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#41 LGR4GM

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Posted 28 October 2016 - 11:05 AM

We should always have a draft thread because it is fun to look at the players coming up. 

 

I don't agree - sure there isn't a sure fire superstar but there are a lot of high end prospects. Assuming Jack is out for 20 - 25 games I'd think the Sabres will end up picking in around 7th or 8th.

It's really early to pin-point the exact player but I really like Owen Tippett from Mississauga. I've seen him ranked anywhere from 5 th to 25th but he's really stood out the few times I've seen him play. In 12 games he has 12 goals and is a speedster. - I've read comparisons to Phil Kessel but I believe Owen is much bigger being listed at 6'2. 204lbs

I too like Tippett. Big RW with speed and loves to shoot. 12games, 12goals, 5a, 17pts thus far. 



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Posted 31 October 2016 - 10:39 AM

Owen Tippett goal from yesterday at 1:30 second point in the high-lite package.

 

 http://ontariohockey...16-miss-2-osh-3

 

I think he is the Marner / Dubios prospect who starts the year way down the ranking list but ends up in top 5 so (hopefully) out of the Sabres reach.



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Posted 03 November 2016 - 10:03 AM

ISS top 31 November.

 

https://www.isshocke...ovember-2016-1/

 

 

Owen Tippett already in the top 5 on the ISS list.

 

A little further down the list another prospect that interests me is Eeli Tolvanen Ranked around 8th in most publications.  He is a Boston College commit with speed and skill.  Has already won the USHL player of the week award twice.

 

http://www.elitepros...p?player=249730

 

 

Im sure most Sabres fans (including me) would like to see them draft out of the top 10.

 

a names to watch is Kailer Yamamoto - small but highly skilled forward and Nico Hishier - Swiss forward playing with Halifax in the Q. Otherwise I don't really see anything too exciting out of the top 10 at this moment (off the ISS list) at the foward position.

 

On Defence there are two prospects that I think are may be of interest.

 

1) Callan Foote RHD from Kelowna (the D factory) son of Adam Foote - 6'4 and mobile Dman who plays a physical game

2) Nicolas Hague LHD - Mix of size, skill and skating and is a shut down defender playing for Mississauga. Strong desire to carry the puck up the ice.

 

There are a few European D in that area that I am not familiar with at all at this time.

 

Timothy Liljegren is usually ranked 2nd overall but we've often seen the top Dman in October drop into the spring (Hanifan, Chyrchrun and to a greater extent Kylington). So far he has only played 2 games due to injury, so maybe his stock drops if he doesn't play much.


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 03:56 PM

Im sure there will be people upset with the timing of me posting this but its for information only. The Sabres will have a 1st rounder this spring so may as well know who is out there.

 

Im still sticking with my prediction that they draft between 10 and 14. Though if the injuries continue to pile up.....

 

https://www.mckeensh...nov-2016-swiss/

 

I believe that McKeens had Laine as the #1 pick last season, so I definitely have a lot of respect for them.



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Posted 18 November 2016 - 04:18 PM

Im sure there will be people upset with the timing of me posting this but its for information only. The Sabres will have a 1st rounder this spring so may as well know who is out there.

Im still sticking with my prediction that they draft between 10 and 14. Though if the injuries continue to pile up.....

https://www.mckeensh...nov-2016-swiss/

I believe that McKeens had Laine as the #1 pick last season, so I definitely have a lot of respect for them.


I really like that guy they have at #1. I have watched him a few times this season.

He will be a difference maker in the NHL.

Paging shrader to the 2017 draft thread.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 04:29 PM

Keep us up to date on Hischier, he is ranked 1 here but usually falls out of the top 5.  Specifically his skating, it seems he has an all round game but does his speed stand out?

 

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 04:46 PM

Keep us up to date on Hischier, he is ranked 1 here but usually falls out of the top 5. Specifically his skating, it seems he has an all round game but does his speed stand out?

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He seems fast to me.

I don't pay any attention to scouting reports. I will report what my eyes tell me.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 06:37 PM

He seems fast to me.

I don't pay any attention to scouting reports. I will report what my eyes tell me.

To be safe...how many fingers do I have up?  Just want to calibrate the meter.  :flirt:



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Posted 19 November 2016 - 12:18 PM

To be safe...how many fingers do I have up?  Just want to calibrate the meter.  :flirt:

 

Umm ... 1.  Yes. You are telling me that I am number 1.



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Posted 24 November 2016 - 11:43 AM

Latest stories on upcoming draft:

 

 http://thehockeywrit...epers-november/

 

https://www.nhl.com/...ing/c-284015448

 

http://whl.ca/articl...-2017-nhl-draft

 

and in interesting article and analysis though dated from USA Today and Redline?? http://www.usatoday....wards/92829180/



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Posted 28 November 2016 - 11:15 PM

The most in depth analysis of the OHL crop of draft eligibles.

http://ohlprospects....l-for-2017.html

To be hon st, not a banner year for he OHL. Tippett is my guy but I believe he will be gone before Sabres draft barring they win a lottery spot.

