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#121 Crusader1969

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

He didn't flash any real speed but he looked smooth in the games I saw him play, joining the rush, never really getting beat by faster skaters in the defensive end.
His brother Nolan looks like he might be a real stud. Just turned 16 in November. Scored a goal, had a fight and an assist in the game I just saw. Also, scored the last time I caught them play. Kids good! yeah, you would know better than I. I think he'll be a good pro but i'm not advacating a top ten pick on him just yet.

Yes, his younger brother is a very exciting prospect. He's in the 2019 draft I think, which is crazy.

I thought Vegas was guaranteed a 4th slot, but is in the lottery for first 3.


Vegas gets the same odds as the 3rd last place team but is in lottery, pick isn't guaranteed 99% sure this is correct
Here is a name you will see rocketing up the draft rankings. Nick Suzuki from Owen Sound (OHL). Started th year last first or 2nd rounder - now seeing him as a late lottery pick. Smaller kid 5'11 180 lbs but has been on fire. With 1 game to go is currently 4th in OHL scoring.

Yes, his younger brother is a very exciting prospect. He's in the 2019 draft I think, which is crazy.

Vegas gets the same odds as the 3rd last place team but is in lottery, pick isn't guaranteed 99% sure this is correct



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:19 PM

I thought the 4th pick is guaranteed for vegas if they strike out on first 3 slots.



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:22 PM

Yes, his younger brother is a very exciting prospect. He's in the 2019 draft I think, which is crazy.

Vegas gets the same odds as the 3rd last place team but is in lottery, pick isn't guaranteed 99% sure this is correct
Here is a name you will see rocketing up the draft rankings. Nick Suzuki from Owen Sound (OHL). Started th year last first or 2nd rounder - now seeing him as a late lottery pick. Smaller kid 5'11 180 lbs but has been on fire. With 1 game to go is currently 4th in OHL scoring.

Nick Suzuki and Cody Glass both have an ungodly number of points in the CHL this year.  (Glass is at 94 in the WHL.)  I could see them finding their way into the first half of the 1st round.

 

Watching the Sabres all season, along with what Marner is doing for the Leafs, makes me wish we had a super-skilled speedster to put with Jack.  We need someone that can keep up with him and actually set him up for chances because his shot is lethal.  Reinhart is skilled but not super fast and Kane is fast but doesn't do a great job setting Jack up.  Maybe Suzuki is our Marner?



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 08:08 PM

I'll be completely floored if the Sabres don't draft a Dman with their top pick. Draft the right guy and he can play a major role in 18/19.

liljegren's season ended yesterday in a 6-5 loss in Swedish j20 play-offs. He did have 3 assists though.
Finished the series with 1G and 4A in 3 games

Cale Makar is playing in the AJHL playoffs. 1G 3A in 2 games.

Valimaki regular season with Tri-City comes to an end tonight. 19G and 42A, including 1G 1A halfway through tonight's game.

Edited by Crusader1969, 19 March 2017 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:23 PM

Nick Suzuki and Cody Glass both have an ungodly number of points in the CHL this year.  (Glass is at 94 in the WHL.)  I could see them finding their way into the first half of the 1st round.

 

Watching the Sabres all season, along with what Marner is doing for the Leafs, makes me wish we had a super-skilled speedster to put with Jack.  We need someone that can keep up with him and actually set him up for chances because his shot is lethal.  Reinhart is skilled but not super fast and Kane is fast but doesn't do a great job setting Jack up.  Maybe Suzuki is our Marner?

 

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they picked Nylander.

He can't dipsy-doodle like Marner or Patrick Kane, but he is fast, he can think the game at Jack's level and his hands are sublime.

 

I think we have to go D, even if it means sliding up or down.

Ideally, I'm trading that pick  in a package for a young defenceman whose team might have trouble fitting him into the pay scale because of his next contract or the guys around him.

Fowler, Vatanen, Justin Faulk (Pesce, Slavin and Hanifan all come due at the end of next year), Ryan Murray, Matt Dumba (not a fan personally, but he fits the profile) — there are guys like that out there.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:36 PM

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they picked Nylander.

