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#81 Saratoga Sabres Fan

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:52 PM

It's the name of my college team. So I find it rather strange.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:02 AM

It's the name of my college team. So I find it rather strange.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:15 AM

Clarkson?


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:20 PM

Murray mentioned today that McPhee owes him a favor. He said something like (paraphrasing): "Maybe i've done a deal in the past with George, maybe I've had a conversation with him reminding him of that and he remembered the wordage of that deal word for word, which I was very happy to hear"



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:22 PM

Murray mentioned today that McPhee owes him a favor. He said something like (paraphrasing): "Maybe i've done a deal in the past with George, maybe I've had a conversation with him reminding him of that and he remembered the wordage of that deal word for word, which I was very happy to hear"

'Firstborn for Moulson and Ennis?'



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:23 PM

Murray mentioned today that McPhee owes him a favor. He said something like (paraphrasing): "Maybe i've done a deal in the past with George, maybe I've had a conversation with him reminding him of that and he remembered the wordage of that deal word for word, which I was very happy to hear"

https://www.youtube....h?v=DTtpWgrhS78



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 01:39 AM

Murray mentioned today that McPhee owes him a favor. He said something like (paraphrasing): "Maybe i've done a deal in the past with George, maybe I've had a conversation with him reminding him of that and he remembered the wordage of that deal word for word, which I was very happy to hear"


Halak and a third for Neuvirth and Klesla is the only deal they've ever made, unless he's referring to something he did as an assistant GM. Klesla had been acquired just a day earlier by the Caps and never played a game for them. He quit hockey rather than report to Buffalo, so I guess you could certainly call Klesla a favour.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:47 AM

'Firstborn for Moulson and Ennis?'

 

If he took either of those guys (or Gorges) in the expansion draft this place will go nuts. Sign me up.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:08 PM

It would be interesting in a poll to see how we all feel about who should be protected, who will be selected and who we want to be selected.

 

For example:  

7-3-1 ROR, Okposo, Foligno, Carrier, Girgensons, Larsson and Kane; McCabe, Risto and Bogo; Lehner - 

LV takes Ullmark selected

Moulson is the guy I wanted selected



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:48 PM

It would be interesting in a poll to see how we all feel about who should be protected, who will be selected and who we want to be selected.

 

For example:  

7-3-1 ROR, Okposo, Foligno, Carrier, Girgensons, Larsson and Kane; McCabe, Risto and Bogo; Lehner - 

LV takes Ullmark selected

Moulson is the guy I wanted selected

 

Good idea. I doubt many (other than a few hardcore bunkerites) will disagree with your protected list.

 

I hope they acquire another D that forces them to expose Bogo and that he gets picked.

Other than that, Moulson or Ennis is fine. I guess Ennis because I like both guys and being moved would be better for him than Matt.

 

Matt is the guy I now think will be picked. Same reason we got him: good dude to ride shotgun with their younger players; can still produce on the PP; could be a tradeable asset at the deadline if he's scoring, or to a floor team in the summer if he's not. McPhee likes him; Murray might sweeten the deal.

 

I think Ullmark is the best player available, but I don't think Vegas will pick him unless they are doing it to trade him.

Too many better goalies available.


Edited by dudacek, 22 March 2017 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:59 AM

Halak and a third for Neuvirth and Klesla is the only deal they've ever made, unless he's referring to something he did as an assistant GM. Klesla had been acquired just a day earlier by the Caps and never played a game for them. He quit hockey rather than report to Buffalo, so I guess you could certainly call Klesla a favour.

 

I found the quotevery interesting and agree, the Halak trade was the logical situation GMTM was referring to.  Not sure if it was taking Klesla or finding a way to get the Caps Halak via St Louis, either way, there is a favor owed and acknowledgment to that end.

 

I think the expansion draft and the behind the scenes negotiating will be fascinating.

 

Do all the GM's see the unprotected lists, I know they are not made public, but, I assume all GM's will have access to those.



