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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:27 PM

What would stop a team from double crossing Vegas or vice versa?


Probably the notion that it'd be the last time any GM ever dealt with you again.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:32 PM

Probably the notion that it'd be the last time any GM ever dealt with you again.


Yup. It would just eventually get to the point where a GM "had no one left in the galaxy to swindle".

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:51 PM

Probably the notion that it'd be the last time any GM ever dealt with you again.

 

I understand but sure seems possible this could happen.



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Posted 18 June 2017 - 02:44 PM

All I know is that I look at our list and Carrier/Ullmark are the only two guys I want from it. And if I'm Vegas, I look at the available G list and I don't need Ullmark. There's lots of NHL experience there even if you take a guy like Sparks from Toronto.

If Ullmark wasnt signed to a one way 'd say he would be valuable but brilliant contract so I'd guess Carrier and or Bogo

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

Brian Lawton (NHLNetwork) thinks LV signs Kulikov. That would be awesome!

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

Brian Lawton (NHLNetwork) thinks LV signs Kulikov. That would be awesome!


Not for those of us looking to lose somebody owed a lot of money it's not...

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:18 PM

Not for those of us looking to lose somebody owed a lot of money it's not...


Without a deal in place, which is possible, LV isn't taking Moulson, Bogo or Ennis. Without the deal, LV taking Kulikov over Carrier or Ullmark would be a win for the Sabres.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:20 PM

Without a deal in place, which is possible, LV isn't taking Moulson, Bogo or Ennis. Without the deal, LV taking Kulikov over Carrier or Ullmark would be a win for the Sabres.


In a vacuum absolutely. Please sweet baby Jeebus let there be a deal though.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:20 PM

Pretty sure the side deals will be registered as well.
Publicly they will be called future considerations.

Do we seriously think they will be making million-dollar deals without due diligence?
This isn't 1968.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:22 PM

Without a deal in place, which is possible, LV isn't taking Moulson, Bogo or Ennis. Without the deal, LV taking Kulikov over Carrier or Ullmark would be a win for the Sabres.


Second thought: LV is going to have to pick up sizable salary somewhere, why not Matty Mo. He does have connections to their front office, after all.

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:56 PM

Brian Lawton (NHLNetwork) thinks LV signs Kulikov. That would be awesome!

 

He also thinks their building a mostly Russian team. lol



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:42 AM

Brian Lawton (NHLNetwork) thinks LV signs Kulikov. That would be awesome!


I wouldn't be surprised at all if they sign him but why would they sign him during this three day window and thus forfeit a pick? If he wants to go there he can just sign when free agency starts. I know there would be risks in waiting but I can't imagine he's a hot commodity even though he is better then he showed this year.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 07:33 AM

As nice as losing a big ugly contract (Molson, Bogosian) would be, I'd be happy to lose Kulikov over both Ullmark and Carrier. It's going to be interesting to see all the wheeling and dealing between now and the announcement of the Expansion Draft results.

 

Although I'd expect them to just talk to Kulikov now while they have an exclusive window and wait to sign him in July 1st and still take Carrier or Ullmark from us for the expansion draft.


Edited by SabresBaltimore, 19 June 2017 - 07:35 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:40 AM

I wonder how many playersbthey actually sign in this window. Smart move would be to talk to who you want, and set things up that they sign a deal on July 1st so your not forfeiting a pick to sign a FA.

I wonder if any team is going to negotiate with Vegas to maybe acquire someone on the unprotected list of someone else. Like making a deal that would have them draft someone to then flip after the draft to their team. Like a team coveting bogo or Moulson (I know, I know, just using them as an example) could swing a deal with Vegas to draft one of them and then flip them after to them

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:46 AM

Brian Lawton (NHLNetwork) thinks LV signs Kulikov. That would be awesome!

 

Signs him?  Or selects him in the expansion draft?  (He'll be a UFA on 7/1.)



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

Signs him?  Or selects him in the expansion draft?  (He'll be a UFA on 7/1.)

Same thing.  They'll work out an agreement and then select him.  

 

Why do it before 7/1?  The answer is simple.  Once 7/1 hits everyone can talk to him and he could go anywhere.  With this 3 day period LV can get him locked up now and not worry that if they play the waiting game, he could get a better offer elsewhere and walk.  In fact, agents could use offers from LV to try to get better offers from the other 30 teams. For example, lets say Cbs losses Jack Johnson to LV.  Cbs may just go after Kulikov to fill that void. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:55 AM

Same thing.  They'll work out an agreement and then select him.  