He can't dipsy-doodle like Marner or Patrick Kane, but he is fast, he can think the game at Jack's level and his hands are sublime.

 

I think we have to go D, even if it means sliding up or down.

Ideally, I'm trading that pick  in a package for a young defenceman whose team might have trouble fitting him into the pay scale because of his next contract or the guys around him.

Fowler, Vatanen, Justin Faulk (Pesce, Slavin and Hanifan all come due at the end of next year), Ryan Murray, Matt Dumba (not a fan personally, but he fits the profile) — there are guys like that out there.

I think they picked Nylander partly as Kane insurance.  Didn't he get into trouble the day before the draft?  Regardless, based on his track record with the Jets and during the 2015-16 season, my guess is GMTM was hedging his bets that he'd have to trade Kane or let him walk when his contract ended. 

 

I went and looked at 8 draft rankings from sources like the ISS, McKeens, Espn from the last 4 weeks and came up with the following average rankings

The top 8 are as follows, but there are ranking gaps after no. 2, no.6, No 8 and No 16.

1) Patrick

2) Hischier

3) Tippett

4) Vilardi

5) Liljegren (only D in top 10)

6) Mittlestadt

7) Tolvanen

8) Necas

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9) Rasmussen

10) Glass

11) Petterson

12) Heiskanen (LD)

13) Maker (RD)

14) Kostin

15) Valimaki (LD)

16) Andersson

 

D Maker and Valimaki are the guys moving up in the more recent rankings, with Heiskanen slipping.  

 

From 17 to 30 there is a real split on who people like and in what order. Guys like Yamamoto has grades from 10 to 29, while Suzuki goes from 12 to 26 and Cal Foote varies from 13 to 28 but appears on all 8 rankings.  However the top 30 is surprisingly universal with every guy appearing on at least 6 of the rankings.  

 

Right now the Sabres have the 8th draft pick before the lottery.  If GMTM misses out on Liljegren, does he settle for another forward or trade down to get Valimaki or Maker (Valimaker?).


Edited by yse325, 20 March 2017 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:44 PM

By the time we get to June, Makar will be a consensus top 10 pick. Already seeing him on some rankings in top 10. Craig Button of TSN has him going 5th.

It's unfortunate that he is a late 98 or else he could have played in the under 18 tourney. Last season, that tourney solidified Fabbro and Jost as 1st rounders. They also played in junior A in their draft year.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:38 PM

Makar is NCAA bound correct?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:57 AM

Yes, Makar didn't go to the WHL to keep his NCAA eligibility. He is committed to UMass.

 

He played last night in his teams 9-1 playoff victory and had a goal and 2 assists. I`ve linked the highlights. You see his explosive first step at the :33 minute mark, his one time slap shot at 3:04 but you must watch his goal at 5:10.

 

http://www.brooksban....html?nID=11135



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:55 PM

By the time we get to June, Makar will be a consensus top 10 pick. Already seeing him on some rankings in top 10. Craig Button of TSN has him going 5th.
It's unfortunate that he is a late 98 or else he could have played in the under 18 tourney. Last season, that tourney solidified Fabbro and Jost as 1st rounders. They also played in junior A in their draft year.


I'll be thrilled if we draft Maker or Valimaki regardless if the make the top 10 or not. I like the idea of Risto being a positive influence on Valimaki and we end up with a dominating L R Finish pair.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:16 PM

New Craig Button draft rankings

http://www.tsn.ca/cr...schier-1.702428

maker now #1 dmen on his list

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:49 PM

Valimaki just sounds like a successful name

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 12:07 AM

New Craig Button draft rankings

http://www.tsn.ca/cr...schier-1.702428

maker now #1 dmen on his list

I tend to discount Button.  Each year around this time I start looking at the rankings and follow what various sites and services say and each year Button list isn't close to the other services, MacKenzie or how the draft actually went.    Here is an example of why I discount Button; 8 guys he had in his top 30 right before the draft didn't come close to the actual first.  Some, like Bitten, Dineen and Abramov, did go until the 3rd round.   Obviously GM's list are subjective, but if he is giving 1st rd grades to guys every NHL GM thinks are 3rd round players you kind of have to question his list creation.