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:21 AM

I found the quotevery interesting and agree, the Halak trade was the logical situation GMTM was referring to.  Not sure if it was taking Klesla or finding a way to get the Caps Halak via St Louis, either way, there is a favor owed and acknowledgment to that end.

 

I think the expansion draft and the behind the scenes negotiating will be fascinating.

 

Do all the GM's see the unprotected lists, I know they are not made public, but, I assume all GM's will have access to those.

 

 

More source tells me there's no way they can keep the protected lists from going public.   



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:26 AM

Honestly, Vegas taking Ulmark (which I still think is a very remote possibility) might not be a bad thing. Sounds like Peterson is very hesitant about signing with the Sabres due to their goalie depth and ages. The more I read about it, sounds like we can only have two from Lehner, Ulmark and Peterson.



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:43 AM

Pretty sure Murray wants to go into next year with Ullmark backing up Lehner and Petersen playing 50-60 in the AHL. Not sure Petersen is going to get a better opportunity elsewhere.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:24 PM

I found the quotevery interesting and agree, the Halak trade was the logical situation GMTM was referring to.  Not sure if it was taking Klesla or finding a way to get the Caps Halak via St Louis, either way, there is a favor owed and acknowledgment to that end.

 

I think the expansion draft and the behind the scenes negotiating will be fascinating.

 

Do all the GM's see the unprotected lists, I know they are not made public, but, I assume all GM's will have access to those.

 

Last time I heard, only the LV gm will knows the protected list giving him an extrem advantage in trading with other GM's and making offers.

This offseason is going to be fun :D



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:03 AM

To me, the question over protection of either girgs and Larsson comes down to : who would be more valuable in the playoffs? From a subjective opinion Larssons game /persona seems it would translate much more impact fully than girgs. His line with Foligno and gionta could had been a very good second line on a tank team And very solid fourth line on a contender. I just think Larsson is defensively minded enough to play a much more needed role. Don't get me wrong I love girgs but if his trade value also may be slightly higher. I think if I was gm I would find a team that wants him before the draft for as best assets as possible . I would then use those assets, possibly additional assets, and flip bogo to a team that can't hold on to their d. Just a thought . Id hate to lose him for nothing, and another team may see upside. With Rodriquez solidifying a role for dirt cheap at center, and because girgs is really only effective at center, I think it makes sense. Edit: this may be harder than it sounds because the new team would have to decide whether to protect bogo- they're not gonna take him and lose him. His cap hit is the only concern. There has to be ONE team out there that would trade a Lh top4 d for bogo and assets / girgs. I wouldn't mind parting a non lottery 1st (weak draft class) bogo girgs and a promising b level prospect for a top 4 d. Would just be hard to flip bogo to a team that could lose a d.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:18 AM

I would keep Girgs over Larsson.  Girgs is more versatile, a better skater, and more tenacious.  He can move up on lines or play wing when needed.  Larsson is more of a one-note defensive player who can be replaced by Rodrigues.



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:27 AM

I've been quite disappointed with Girgs the last two seasons. If he stays, I hope he can turn it up a level



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:58 AM

To me, the question over protection of either girgs and Larsson comes down to : who would be more valuable in the playoffs? From a subjective opinion Larssons game /persona seems it would translate much more impact fully than girgs. His line with Foligno and gionta could had been a very good second line on a tank team And very solid fourth line on a contender. I just think Larsson is defensively minded enough to play a much more needed role. Don't get me wrong I love girgs but if his trade value also may be slightly higher. I think if I was gm I would find a team that wants him before the draft for as best assets as possible . I would then use those assets, possibly additional assets, and flip bogo to a team that can't hold on to their d. Just a thought . Id hate to lose him for nothing, and another team may see upside. With Rodriquez solidifying a role for dirt cheap at center, and because girgs is really only effective at center, I think it makes sense. Edit: this may be harder than it sounds because the new team would have to decide whether to protect bogo- they're not gonna take him and lose him. His cap hit is the only concern. There has to be ONE team out there that would trade a Lh top4 d for bogo and assets / girgs. I wouldn't mind parting a non lottery 1st (weak draft class) bogo girgs and a promising b level prospect for a top 4 d. Would just be hard to flip bogo to a team that could lose a d.


