, ideally, he's playing with a similar talent on the second pair.

Long term, we need Guhle to grow exponentially to fill the void next to Risto, with the way defensemen are being hoarded. There's a large chance it doesn't work out that way. 

 

Risto is like 21. He won't be 25 for four more years. We'll see what happens with him. 



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 10:44 PM

Kulikov is better than we've seen, but Bogosian has been here for two years.

Someone - True I think - described him to a T: 20 games of invisibility, 20 games of horribleness, 20 games where you say, see, he is a good player, and 20 games injured, and they usually come in blocks. That only 20 games of top four minutes. That's not good enough.

He wasn't that bad in Winnipeg. He'd miss games, but he was mostly average to good; he has all the tools, he should be a top four guy.
But he's not, at least not during his time inBuffalo.

has he had the 20 game block of good yet this year? I 'm thinkin its coming up after he returns from injury ☺

What a tease his first game as a Sabre was. I think he had 11 hits, he was mean and aggressive and looked like a terror.

Now i'm left hoping that guy is the playoff Bogo when they get there.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:42 PM

Does anyone really still think that Bogo and Kulikov would be a good second pair and that they are criminally underrated? The only thing criminal is the over $9 mill they stole from the Sabres.

Now DD he is thinking on benching Kulikov. What took so long?

Frankly it's past time to bench Gorges, Bogo and Kulikov. Its time to let Falk play, bring up Nelson, waive Gorges. Maybe if we waive him, someone will take him and we'd save $4 mill.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:44 PM

Does anyone really still think that Bogo and Kulikov would be a good second pair and that they are criminally underrated? The only thing criminal is the over $9 mill they stole from the Sabres.
Now DD he is thinking on benching Kulikov. What took so long?
Frankly it's past time to bench Gorges, Bogo and Kulikov. Its time to let Falk play, bring up Nelson, waive Gorges. Maybe if we waive him, someone will take him and we'd save $4 mill.


I think this board greatly underrates Bogo. Jury out n Kuli.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:46 PM

I think this board greatly underrates Bogo. Jury out n Kuli.

I think we underrate him, and I'd still have Kulikov back. But I really need something to change somewhere in the D corps. We're just too slow to play the system DD wants to play. 



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:55 PM

I think this board greatly underrates Bogo. Jury out n Kuli.


How is he underrated? There is currently not a single, solitary thing he's doing well.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

How is he underrated? There is currently not a single, solitary thing he's doing well.


He's so bad. And makes so much money. I've already built myself into the walls of the Bogo Bunker.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

Short term? Like this season? Write it off, maybe bring up some kids and eval their progress. Sign a couple promising kids out of college if possible.

 

Kulikov will be fine, whether in Buffalo or someone else. See if he'll go for a 3 x ${something modest} to reprove himself. Bogo would probably be fine in a different system. Hopefully that different system will be in Buffalo by October.



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 06:11 PM

Murray gets flak for many things, but in my view the only serious miscalculation he has made was acquiring Bogosian to lead our second pair. Is it possible to find a way resurrect his game? He wasn't always this bad and that contract is an anchor.

 

My understanding is that WPG mandated we Bogo's contract off their hands as part of the Kane deal.   I don't believe GMTM was targeting him to lead the second pairing.

 

Bogo is fast when he gets up to speed, but his quickness, first step, and agility are on Gorges level and it gets him into a lot of bad situations against today's speedy forwards.   And his hockey IQ is off the charts... the bottom of the chart.  

 

Guhle will add speed/quickness, but I haven't seen enough of him to comment on his d-zone play.. same for Borgen.    Fitzgerald could Brian Campbell or Marc-Andre Gragnani.    He looked good at the wjc, seemed to have very good awareness and poise, but just haven't seen enough of him.    

 

That said, Chycrun is having a nice rookie season in PHX, he would've been my pick at the time over Nylander... based on need obviously.   IMO he could've helped this year... long term will Nylander be a better player?  Maybe, I hope so.



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:01 AM

GMTM admitted today that the crappy blueline is on him.

He acquired Bogo, Kulikov, Franson and Gorges. Do we trust him to fix it?

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 07:22 AM

GMTM admitted today that the crappy blueline is on him.

He acquired Bogo, Kulikov, Franson and Gorges. Do we trust him to fix it?

