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Posted 19 March 2017 - 11:33 PM

What you call fire, I call being a windbag. 

Its only a windbag if you don't compete hard and work hard at getting better.  Lehner does appear to be trying to back up his mouth and his intensity is definitely there...  So if he was just spouting off I'd agree... don't think so imo. 



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:36 AM

I just can't wait for this season to be over. At least with the tank years I looked forward to the off season for the draft. This year, I just want the season to be over because I'm sick of being disappointed by following this team. It's honestly sucking all the joy out of this sport for me to watch this team.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:48 AM

I was shocked myself 30% of the voters want him to return.

Gorges can be waived and his contract buried in Rochester or be bought out for only a small two year cap hit. Either way we aren't stuck with him. I also can't understand why anyone would want either glacial skating D (Gorges or Franson) back, yet 30% of the voters the D thread want Gorges back (as noted above) and only 33% of the voters on same thread want Franson gone.

 

On further reflection, I could live with him as a third pairing guy.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:50 AM

the strength of coaching is to be able to recognize each player's individual strengths and play them to those areas. Also, by allowing players to play to those strengths and excel at whatever it is they can it allows the players to play with confidence and also, as we see with the leafs, Babs is getting a ton of mileage out of different players and has just about all of them playing over their heads (see Kadri). When as the last time ANY Sabres played over their head? I simply cannot remember even when Lindy was here. I heard the Oiler coach (who I have never liked ) going on last night about how wonderful McDavid is  and raving about him in general...when was the last time a coach raved about Eichel or any player here for that matter? The difference is day and night....also, I do think if Jack was never hurt this team would be up there with the Leafs battling for a playoff spot. we tend to forget that this team missed Jack for a big chuck of the first half and we also have had numerous other injuries that have obviously hurt this team. I think the combination of a new coach who brings a fresh and confidence-inspiring  outlook and maybe a few less injuries next year wil make in itself a huge difference   



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:03 AM

the strength of coaching is to be able to recognize each player's individual strengths and play them to those areas. Also, by allowing players to play to those strengths and excel at whatever it is they can it allows the players to play with confidence and also, as we see with the leafs, Babs is getting a ton of mileage out of different players and has just about all of them playing over their heads (see Kadri). When as the last time ANY Sabres played over their head? I simply cannot remember even when Lindy was here. I heard the Oiler coach (who I have never liked ) going on last night about how wonderful McDavid is and raving about him in general...when was the last time a coach raved about Eichel or any player here for that matter? The difference is day and night....also, I do think if Jack was never hurt this team would be up there with the Leafs battling for a playoff spot. we tend to forget that this team missed Jack for a big chuck of the first half and we also have had numerous other injuries that have obviously hurt this team. I think the combination of a new coach who brings a fresh and confidence-inspiring outlook and maybe a few less injuries next year wil make in itself a huge difference


Alex Mogilny when he scored 77 goals? Probably could have had 100 if he was better on breakaways...his only move was slipping it backhand through the 5 hole...

Edited by matter2003, 21 March 2017 - 07:04 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM

Can you show us 1 single post where in 2017 anyone has advocated for Gorges coming back?


They should bring Gorges back next year.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:35 AM

the strength of coaching is to be able to recognize each player's individual strengths and play them to those areas. Also, by allowing players to play to those strengths and excel at whatever it is they can it allows the players to play with confidence and also, as we see with the leafs, Babs is getting a ton of mileage out of different players and has just about all of them playing over their heads (see Kadri). When as the last time ANY Sabres played over their head? I simply cannot remember even when Lindy was here. I heard the Oiler coach (who I have never liked ) going on last night about how wonderful McDavid is  and raving about him in general...when was the last time a coach raved about Eichel or any player here for that matter? The difference is day and night....also, I do think if Jack was never hurt this team would be up there with the Leafs battling for a playoff spot. we tend to forget that this team missed Jack for a big chuck of the first half and we also have had numerous other injuries that have obviously hurt this team. I think the combination of a new coach who brings a fresh and confidence-inspiring  outlook and maybe a few less injuries next year wil make in itself a huge difference   

 

Marc Andre Gragnani played well above his pay-grade for an extended period. McGinn a couple years ago. Cy Hgsn had 44 points during the first tank year.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:02 AM

Marc Andre Gragnani played well above his pay-grade for an extended period. McGinn a couple years ago. Cy Hgsn had 44 points during the first tank year.