 

Why do it before 7/1?  The answer is simple.  Once 7/1 hits everyone can talk to him and he could go anywhere.  With this 3 day period LV can get him locked up now and not worry that if they play the waiting game, he could get a better offer elsewhere and walk.  In fact, agents could use offers from LV to try to get better offers from the other 30 teams. For example, lets say Cbs losses Jack Johnson to LV.  Cbs may just go after Kulikov to fill that void. 

 

I understand the reason why they might take him on Wednesday, but it definitely is not the same thing.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:58 AM

I understand the reason why they might take him on Wednesday, but it definitely is not the same thing.

They won't select him without a deal in place.   

 

However, I think Lawton is wrong anyway.  I believe LV takes Carrier and that is the agreement Jbot has with them not to take Ullmark.


Edited by GASabresFan, 19 June 2017 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:26 AM

Same thing.  They'll work out an agreement and then select him.  

 

Why do it before 7/1?  The answer is simple.  Once 7/1 hits everyone can talk to him and he could go anywhere.  With this 3 day period LV can get him locked up now and not worry that if they play the waiting game, he could get a better offer elsewhere and walk.  In fact, agents could use offers from LV to try to get better offers from the other 30 teams. For example, lets say Cbs losses Jack Johnson to LV.  Cbs may just go after Kulikov to fill that void. 

 

Some guys definitely can honorable enough to stick to that pre-arranged deal after waiting it out.  We had it so recently with Anitpin.  It obviously depends on the person and the team will have to know who they're dealing with, but I'm willing to bet that there will be at least one case of this happening, they agree with a guy but then wait to sign him.  The sad part is that we'll never see any proof of that though.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

They won't select him without a deal in place.   

 

However, I think Lawton is wrong anyway.  I believe LV takes Carrier and that is the agreement Jbot has with them not to take Ullmark.

 

If that's the case, I'm okay with that.  I'd like to keep Carrier, but not at the expense of Ullmark, who has a high probability of being a future starting goalie.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:55 AM

He also thinks their building a mostly Russian team. lol

 

Well, when it comes out in 50 years that VGK was nothing more than a CIA front to lure Russian fans who happen to be targets onto US soil so they could be arrested by the FBI, you'll know why.  



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:04 AM

Well, when it comes out in 50 years that VGK was nothing more than a CIA front to lure Russian fans who happen to be targets onto US soil so they could be arrested by the FBI, you'll know why.  

 

Lots of missile silos out in the desert, though.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:12 AM

Lots of missile silos out in the desert, though.


Hey, that's my nickname for hookers too!

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:32 AM

Hey, that's my nickname for hookers too!

:lol:

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

Just looked at 9 mock drafts on NHL.com, ESPN and a couple of other sites.

So far: Kulikov (2), Bogo (2), Ullmark (2), Carrier (2), and Moulson.

Edited by GASabresFan, 19 June 2017 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:07 PM

Just looked at 9 mock drafts on NHL.com, ESPN and a couple of other sites.

So far: Kulikov (2), Bogo (2), Ullmark (2), Carrier (2), and Moulson.

I like 5 of 9 of those outcomes



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:08 PM

I like 5 of 9 of those outcomes

 

Same, but I'll bet it's not the same 5.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:16 PM

Same, but I'll bet it's not the same 5.

You would be sad to see Bogo go? 

 

("Bogogo" needs to be said out loud btw)



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:27 PM

You would be sad to see Bogo go? 

 

("Bogogo" needs to be said out loud btw)

 

 

Sounds like a George Michael song. 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:42 PM

You would be sad to see Bogo go? 

 

("Bogogo" needs to be said out loud btw)

 

I don't like his price tag, but I think his upside is a lot higher than Carrier's.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:07 PM

Sounds like a George Michael song. 

 



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:18 PM

Just looked at 9 mock drafts on NHL.com, ESPN and a couple of other sites.

So far: Kulikov (2), Bogo (2), Ullmark (2), Carrier (2), and Moulson.

 

This is fun...  a total crapshoot.

 

The Knights will have a meet and greet with fans and players (picked in the expansion draft) on Friday afternoon before the NHL entry draft party at T-Mobile arena. 