Hague could be an interesting option if the Sabres are picking around 10. (My prediction).
I see a lot of Strome and Entwistle (bulldogs season tickets) and would be surprised if they go higher than 20 overall. Strome certainly can score but I still worry about his skating. I will say much better than last year but still isn't a strength. Though the analysts quoted seem to be more comfortable with it than me.

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 06:37 AM

Oh please can the Sabres draft this guy: http://www.fanragspo...rall-pick-town/

 

http://www.usatoday....urope/94795616/


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Posted 07 December 2016 - 09:17 AM

I have a soft spot for defenders from Finland so ... 

Juuso Valimaki, 6'2" 201lbs. He currently has 32 points in 30WHL games this season. Ranked anywhere from 15-27, his stock is rising. If we miss the playoffs and don't win a lottery spot, this guy would be near the top of my list. 

http://editorinleaf....juuso-valimaki/

 

Also he is #6 and I feel like we will need a new #6 for this team. 

 


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Posted 09 December 2016 - 03:02 PM

Future Considerations Top 100

http://futureconside...a/top-rankings/



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Posted 20 December 2016 - 03:40 PM

Draft Eligibles at the WJC (5 of them anyways)

 

http://news.national...ckey-tournament

 

Välimäki was invited to the Finnish camp and as far as I know he will be playing for them.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:22 PM

latest news on draft:

ISS rankings: http://sports.yahoo....-195448100.html

http://www.prweb.com...web13955342.htm

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 08:24 AM

Interesting article out of Toronto on the Defenders coming out of this draft: http://editorinleaf....efenders-draft/



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Posted 14 January 2017 - 10:14 AM

Western Hockey Leagye rankings are out: http://whl.ca/articl...ankings-january
Article on D prospect Nicolas Hague: https://www.nhl.com/...gue/c-285590886

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Posted 14 January 2017 - 10:45 AM

Nolan Patrick with 2G 2A in his first game back from injury. Maybe this is the year we get some lottery luck.

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Posted 15 January 2017 - 02:45 AM

Unless the Sabres pick in that top 3 or 4 picks, the player that i keep eyeing is Nic Hague. He's a big 6'6 dmen, plays in the OHL, is tough and physical in his own end but also likes to join the rush and play the PP. Scouts consider him a stay at home d-men but he is above average skater for his size and could provide more offense then your typical 6'6 dmen. Could be a Colton Parayko type at the NHL level.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 08:20 AM

Certainly wouldn't be drafting for need, but in the (admittedly limited) games that I saw Nico Hischier play in at the WJC, he was a dominant player.  He dictated play and drove hard to the net.  Was the highest scoring draft-eligible player at the tournament.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:14 PM

HISCHIER!!

 

He is the 2017 draft's ...

 

FUCALE!!

 

Oh, yeah!!  I am beating that drum ...  :flirt:



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 12:19 PM

Certainly wouldn't be drafting for need, but in the (admittedly limited) games that I saw Nico Hischier play in at the WJC, he was a dominant player.  He dictated play and drove hard to the net.  Was the highest scoring draft-eligible player at the tournament.

 

 

HISCHIER!!

 

He is the 2017 draft's ...

 

FUCALE!!

 

Oh, yeah!!  I am beating that drum ...  :flirt:

The fact that this is the conversation on January 15, 2017, is reason enough to fire Bylsma and Murray.

 

Also, FWIW, if we're in a position to draft Hischier, I hope we take it.  We're about the least dynamic team in the world right now.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 07:43 PM

They say a team reflects its coach. Maybe the Sabres also reflect their brain trust, which is a line of Terry Pegula at center, Tim Murray on the right and Dan Bylsma on the left. As Trump once leaned into a mic and said: Low Energy.



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Posted 17 January 2017 - 12:16 PM

They say a team reflects its coach. Maybe the Sabres also reflect their brain trust, which is a line of Terry Pegula at center, Tim Murray on the right and Dan Bylsma on the left. As Trump once leaned into a mic and said: Low Energy.

 

Is Russ Brandon in net or is he over charging for nachos, beer, and hot dogs at one of the snack bars? Gouging drivers for parking? No, I bet he's one of the ushers that busts people for moving up a few rows even though the section is mostly vacant. He's definitely THAT guy.


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Posted 17 January 2017 - 11:27 PM

I think the draft page can happen no matter where the Sabres are projected to draft but I would agree it's a sad state if we are targeting a top 5 guy like Hischier.

Hischier had another big game tonight 13 shots on net and a goal and 2 assists

If you are looking at dmen the 3 who stand out to me because of their offensive capabilities are Liljegrin who is starting to drop out of the top 5 in draft rankings, VälimäkI (who has already been discussed here) and Cale Makar who plays in the AJHL. MAkar is a cdn kid going the same route as Fabbro did last season. He will play in the NCAA next year. In sept he was thought of being a 2nd rounder but has skyrocketed and now has the potential to be a top 10 pick and has been compared to Karlsson at the same age.
Hockey prospect.com January ranking:

https://www.hockeypr...spects-january/

my top guys are Hischier - who looked amazing at the WJC and plays both RW and C.

Owen Tippett - elite goal scorer for Mississauga

Eeli Tolvanen who is another skilled sniper

And the 3 dmen mentioned above.