In GMTM I trust

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 08:02 AM

The trade of Cattenaci for Bodie should do it!!! Lol

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 08:55 AM

Keep Franson for his shot, assuming Bogo and Kuli are both working thru injuries... hope they heal this am and trade them next deadline... Sign Kuli to a two year low ball before draft and use him in trade. Draft a stud (Valimaki) and sign a healthy free agent.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 09:42 AM

Gorges was acquired for a 2nd rounder to keep the battle level up on the ice, the spirits up in the room and help the young defencemen get better. On the ice he was here to take the bullets as the team tanked.
The room seems tight, Risto and McCabe look good.
He's done, but he did what he was brought here to do. I give the trade a C+

Bogosian was acquired mostly as a way to complete the Kane for Myers trade. But I think it's safe to say the expectation was that he would replace most of Myers ice time and anchor the second pair. We've seen that player for only 20 or 30 games. Bogosian for Myers gets a C-, Bogosian for expectations a D, Overall trade a B.

Franson was signed late in the summer at no cost in assets to a relatively cheap contract to play as a 5.
He absolutely sucked his first year, has played to expectations this year. C

Kulikov-plus for Pysyk was a bit of a roll of the dice given his UFA status. He was a legit top 4. Best case scenario he played that way and you kept him, if not you deal him at the deadline for a second. The bench door created an unforeseeable nightmare. The thought was that we wouldn't be able to protect Pysyk in expansion anyway. Kulikov has been terrible, he got nothing at the deadline and he is unlikely to be re-signed. Right now we would be protecting Pysyk. I'm giving this trade a C- because Asplund looks like he was worth moving up for, but Kulikov himself has been an F. I don't blame Murray for that.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 10:18 AM

Keep Franson for his shot, assuming Bogo and Kuli are both working thru injuries... hope they heal this am and trade them next deadline... Sign Kuli to a two year low ball before draft and use him in trade. Draft a stud (Valimaki) and sign a healthy free agent.

 

NB, We have the worst D group in the NHL.  They give up more shots against then any other team. We have 2 of the slowest D in the NHL in Franson and Gorges.  I have already shown that Franson's performance, the 3rd best of the Sabres D, is on the same level as Jordie Benn but for 3 times the price, yet Benn is both a better shot blocker and penalty killer (2 things we need).  Kulikov has literally been one of the worst D in the NHL this season that DD is finally considering benching him.  He has 2 pts in 38 games and after a -2 last night is now -17 for the season.  Our friend Bogosian isn't much ahead of Kulikov with 7 pts and a -14 in 38 games.  You also can't blame their awful performance of injuries.  If there are so hurt that they are ineffective when playing they should be on IR.  If they are healthy enough to play then they should contribute at a reasonable level and not be a liability each time they step onto the ice.

 

We have 4 terrible D in Kulikov, Bogosian, Franson and Gorges.  None should return at any price.  Sadly Bogo has 3 more years at $5.142 per season so he isn't going anywhere, but the other 3 can be gone at seasons end; Kulikov and Franson by not re-signing them and Gorges through an inexpensive buyout.  Why make the same mistakes and keep players that were major contributors to this mediocre season.  They aren't worth re-signing at any price.  

 

We have a golden opportunity to overhaul this group by adding more speed, better puck movers and hopefully a couple of better penalty killers. That starts with seeing if Borgen and Guhle are ready to contribute next season by getting them onto the NHL ice as soon as their college and Jr season's end.  (we need to sign Borgen as well).  We need Falk in the lineup to see if he is the no.6 D or no. 7 D next season.  Then in the off-season we need to find away to get one of the excess good young D away from Minn (Brodie), Ana (Vatanen, Theodore or Montour) or the NYI (DeHaan or Hickey), in addition to looking at good free agents even Shattenkirk.  

 

We also need to be budget conscious.   We spent almost 16.5 mill on the 4 terrible D.   DK,ZB, & JG in 124 g contributed 2g 10a, 12 pts -32 with a cost of over 13 million.  Fedun and Falk in 66 games have given us 14pts & +3 for 1.2 million total.  But after next season the cap becomes an issue for us when we need to re-sign Jack, Sam and Kane.  Cutting the 16.5 we spent on the gruesome foursome to 10 or less will go along away to help us afford the forwards,but that should still be plenty of money to get what we need, especially if a kid like Guhle steps up and earns a spot.



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 10:35 AM

NB, We have the worst D group in the NHL.  They give up more shots against then any other team. We have 2 of the slowest D in the NHL in Franson and Gorges.  I have already shown that Franson's performance, the 3rd best of the Sabres D, is on the same level as Jordie Benn but for 3 times the price, yet Benn is both a better shot blocker and penalty killer (2 things we need).  Kulikov has literally been one of the worst D in the NHL this season that DD is finally considering benching him.  He has 2 pts in 38 games and after a -2 last night is now -17 for the season.  Our friend Bogosian isn't much ahead of Kulikov with 7 pts and a -14 in 38 games.  You also can't blame their awful performance of injuries.  If there are so hurt that they are ineffective when playing they should be on IR.  If they are healthy enough to play then they should contribute at a reasonable level and not be a liability each time they step onto the ice.
 