McGinn didn't play well above what he was capable of...the dude has been a 17-23 goal scorer most of his career.  Points sometimes are simply the result of more ice time...someone has to get them after all...if you pass the puck to someone who passes to someone who makes a play, you didn't really have much to do with it, but you get a secondary assist. And who the hell is Cy Hsgn?


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:23 AM

McGinn didn't play well above what he was capable of...the dude has been a 17-23 goal scorer most of his career. Points sometimes are simply the result of more ice time...someone has to get them after all...if you pass the puck to someone who passes to someone who makes a play, you didn't really have much to do with it, but you get a secondary assist. And who the hell is Cy Hsgn?


Cody Hodgson but he didn't have any O or D to speak of...

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:35 AM

Cody Hodgson but he didn't have any O or D to speak of...

 

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:02 AM

Cody Hodgson but he didn't have any O or D to speak of...


He definitely contributed greatly to the no D being played

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:04 AM

One could say Ennis player over his head and is now performing as expected except that I wonder if the coaching is holding him (and others) back...and really...Cody Hodgson??????????????


Edited by Sabre fan, 21 March 2017 - 11:05 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:50 PM

'But Bylsma won a Cup...'

 

Well, here's what he did every other year he coached Pittsburgh

 

101 points, 2nd round exit

 

106 points, 1st round exit

 

108 points, 1st round exit

 

72 points (lockout), ECF exit

 

109 points, 2nd round exit

 

 

Well, at least he's consistent.


Meanwhile, Sullivan should win the Adams trophy. Something Bylsma, miraculously, never managed to do

 

http://thehockeywrit...s-conversation/


Edited by WildCard, 21 March 2017 - 12:49 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:57 PM

the strength of coaching is to be able to recognize each player's individual strengths and play them to those areas. Also, by allowing players to play to those strengths and excel at whatever it is they can it allows the players to play with confidence and also, as we see with the leafs, Babs is getting a ton of mileage out of different players and has just about all of them playing over their heads (see Kadri). When as the last time ANY Sabres played over their head? I simply cannot remember even when Lindy was here. I heard the Oiler coach (who I have never liked ) going on last night about how wonderful McDavid is  and raving about him in general...when was the last time a coach raved about Eichel or any player here for that matter? The difference is day and night....also, I do think if Jack was never hurt this team would be up there with the Leafs battling for a playoff spot. we tend to forget that this team missed Jack for a big chuck of the first half and we also have had numerous other injuries that have obviously hurt this team. I think the combination of a new coach who brings a fresh and confidence-inspiring  outlook and maybe a few less injuries next year wil make in itself a huge difference   

 

Gerbe.. out of necessity.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:46 PM

'But Bylsma won a Cup...'

 

Well, here's what he did every other year he coached Pittsburgh

 

101 points, 2nd round exit

 

106 points, 1st round exit

 

108 points, 1st round exit

 

72 points (lockout), ECF exit

 

109 points, 2nd round exit

 

 

Well, at least he's consistent.


Meanwhile, Sullivan should win the Adams trophy. Something Bylsma, miraculously, never managed to do

 

http://thehockeywrit...s-conversation/

 

That argument never works with me in the abstract.  WHY were there early playoff exits, is the question.  Was it matchups (2010 Sabres-Bruins comes to mind)?  Was it because his teams hated him?  Was it because his system sux?



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:48 PM

That argument never works with me in the abstract.  WHY were there early playoff exits, is the question.  Was it matchups (2010 Sabres-Bruins comes to mind)?  Was it because his teams hated him?  Was it because his system sux?

 

Goaltending.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:50 PM

Goaltending.

 

I don't believe this for a second.  I also remember hearing, incessantly, how the Red Wings would never win a Cup with that hack Osgood in net.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:10 PM

That argument never works with me in the abstract.  WHY were there early playoff exits, is the question.  Was it matchups (2010 Sabres-Bruins comes to mind)?  Was it because his teams hated him?  Was it because his system sux?

Sure, I can write off 1/2 of those. But 4/6 years he never made it past the 2nd round. 