Interesting thoughts on keeping Larsson over Girgensons. It's very like moot though as of the F's that aren't exempt from the Vrgas draft, the Sabres only have 7 worth protecting & they are both in that group.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:23 AM

Interesting thoughts on keeping Larsson over Girgensons. It's very like moot though as of the F's that aren't exempt from the Vrgas draft, the Sabres only have 7 worth protecting & they are both in that group.

 

I agree. Now that Eichel and Reinhart will be getting new deals soon we should prioritize keeping the younger cheaper players like Girgensons and Larsoon and expose the players who get paid more than they should based on production such as Ennis, Moulson, and Gorges.


Edited by Drunkard, 24 March 2017 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:08 PM

There is a calculator on capfriendly.com that does a cost per goal, assist and point for each player. I knew we were one of the worst teams in value, but it really makes clear who needs to be protected and who doesn't particularly for the forwards, but it also shows how little production we are getting outside McCabe and Risto.

Bottomline: Ennis is the least productive Sabres forward and is the guy we need to hope LV takes. I'm not optimistic.

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 07:39 AM

I would keep Girgs over Larsson. Girgs is more versatile, a better skater, and more tenacious. He can move up on lines or play wing when needed. Larsson is more of a one-note defensive player who can be replaced by Rodrigues.


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Posted 26 March 2017 - 10:38 AM

We talked about making a deal with LV for a D during expansion, but what about making a deal with NYI, Minn, Ana or Philly before the draft.  It looks like Philly and the NYI aren't going to make the playoffs either,  Teams can make deals right after the season ends.  

 

Lets take the NYI for example.  They have a ton of D.  Some kids like Pelach and former 1st pick Pulock knocking on the door and needing protection as well as Boychuk (NMC), Leddy who they must protect, plus quality guys like Hamonic, De Haan and Hickey.  That's 7 guys and really only 3 slots to protect them with.  Hamonic is the logically trade because of his past desire to be traded and large cap hit.  While still an excellent player he has had an off season and still likely still wants to be sent to Western Canada, which wouid limit his trade value.  

 

The player I want is DeHaan.  Only 25 and an RFA after this season, there is reason to think the NYI might be will to trade him instead of paying to re-sign him.  He isn't a great offensive D, but he eats minutes, skates well, moves the puck. Really a move experienced version of McCabe.  Downside also a LD.  

 

DeHaan is just an example.  Sami Vatanen would also fit perfectly (he is a RD).  My question is if GMTM pulls off such a move, how does it change our protected list?  Do we move to 4-4-1?  What would 4-4-1 look like?

Forwards: ROR, Okposo, Kane & Foligno.  Expose: Moulson Ennis Girgensons, Larsson and Carrier

Defense: McCabe, Risto Vatanen and Bogo: Expose Falk and Gorges (do we swap Falk for Bogo to try to get rid of his contract?)

 

or do we stick to 7-3-1

Forwards:ROR, Okposo, Kane, Girgensons, Larsson Carrier & Foligno.  Expose: Moulson and Ennis

Defense:  McCabe, Risto and Vatanen Expose: Bogo, Falk and Gorges



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 10:46 AM

We talked about making a deal with LV for a D during expansion, but what about making a deal with NYI, Minn, Ana or Philly before the draft. It looks like Philly and the NYI aren't going to make the playoffs either, Teams can make deals right after the season ends.

Lets take the NYI for example. They have a ton of D. Some kids like Pelach and former 1st pick Pulock knocking on the door and needing protection as well as Boychuk (NMC), Leddy who they must protect, plus quality guys like Hamonic, De Haan and Hickey. That's 7 guys and really only 3 slots to protect them with. Hamonic is the logically trade because of his past desire to be traded and large cap hit. While still an excellent player he has had an off season and still likely still wants to be sent to Western Canada, which wouid limit his trade value.