We have 4 terrible D in Kulikov, Bogosian, Franson and Gorges.  None should return at any price.  Sadly Bogo has 3 more years at $5.142 per season so he isn't going anywhere, but the other 3 can be gone at seasons end; Kulikov and Franson by not re-signing them and Gorges through an inexpensive buyout.  Why make the same mistakes and keep players that were major contributors to this mediocre season.  They aren't worth re-signing at any price.  
 
We have a golden opportunity to overhaul this group by adding more speed, better puck movers and hopefully a couple of better penalty killers. That starts with seeing if Borgen and Guhle are ready to contribute next season by getting them onto the NHL ice as soon as their college and Jr season's end.  (we need to sign Borgen as well).  We need Falk in the lineup to see if he is the no.6 D or no. 7 D next season.  Then in the off-season we need to find away to get one of the excess good young D away from Minn (Brodie), Ana (Vatanen, Theodore or Montour) or the NYI (DeHaan or Hickey), in addition to looking at good free agents even Shattenkirk.  
 
We also need to be budget conscious.   We spent almost 16.5 mill on the 4 terrible D.   DK,ZB, & JG in 124 g contributed 2g 10a, 12 pts -32 with a cost of over 13 million.  Fedun and Falk in 66 games have given us 14pts & +3 for 1.2 million total.  But after next season the cap becomes an issue for us when we need to re-sign Jack, Sam and Kane.  Cutting the 16.5 we spent on the gruesome foursome to 10 or less will go along away to help us afford the forwards,but that should still be plenty of money to get what we need, especially if a kid like Guhle steps up and earns a spot.


So to me its only how best to get it done... and then Sabres are only looking for 1 D plus Ghule and draft a stud D to develop.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 10:54 AM

Sign shattenkirk as UFA , dump Bogo , Gorges, franson.   Won't happen :P



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:10 AM

Franson was signed late in the summer at no cost in assets to a relatively cheap contract to play as a 5.
He absolutely sucked his first year, has played to expectations this year. C

Kulikov-plus for Pysyk was a bit of a roll of the dice given his UFA status. He was a legit top 4. Best case scenario he played that way and you kept him, if not you deal him at the deadline for a second. The bench door created an unforeseeable nightmare. The thought was that we wouldn't be able to protect Pysyk in expansion anyway. Kulikov has been terrible, he got nothing at the deadline and he is unlikely to be re-signed. Right now we would be protecting Pysyk. I'm giving this trade a C- because Asplund looks like he was worth moving up for, but Kulikov himself has been an F. I don't blame Murray for that.

 

I somewhat agree on Bogo and Gorges, especially since Gorges and Gionta were kind of a set and Gionta has been what we hoped he'd be, I can't disagree more on Franson and Kulikov.

 

GMTM said he needed a fast, puck moving LD and instead signed a slow RD  that none of the experienced GM's in the NHL wanted to give more then a 1yr deal to.  Had he signed him to a one year deal, even a more expensive 1 yr deal, we could have parted company with him after last year's disaster and freed up cap space to go after the LD we still needed.  Grade D because of poor play, poor cap management and for settling for a overpaid mediocre player not in the position you said you wanted and needed. It's not an F, because Franson at least played to a Jordie Benn level this year.

 

By giving Franson a two year deal, GMTM made the panic trade of Pysyk for Kulikov to get his "balance" on D.  Getting Kulikov cost the Sabres over $3 mill more then Pysyk for ultimately inferior play.  Had we kept Pysyk, he might be the 3rd protected D from expansion, or without Franson and Kulikov we might have had the money to acquire the real quality LD GMTM has been searching for for 2 years.  Grade F.  One can hope the Asplund become a NHL center (3rd center at best in Buffalo), but remember we gave up the 38th and 89th to move up to 33rd.  According to the draft pick value charts I've seen, http://www.broadstre...alue-trading-up, this would have been a fair trade without Pysyk for Kulikov.

 

Therefore I read the deal as two separate trades

1) Pysyk for Kulikov - Grade F

2)The 38th and 89th for the 33rd - Grade unknown.

 

In fact the trades for Kulikov and signing of Franson are two of the reasons I question GMTM's ability to solve the problem he created.


Edited by yse325, 03 March 2017 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:37 AM

Based on his play in Florida did you think Kulikov was a top 4 defenceman when we got him?
Do you think the injury is a factor in his play this year?
Do you think Murray should have anticipated the injury and/or a huge drop-off in play?