 

I'll be in Vegas early Wed, I'll let you know if I spot any familiar faces on the strip.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:52 PM

Sounds like a George Michael song.


Like Wake Me Up (Before Bogogo)

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 03:15 PM

I don't like his price tag, but I think his upside is a lot higher than Carrier's.

I feel like after 9 full seasons in the NHL we've seen Peak Bogogo already... and he looked sort of slow to me by end of last season. 

 

But he's fine on the 3rd pairing if I don't think about his cap hit and what else they could potentially do with it. 

 

Actually I am not really losing sleep over losing Carrier either. 


Edited by Sakman, 19 June 2017 - 03:16 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 06:55 PM

Lets be honest. We are losing 1 player; 1. No one they take will effect the ultimate trajectory of this team; even Ullmark.

We are keeping all our top players: Risto, McCabe, Baloo, Jack, Sam, ROR, Lehner, Okposo and Kane
We are keeping all our top prospects: Bailey, Baptiste, Nylander, Guhle, Fasching, Asplund, Pu, Borgen, Smith and Fitzgerald.
We are also keeping most of our marginal players: Antipin, Foligno, Larsson, and Girgensons

They are choosing from
1) Ullmark - a former 6th rd pick who likely won't be a starter for at least another 2-4 years
2) Carrier - a former 2nd rd pick who has only scored 28 goals in 168 pro games.
3) Bogo - a highly overpaid 3rd pairing D with a injury history
4) Moulson - an overpaid fading slow former scorer, who is now a PP specialist.
5) Gorges - an overpaid, slow faded D who is likely a 7th D in LV.
6) Kulikov - UFA who gave us 5 pts for 4 million.

If we lose Ullmark it actually might convince Peterson to sign with us, we still have Johansson and Nilsson can be re-signed to serve as Lehner's backup. Not exactly a tragedy.

Edited by GASabresFan, 19 June 2017 - 07:00 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:45 PM

Lets be honest. We are losing 1 player; 1. No one they take will effect the ultimate trajectory of this team; even Ullmark.

We are keeping all our top players: Risto, McCabe, Baloo, Jack, Sam, ROR, Lehner, Okposo and Kane
We are keeping all our top prospects: Bailey, Baptiste, Nylander, Guhle, Fasching, Asplund, Pu, Borgen, Smith and Fitzgerald.
We are also keeping most of our marginal players: Antipin, Foligno, Larsson, and Girgensons

They are choosing from
1) Ullmark - a former 6th rd pick who likely won't be a starter for at least another 2-4 years
2) Carrier - a former 2nd rd pick who has only scored 28 goals in 168 pro games.
3) Bogo - a highly overpaid 3rd pairing D with a injury history
4) Moulson - an overpaid fading slow former scorer, who is now a PP specialist.
5) Gorges - an overpaid, slow faded D who is likely a 7th D in LV.
6) Kulikov - UFA who gave us 5 pts for 4 million.

If we lose Ullmark it actually might convince Peterson to sign with us, we still have Johansson and Nilsson can be re-signed to serve as Lehner's backup. Not exactly a tragedy.

 

Y'know, if you've got a prediction, there's a neat little thread going on right around the corner...



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:48 PM

Y'know, if you've got a prediction, there's a neat little thread going on right around the corner...

no prediction necessary because it's much a do about nothing.  Whomever they choose we won't even notice the loss.

 

Isn't that thread kind of redundant since this is the Sabres Expansion speculation thread.


Edited by GASabresFan, 19 June 2017 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 10:55 PM

no prediction necessary because it's much a do about nothing.  Whomever they choose we won't even notice the loss.

 

Isn't that thread kind of redundant since this is the Sabres Expansion speculation thread.

 

well, we'll sho 'nuff notice it if they take  Moulson.

 

and you're right that it's  somewhat  redundant, but I think there is something  to the "wisdom of the masses " theory, so I think the poll adds a reasonably  interesting  element.



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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:10 PM

well, we'll sho 'nuff notice it if they take Moulson.

and you're right that it's somewhat redundant, but I think there is something to the "wisdom of the masses " theory, so I think the poll adds a reasonably interesting element.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:19 PM

well, we'll sho 'nuff notice it if they take Moulson.

and you're right that it's somewhat redundant, but I think there is something to the "wisdom of the masses " theory, so I think the poll adds a reasonably interesting element.

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