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#1 North Buffalo

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 07:28 PM

So is this an unintended tank, due to all the injuries... Gorges, now Fedun... Kulikov still out.. Nelson hurt...

Longterm does this help the Sabres... with younger guys getting lots of experience and potentially a higher draft pick... or are you just soured on another wasted season.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 08:15 PM

Fedun? Wait, what?

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 08:16 PM

Obliterate this thread. Ain't no tank happening.

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:50 PM

No, no. no ... a thousand times no.



#5 North Buffalo

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:16 AM

Defenseman Taylor Fedun is questionable for the game getting hit in the corner late in Saturday afternoon’s 2-1 loss to Boston.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 05:27 AM

we need to get the word tank out of our vocabulary......this team is trying to win...ridiculous injuries but they happen to every team



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 06:53 AM

might need a trade for some D help.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 08:39 AM

we need to get the word tank out of our vocabulary......this team is trying to win...ridiculous injuries but they happen to every team

 

Agree that they are in no way tanking, but really??  The number and nature of injuries to this team are ridiculous, but they do not happen to every team.

I have no theory as to why, but this team is snake bitten with injuries.

 

Because Buffalo? :wallbash:



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:19 AM

Agree that they are in no way tanking, but really??  The number and nature of injuries to this team are ridiculous, but they do not happen to every team.
I have no theory as to why, but this team is snake bitten with injuries.
 
Because Buffalo? :wallbash:


Exactly hence the unintended tank.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:21 AM

I would argue you can't unintentionally tank. It's a deliberate gutting of talent, not an accidental one.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:38 AM

I would argue you can't unintentionally tank. It's a deliberate gutting of talent, not an accidental one.

 

 

Yes, you can't.  Tanking in sports implies intent.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:43 AM

But as a result of all the injuries and probable mid season form the Sabres are abysmal record wise, doent it make sense to go ahead and follow thru intentionally the rest of the way.
Why would you want to push to 10 place even if injured players come back.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:57 AM

With the way the draft lottery is, no. We got our guys and we need to teach them to win. We miss the playoffs still might get 1st overall because of the dumb lottery. Gotta tell the guys to win.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:01 AM

Renaming this thread pending train wreck.

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With the way the draft lottery is, no. We got our guys and we need to teach them to win. We miss the playoffs still might get 1st overall because of the dumb lottery. Gotta tell the guys to win.

Top 3 O guys look pretty good.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:11 AM

I like that plan. We might be having a train wreck of season.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:26 AM

Agree that they are in no way tanking, but really??  The number and nature of injuries to this team are ridiculous, but they do not happen to every team.

I have no theory as to why, but this team is snake bitten with injuries.

 

Because Buffalo? :wallbash:

 

Where's D4rk when you need him



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:43 AM

might need a trade for some D help.

 

If the Sabres were having a good season and the injuries were long term, maybe, but I'm not sure you make panic moves to salvage a season that's looking less and less likely to go to the playoffs.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:45 AM

Where's D4rk when you need him


I've been called up to play defense tonight.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:03 AM

I've been called up to play defense tonight.

 

:flirt:



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:06 AM

With the way the draft lottery is, no. We got our guys and we need to teach them to win. We miss the playoffs still might get 1st overall because of the dumb lottery. Gotta tell the guys to win.

I think the guys are always being told to win and want to win (paging Mike Weber; paging GoDD). Do they hear a different message if GMTM makes certain tanky moves in late February if the Sabres are 12 points out of a playoff spot?



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:10 AM

If the Sabres are still struggling with injuries come March and are mired towards the bottom of the standings I'll have no issue whatsoever with a mini tank.  Right now it's too early.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:50 AM

If the Sabres are still struggling with injuries come March and are mired towards the bottom of the standings I'll have no issue whatsoever with a mini tank. Right now it's too early.

And who could we trade to qualify it as a mini-tank? Kane?
It's not tanking to sell off Kulikov, Franson and Gionta at the deadline.
That's just good asset management.

Semi-related: I fully expect Murray to call Gionta into his office a few weeks before the deadline, and ask him if he wants to play out the string here or be traded to a Cup contender. Then I expect Murray to do exactly what Gio wants.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:04 PM

And who could we trade to qualify it as a mini-tank? Kane?
It's not tanking to sell off Kulikov, Franson and Gionta at the deadline.
That's just good asset management.

Semi-related: I fully expect Murray to call Gionta into his office a few weeks before the deadline, and ask him if he wants to play out the string here or be traded to a Cup contender. Then I expect Murray to do exactly what Gio wants.

 

 

Yeah that's why I'd hesitate to even call it tanking since options would be limited as compared to a full season, well planned out tank.  But I wouldn't have an issue with letting injured guys sit out longer in favor of keeping AHLers up and the like.  I'm hoping that it doesn't come to this of course.



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:48 PM

I've been called up to play defense tonight.

 

 

:flirt:

 

I'm LOL'ing at the thought of someone skating onto the ice with the name "d4rk" embroidered on the uniform - and RJ actually saying "d4rk????? Who the @#$% is that????? "  And Razor replying  "Dunno - maybe Dan Bylsma sent in a goon, RJ"  lol


Edited by Jsixspd, 05 December 2016 - 12:49 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 01:20 PM

I'm LOL'ing at the thought of someone skating onto the ice with the name "d4rk" embroidered on the uniform - and RJ actually saying "d4rk????? Who the @#$% is that????? "  And Razor replying  "Dunno - maybe Dan Bylsma sent in a goon, RJ"  lol

Awesome! No that would be a train wreck all around.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 02:12 PM

If the Sabres are still struggling with injuries come March and are mired towards the bottom of the standings I'll have no issue whatsoever with a mini tank.  Right now it's too early.