 

That said I like maker and agree he'll be in the top 10 or close by season's end, but I don't think he'll pass Liljegren as the No. 1 D.  I also like Valimaki better as well. 


Edited by yse325, 22 March 2017 - 12:08 AM.


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 08:05 AM

The Wingnutt ranking for late March        
  ## Player B-date HT WT Pos Sh Team League
  1 Patrick, Nolan 09/19/98 6'3" 198 C/RW R Brandon Wheat Kings WHL
  2 Hischier, Nico 01/04/99 6'0" 174 C L Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL
  3 Liljegren, Timothy 04/30/99 6'0" 198 D R Rögle Bk SHL
  4 Mittlestadt, Casey 11/22/98 6'1" 201 C/LW L Green Bay Gamblers USHL
  5 Vilardi, Gabriel 08/16/99 6'2" 192 C R Windsor Spitfires OHL
  6 Tippett, Owen 02/16/99 6'2" 203 RW R Mississauga Steelheads OHL
  7 Tolvanen, Eeli 04/22/99 5'10" 179 LW L Sioux City Musketeers USHL
  8 Necas, Martin 01/15/99 6'0" 168 C R Hc Kometa Brno Czech
  9 Rasmussen, Michael 04/17/99 6'5" 203 C L Tri-City Americans WHL
  10 Kostin, Klim 05/05/99 6'3" 196 RW L Dynamo Moskva KHL
  11 Pettersson, Elias 11/12/98 6'2" 161 C/LW L Timrå Ik Allsvenskan
  12 Heiskanen, Miro 07/18/99 6'0" 174 D L Hifk Liiga
  13 Valimaki, Juusso 10/06/98 6'2" 201 D L Tri-City Americans WHL
  14 Andersson, Lias 10/13/98 5'11" 198 C/LW L Hv71 SHL
  15 Foote, Callan 12/13/98 6'4" 209 D R Kelowna Rockets WHL
  16 Vesalainen, Kristian 06/01/99 6'4" 207 LW/RW L Frölunda Hc SHL
  17 Comtois, Maxime 01/08/99 6'2" 201 LW L Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL
  18 Poehling, Ryan 01/03/99 6'3" 185 C L St. Cloud State Univ. NCAA
  19 Hague, Nicholas 12/05/98 6'6" 214 D L Mississauga Steelheads OHL
  20 Popugayev, Nikita A. 11/20/98 6'6" 203 RW R Moose Jaw Warriors WHL
  21 Bowers, Shane 07/30/99 6'0" 170 C L Waterloo Black Hawks USHL
  22 Glass, Cody 04/01/99 6'2" 170 C R Portland Winterhawks WHL
  23 Suzuki, Nicholas 08/10/99 5'11" 183 C R Owen Sound Attack OHL
  24 Vaakanainen, Urho 01/01/99 6'1" 187 D L Jyp Liiga
  25 Yamamoto, Kailer 09/29/98 5'8" 159 C/LW R Spokane Chiefs WHL
  26 Makar, Cale 10/30/98 5'10" 176 D R Brooks Bandits AJHL
  27 Strome, Matthew 01/06/99 6'3" 201 LW L Hamilton Bulldogs OHL
  28 Brannstrom, Erik 09/02/99 5'10" 172 D L Hv71 J20 SuperElit
  29 Ratcliffe, Isaac 02/15/99 6'5" 194 LW L Guelph Storm OHL
  30 Davidsson, Marcus 11/18/98 6'0" 192 C/W L Djurgårdens If SHL
  31 Lodnia, Ivan 08/31/99 5'10" 181 RW R Erie Otters OHL
 

 



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Posted 25 March 2017 - 08:21 AM

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why they picked Nylander.


Think it had more to do w/ Nylander actually falling to the Sabres. Many did not think he would still be on the board.