The player I want is DeHaan. Only 25 and an RFA after this season, there is reason to think the NYI might be will to trade him instead of paying to re-sign him. He isn't a great offensive D, but he eats minutes, skates well, moves the puck. Really a move experienced version of McCabe. Downside also a LD.

DeHaan is just an example. Sami Vatanen would also fit perfectly (he is a RD). My question is if GMTM pulls off such a move, how does it change our protected list? Do we move to 4-4-1? What would 4-4-1 look like?
Forwards: ROR, Okposo, Kane & Foligno. Expose: Moulson Ennis Girgensons, Larsson and Carrier
Defense: McCabe, Risto Vatanen and Bogo: Expose Falk and Gorges (do we swap Falk for Bogo to try to get rid of his contract?)

or do we stick to 7-3-1
Forwards:ROR, Okposo, Kane, Girgensons, Larsson Carrier & Foligno. Expose: Moulson and Ennis
Defense: McCabe, Risto and Vatanen Expose: Bogo, Falk and Gorges



I'm not sure who the third defenseman is who they acquire, but this is pretty much what I expect.

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Posted 26 March 2017 - 03:36 PM

We talked about making a deal with LV for a D during expansion, but what about making a deal with NYI, Minn, Ana or Philly before the draft.  It looks like Philly and the NYI aren't going to make the playoffs either,  Teams can make deals right after the season ends.  
 
Lets take the NYI for example.  They have a ton of D.  Some kids like Pelach and former 1st pick Pulock knocking on the door and needing protection as well as Boychuk (NMC), Leddy who they must protect, plus quality guys like Hamonic, De Haan and Hickey.  That's 7 guys and really only 3 slots to protect them with.  Hamonic is the logically trade because of his past desire to be traded and large cap hit.  While still an excellent player he has had an off season and still likely still wants to be sent to Western Canada, which wouid limit his trade value.  
 
The player I want is DeHaan.  Only 25 and an RFA after this season, there is reason to think the NYI might be will to trade him instead of paying to re-sign him.  He isn't a great offensive D, but he eats minutes, skates well, moves the puck. Really a move experienced version of McCabe.  Downside also a LD.  
 
DeHaan is just an example.  Sami Vatanen would also fit perfectly (he is a RD).  My question is if GMTM pulls off such a move, how does it change our protected list?  Do we move to 4-4-1?  What would 4-4-1 look like?
Forwards: ROR, Okposo, Kane & Foligno.  Expose: Moulson Ennis Girgensons, Larsson and Carrier
Defense: McCabe, Risto Vatanen and Bogo: Expose Falk and Gorges (do we swap Falk for Bogo to try to get rid of his contract?)
 
or do we stick to 7-3-1
Forwards:ROR, Okposo, Kane, Girgensons, Larsson Carrier & Foligno.  Expose: Moulson and Ennis
Defense:  McCabe, Risto and Vatanen Expose: Bogo, Falk and Gorges


I'd expect them to stay w/ 7-3-1 if they do get a deal done prior to the Vegas draft w/ Bogosian becoming the unprotected one.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:38 AM

ESPN predicts Vegas' entire expansion draft

 

From the Sabres we have:

 

Burnside: Grigrnsons

 

Custance: Moulson (Further proof that Custance is indeed, a moron)

 

LeBrun: Ennis

 

McDonald: Gorges

 

http://www.espn.com/...ted-their-teams



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Posted Yesterday, 11:44 AM

ESPN predicts Vegas' entire expansion draft
 
From the Sabres we have:
 
Burnside: Grigrnsons
 
Custance: Moulson (Further proof that Custance is indeed, a moron)
 
LeBrun: Ennis
 
McDonald: Gorges
 
http://www.espn.com/...ted-their-teams


WTF was Burnside's 7th protected F if he has Girgensons going to Vegas?

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Posted Yesterday, 11:46 AM

Apparently all of them think Former Sabre Brayden McNabb will be taken from the Kings.