 
Traditionally referred to as "being sellers at the deadline". Which happens every year.

 

I'm LOL'ing at the thought of someone skating onto the ice with the name "d4rk" embroidered on the uniform - and RJ actually saying "d4rk????? Who the @#$% is that????? "  And Razor replying  "Dunno - maybe Dan Bylsma sent in a goon, RJ"  lol


I wonder if we'd get the traditional "and d4rk's parents and long-time girlfriend Josie are on-hand for his first NHL game" camera shot.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 02:44 PM


Traditionally referred to as "being sellers at the deadline". Which happens every year.


My explanation beyond simply selling is there too.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 02:50 PM

I wonder if we'd get the traditional "and d4rk's parents and long-time girlfriend Josie are on-hand for his first NHL game" camera shot.

What number does Rip slap him with?



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 03:03 PM

The Sabres need to go 32-18-8 for the rest of the season to earn 95 points and have a chance at the playoffs. Gorges and Bogo are weeks from taking the ice. I also doubt GMTM wants to waste a year of Guhle's contract on a team that is unlikely to make the playoffs.

Another fact is that we are going to have a significant turnover in players again after this season. We are going to lose someone to expansion. Gionta, Grant, Franson, Kulikov, Fedun, and Nilsson are UFAs. Girgensons, Larsson, Lehner and Foligno are RFA's. Kane is on the trading block. That's nearly 12 players or 50% of the roster that might not be here next year. I believe that 7 of the guys listed won't be retained. Others, like Bogo or Ennis could also be moved.

So would having another "bad" year be worth it long-term? At think point I think it would. I am desperate for the Sabres to be a championship contender, but this current roster is very flawed. I think we only have 2 D of a championship team (Guhle could be the 3rd) and only have 6 of the needed forwards. With Nylander coming, I think we need another high end D and a pure scorer or two. With D like Hague and Liljegren near the top of this draft and pure scorers like Tolvenen and Tippett, we might be wise stink f\or one more year.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 03:05 PM

What number does Rip slap him with?

 

A



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 05:46 PM

The Sabres need to go 32-18-8 for the rest of the season to earn 95 points and have a chance at the playoffs. Gorges and Bogo are weeks from taking the ice. I also doubt GMTM wants to waste a year of Guhle's contract on a team that is unlikely to make the playoffs.
Another fact is that we are going to have a significant turnover in players again after this season. We are going to lose someone to expansion. Gionta, Grant, Franson, Kulikov, Fedun, and Nilsson are UFAs. Girgensons, Larsson, Lehner and Foligno are RFA's. Kane is on the trading block. That's nearly 12 players or 50% of the roster that might not be here next year. I believe that 7 of the guys listed won't be retained. Others, like Bogo or Ennis could also be moved.
So would having another "bad" year be worth it long-term? At think point I think it would. I am desperate for the Sabres to be a championship contender, but this current roster is very flawed. I think we only have 2 D of a championship team (Guhle could be the 3rd) and only have 6 of the needed forwards. With Nylander coming, I think we need another high end D and a pure scorer or two. With D like Hague and Liljegren near the top of this draft and pure scorers like Tolvenen and Tippett, we might be wise stink f\or one more year.


Exactly were I was going with this thread and tonights game may reinforce the above.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 05:49 PM

you want these guys to learn what it takes to win a hockey game. You need to help them this season as much as possible. 



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 05:57 PM

you want these guys to learn what it takes to win a hockey game. You need to help them this season as much as possible.

True but I am a realist... too many injuries... aint gonna happen consistently.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 06:03 PM

True but I am a realist... too many injuries... aint gonna happen consistently.

I am a realist too. I was a tank advocate back in 2013 when we made the historic run to 8th that pissed me off. We came within a hair of getting Darnelle Nurse because we didn't finish in the bottom 7. The point is, at some point you have to stop the hemorrhaging. Jack Eichel on this team makes it impossible to really tank. He isn't that guy. There is a mental side to it. I've been on teams that were loser teams, it is awful. Right now the mentality is that they have been hamstrung by injury but they are better. I would foster that as much as possible and try to finish in the playoffs or closer than you have in recent years. The draft lottery gives us an option of getting near the top anyways and also if GMTM and company are good at their jobs, they will get a talented player wherever we draft. 1 talented guy from this draft isn't going to be the tipping point. I just don't think this is the time to tank. 



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:49 PM

Train wreck continues

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 03:52 AM

Train wreck continues

Oh no! We got a loser point against one of the best teams in the league with 3 of our defenseman out! /sob /tank

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 11:07 AM

And who could we trade to qualify it as a mini-tank? Kane?
It's not tanking to sell off Kulikov, Franson and Gionta at the deadline.
That's just good asset management.

Semi-related: I fully expect Murray to call Gionta into his office a few weeks before the deadline, and ask him if he wants to play out the string here or be traded to a Cup contender. Then I expect Murray to do exactly what Gio wants.


If he keeps playing the way he has so far this season, I'd call trading Kane improving the team.

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 11:14 AM

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 11:37 AM

Aw I love that comic.

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Posted 06 December 2016 - 12:23 PM

I really think the Sabres have held their own pretty well considering all the injuries this season.

 

13 points separate the top from the bottom in the East.  The Sabres sit 12 points out of first.  That tells me that there is a very fine line between winning and losing in today's NHL.

 

Lets see what happens when the Sabres have a full roster.

 

And I'll say it ... I think Disco is a pretty darn good coach.







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