 

 

Lost in 7 to Montreal

 

Lost in 7 to Tampa

 

Lost in 6 to Philly

 

Swept by Boston

 

Lost in 7 to NYR

 

That is an odd, odd pattern to have. Wanna talk about mental weakness of a team? That should scream out at you


BTW, we have nearly 40 less goals than the Leafs. I'm begging for someone to explain that one outside of Babcock vs Byslma



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:19 PM

BTW, we have nearly 40 less goals than the Leafs. I'm begging for someone to explain that one outside of Babcock vs Byslma


Subtract the first 20 games of the season and what is the difference?
Haven't looked at the Leafs, but the Sabres have mostly been a top 10 offence since Jack game back.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:28 PM

Subtract the first 20 games of the season and what is the difference?
Haven't looked at the Leafs, but the Sabres have mostly been a top 10 offence since Jack game back.

Before

 

GF/60 => 1.93 (23rd)

 

GA/60 => 2.34

 

After

 

GF/60 => 2.10 (21st) 

 

GA/60 => 2.52

 

 

 

So, no difference really. That's not even getting into Corsi, scoring chances, or expected goals for / chances


Edited by WildCard, 21 March 2017 - 02:28 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:35 PM

Before

GF/60 => 1.93 (23rd)

GA/60 => 2.34

After

GF/60 => 2.10 (21st)

GA/60 => 2.52



So, no difference really. That's not even getting into Corsi, scoring chances, or expected goals for / chances


Yup. We're scoring more because our PP is deadly (and wouldn't surprise me if we're drawing more penalties with Jack back). But we're not winning much more because we're a ###### even strength team, and we're going to remain that way until there's a coaching change.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:39 PM

Yup. We're scoring more because our PP is deadly (and wouldn't surprise me if we're drawing more penalties with Jack back). But we're not winning much more because we're a ###### even strength team, and we're going to remain that way until there's a coaching change.

It's so nice out but later tonight I want to go back and dig up the Byslma Pens' teams stats and see if my suspicions are confirmed 


Spoiler alert

 

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Edited by WildCard, 21 March 2017 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:42 PM

Subtract the first 20 games of the season and what is the difference?
Haven't looked at the Leafs, but the Sabres have mostly been a top 10 offence since Jack game back.

 

To me, it wasn't so much Jack being injured, as much as it was Dan's super conservative system to not lose by much that made those games even worse.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:36 PM

To me, it wasn't so much Jack being injured, as much as it was Dan's super conservative system to not lose by much that made those games even worse.


That's exactly what I thought.

Surprised with those numbers Card. We must have really fallen.
We were 8th in offence when I looked a month ago.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:44 PM

ill be open to him returning next year if he agrees that he has to simplify his system. I believe this is what Tortorella did this past summer with his coaching style.

 

One thing Tortorella has changed for the Blue Jackets this season is doing away with morning skates. In an interview with NHL.com, Tortorella talked about allowing players to play and not over-coaching them.

"(Players) get on the ice and they can't think straight because there's so much information," Tortorella told Tim Campbell. "I think that's one of the biggest adjustments all coaches are making now, including me, is to let them play. Give them a foundation but let them play and get out of their way.

"But if it's the same mistake and it is constant and if it's something you can control through laziness and just not the will to play, that's part of my job to lean on them that way. It's ever-changing. We're just trying to go about our business."

 

if Torts can change, Bylsma can too.  I hate seeing a coaching carousel.

 

Though the exist interviews with Murray and the team leaders (Eichel, ROR, etc) could doom him.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:51 PM

I have 100%, absolutely 0 faith in Byslma changing. Not even one, tiny, teeny, little bit



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:56 PM

That's exactly what I thought.

Surprised with those numbers Card. We must have really fallen.
We were 8th in offence when I looked a month ago.


My guess is you were looking at total scoring, while WC's numbers are even strength.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:57 PM

One could say Ennis player over his head and is now performing as expected except that I wonder if the coaching is holding him (and others) back...and really...Cody Hodgson??????????????

 

No, Ennis is in Tim Connolly territory....a player who was on the cusp of becoming a star that got a very bad concussion and never was anything close to the same player again.  Ennis was a first round pick.  He was doing what he was supposed to do, if that....he has never had more than 49 points in a season...that constitures "over producing" as a first round pick these days??