What UFA defenceman would you have signed just prior to training camp in 2015 that would have been a significant upgrade on Franson?
What defenceman has Franson's contract stopped us from acquiring?

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:40 AM

Sign shattenkirk as UFA , dump Bogo , Gorges, franson.   Won't happen :P

Yup that would be the fast one.

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:43 AM

Based on his play in Florida did you think Kulikov was a top 4 defenceman when we got him?
Do you think the injury is a factor in his play this year?
Do you think Murray should have anticipated the injury and/or a huge drop-off in play?

What UFA defenceman would you have signed just prior to training camp in 2015 that would have been a significant upgrade on Franson?
What defenceman has Franson's contract stopped us from acquiring?

 

I think at the time of the trade, almost everyone here thought getting Kulikov was a good deal and I still think it was.   

His injury is still affecting his play, he can't even do game day practices.

All the rest is murray just being unlucky.

 

The market for a good UFA D has been pretty bare last two years, wouldn't know who he could have signed.


Yup that would be the fast one.

 

Well I say it won't happen, but the rangers will have to move contracts before they can even give shattenkirk 7 mill a year.

So it will be interesting to see what will happen there, and if they can do it quickly enough.



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Posted 03 March 2017 - 11:45 AM

I think at the time of the trade, almost everyone here thought getting Kulikov was a good deal and I still think it was.
His injury is still affecting his play, he can't even do game day practices.
All the rest is murray just being unlucky.

The market for a good UFA D has been pretty bare last two years, wouldn't know who he could have signed.

Well I say it won't happen, but the rangers will have to move contracts before they can even give shattenkirk 7 mill a year.
So it will be interesting to see what will happen there, and if they can do it quickly enough.

Shatt in a local guy to Strangers born in New Rochelle, so who becomes available from there?

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

Based on his play in Florida did you think Kulikov was a top 4 defenceman when we got him?
Do you think the injury is a factor in his play this year?
Do you think Murray should have anticipated the injury and/or a huge drop-off in play?

What UFA defenceman would you have signed just prior to training camp in 2015 that would have been a significant upgrade on Franson?
What defenceman has Franson's contract stopped us from acquiring?

Play in Florida:  Good question.  When we made the trade I looked at Kulikov's numbers and advanced stats and I thought he was a more of a 5 the top 4.  His possession number were mediocre and his offensive output had been declining over the previous 3/4 season.  His possession numbers were the reason Fla put him on the market.  When compared to Pysyk'ds numbers it didn't seem like much of an upgrade and for the additional cap cost, I didn't think the deal made any sense or was necessary especially when you watch the D group improve over the 2nd half of last year with McCabe and Pysyk in the lineup.  

 

Of course the injury has played a role, but if if he is so hurt he can't practice or be effective when playing why isn't he on LTIR.  Same with Bogo.  

 

I think Murray should have had more depth on D entering the season then he did and then once he was calling up Guhle and Burgdorfer he should have made a move or two to shore up the D in Buffalo and/or Rochester instead of simply grabbing marginal ECHL D to fill in for the callups. Having better depth might have allowed us to keep Bogo and Kulikov on the IR until fully healed without sabotaging the season.  Remember that Falk and Fedun were intended to be the no.1 pair in Rochester, not the no. 2 pair in Buffalo.  Considering Bogo injury history and the fact that every team goes through significant injuries, yes GMTM should have anticipated someone getting hurt.

 

Other guys to sign instead of Franson?  Not sure.  The FA class in 2015 was pretty week and I don't know who was available in trade and for how much.  Regardless, the 2 year deal for a slow skating guy that no one else was giving a 2 year offer to was not smart and a waste of nearly $7 million.  Also the combination of Kulikov and Franson's cap hits helped put us pretty close to the cap this season, and limited GMTM's ability to take on another big contract.  



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:51 PM

After the debacle last night, anyone else really pissed that GMTM didn't try to help this club at the deadline or at least clear some of the dead weight at any price?



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:55 PM

After the debacle last night, anyone else really pissed that GMTM didn't try to help this club at the deadline or at least clear some of the dead weight at any price?

 

Nope.  There weren't any moves to make.



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:22 PM

Trade for Ghost, fire Byslma, hire Housley 



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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:36 PM

GHULE, draft Vilamaki and let go of enough of these free agents to clear for one of the young D top four that become available via trade or signing.  Trade may be to take dead cap salary on as well. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:01 PM

After the debacle last night, anyone else really pissed that GMTM didn't try to help this club at the deadline or at least clear some of the dead weight at any price?

 

Not me.  There was nothing to be done and I don't like moves being made for the sake of doing something, especially 'at any price'.