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:19 PM

No, Ennis is in Tim Connolly territory....a player who was on the cusp of becoming a star that got a very bad concussion and never was anything close to the same player again. Ennis was a first round pick. He was doing what he was supposed to do, if that....he has never had more than 49 points in a season...that constitures "over producing" as a first round pick these days??

Good comparable

My guess is you were looking at total scoring, while WC's numbers are even strength.

Yup. 5v5 to be specific

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:17 PM

No, Ennis is in Tim Connolly territory....a player who was on the cusp of becoming a star that got a very bad concussion and never was anything close to the same player again. Ennis was a first round pick. He was doing what he was supposed to do, if that....he has never had more than 49 points in a season...that constitures "over producing" as a first round pick these days??


Eh, Ennis couldn't carry Tim Connolly's jock.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:36 AM

ill be open to him returning next year if he agrees that he has to simplify his system. I believe this is what Tortorella did this past summer with his coaching style.

 

One thing Tortorella has changed for the Blue Jackets this season is doing away with morning skates. In an interview with NHL.com, Tortorella talked about allowing players to play and not over-coaching them.

"(Players) get on the ice and they can't think straight because there's so much information," Tortorella told Tim Campbell. "I think that's one of the biggest adjustments all coaches are making now, including me, is to let them play. Give them a foundation but let them play and get out of their way.

"But if it's the same mistake and it is constant and if it's something you can control through laziness and just not the will to play, that's part of my job to lean on them that way. It's ever-changing. We're just trying to go about our business."

 

if Torts can change, Bylsma can too.  I hate seeing a coaching carousel.

 

Though the exist interviews with Murray and the team leaders (Eichel, ROR, etc) could doom him.

 

Wasn't this what he was supposed to be doing during his year long studying of the game and creating an innovative approach or whatever he called it? I have no faith in DB to do this because it feels like all the complaints about DB are the exact ones that Pittsburgh fans were complaining about for years. Eerily similar. I believe if I went on HF boards and dug up their complaints and substituted O'Reilly's name for Crosby, Eichel's name for Malkin, and Lehner's name for Fleury, and our defensemen's names in for their guys, most of us wouldn't be able to tell the difference.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:20 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:21 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

######

Luckily we're a catastrophically bad even strength team.

 



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:24 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

######

Makes sense.  Now we'll know when GMTM fixes the D if the problem is the roster or DD.  If GMTM gets a real No.3 D for this team and the team stays healthy it still fails, then DD will be gone by Turkey Day!

 

Wildcard FYI: DD won the Jack Adams 2010-11 when he lost Crosby and Malkin for much of the season and still the team earned 106 pts.


Edited by yse325, 22 March 2017 - 07:26 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

######

 

1) This sounds like speculation more than reporting information.

 

2) The end of season player interviews will save us. 



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:07 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

######

It won't be the money, it will be the reputation that Pegula will want to save. He had to have been stung by the publicity surrounding Ryan's firing.

 

1) This sounds like speculation more than reporting information.

 

2) The end of season player interviews will save us. 

Channeling GoDD here. McKenzie is very plugged into the Sabres' front office. If Bob says it, bank it. Sorry, kid.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:25 PM

 

Channeling GoDD here. McKenzie is very plugged into the Sabres' front office. If Bob says it, bank it. Sorry, kid.

 

This is why my original post ended in ######



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:35 PM

Makes sense.  Now we'll know when GMTM fixes the D if the problem is the roster or DD.  If GMTM gets a real No.3 D for this team and the team stays healthy it still fails, then DD will be gone by Turkey Day!

 

 

The problem with this scenario is that the pool of candidates will be significantly smaller and the Sabres will spend December-April trying to play catch up to the final playoff spots, while the Leafs are battling for the President's Trophy.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

Bob McKenzie was on NBCSN Tonight and said barring some catastrophe he expects Bylsma to be back next year. Brought up the Pegulas probably not wanting to pay both Ryan and Bylsma not to coach.

######


###### off. If this happens I'm immediately moving into the gmtm needs to go camp.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:07 PM

###### off. If this happens I'm immediately moving into the gmtm needs to go camp.

I'm immediately moving into the ###### Pegula camp