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 11:55 PM

I'm a pretty new Sabres fan. I've lived in Texas my whole life but for the past few months I've really been getting into Sabres hockey. From everything I've read and researched, the guys I would want are Hischier, Tippett or Makar. Seems that this team really needs some help on defense. I've got a few questions though as a new hockey fan.

1. What's the average success rate on top 10 picks? Is it closer to the MLB draft where the top 10 can be a complete crap-shoot or to the NFL where a decent amount of top 10 picks wind up making some kind of relatively useful production during their career?

2. How does this draft class (specifically the top 10) compare to the past couple years? Are any of these guys Eichel, Reinhart, Matthews or Marner caliber?

3. How common is it for a guy to be drafted top 10 and play significant time in the NHL the very next season?

4. What leagues (OHL, WHL, etc.) are the most respected and best for producing great future players?

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:09 AM

1. What's the average success rate on top 10 picks? Is it closer to the MLB draft where the top 10 can be a complete crap-shoot or to the NFL where a decent amount of top 10 picks wind up making some kind of relatively useful production during their career?

2. How does this draft class (specifically the top 10) compare to the past couple years? Are any of these guys Eichel, Reinhart, Matthews or Marner caliber?

3. How common is it for a guy to be drafted top 10 and play significant time in the NHL the very next season?

4. What leagues (OHL, WHL, etc.) are the most respected and best for producing great future players?

 

1. Appearing in the NHL atleast once is like 100%. Between 1995 and 2005, 78% of the top 10 picks appeared in minimum of 100 games.

 

2. The draft is considered weak. The top 2 picks, Nico and Nolan Patrick (related to former Sabre James Patrick) could be stars. Some others have risen and what not but draft drops off again around 5-6 and then takes another big drop around 12.

 

3. I think like 1-3 guys each year stay up. Last years draft, which was considered a good draft, had 4 players from top-10 on opening night rosters.

 

4. I think OHL produces the best talent. Not sure if thats statistically accurate, but in the last few years they've killed it. But they are all good in my opinion, including NCAA.


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:07 AM

I believe that Patrick-Hischier is going to look to some degree like Strome-Marner a few years down the road. If we wind up with a choice I want Nico. I have no real evidence, just a feeling about Nolan is all. My hopes for the Sabres: Lose enough to get a new, possession-oriented coach next season, get enough lottery luck to draft 2nd or 3rd so we don't have to go against the grain at pick 1, take Nico, trade Nylander and some stuff for a good puck-moving defenseman, do our expansion draft thing, and make moves after everything opens back up and Vegas has their roster.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:17 AM

Where's my drum?

 

Oh, here it is ...

 

HISCHIER!!



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:19 AM

Where's my drum?

 

Oh, here it is ...

 

HISCHIER!!

Who was a better juniors player between Hischier and Ehlers? And where are they relative to Drouin?



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:38 AM

NHL Midterm Rankings

Nolan and Nico are 1&2

https://nhl.bamconte...y-file/file.pdf

International Rankings

https://nhl.bamconte...y-file/file.pdf

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:54 AM

Draft class overall is weak, I read somewhere that it's similar to 2012 talent -- a good draft to trade 1st round picks -- might see more of those move at trade deadline vs. years past



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 12:39 PM

so then why trade one of last years no 1 when it was a deep class for a lehner... bad mistepp

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:34 PM

Who was a better juniors player between Hischier and Ehlers? And where are they relative to Drouin?

 

Heischer and Ehlers are pretty much the same ... outstanding.

 

Both dominated the Q and are / were special to watch here in Halifax, although I have not been to many games this year, so I did see Ehlers more often.

 

Drouin was even better than the other two, but only because he plays a different game ... he skated circles (literally) around everybody and his stick handling was fantastic and that shot.  He is really coming around in Tampa this season.

 

I would trade anyone on the Sabres roster, or in the system, except Eich, for Drouin ... Risto ... yes ... Samson ... yes.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 03:45 PM

Heischer and Ehlers are pretty much the same ... outstanding.

 

Both dominated the Q and are / were special to watch here in Halifax, although I have not been to many games this year, so I did see Ehlers more often.

 

Drouin was even better than the other two, but only because he plays a different game ... he skated circles (literally) around everybody and his stick handling was fantastic and that shot.  He is really coming around in Tampa this season.

 

I would trade anyone on the Sabres roster, or in the system, except Eich, for Drouin ... Risto ... yes ... Samson ... yes.

I don't think I'd go that far, but he'd be a fantastic piece for sure. Though I might like Ehlers even more than Drouin right now. I'm glad to hear that Nico is at their level, this draft could use as many dynamic players as possible. 



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 10:55 PM

NHL Midterm Rankings
Nolan and Nico are 1&2
https://nhl.bamconte...y-file/file.pdf
International Rankings
https://nhl.bamconte...y-file/file.pdf


I hate that they split the NA skaters from the ones playing in Europe.

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:08 PM

Draft class overall is weak, I read somewhere that it's similar to 2012 talent -- a good draft to trade 1st round picks -- might see more of those move at trade deadline vs. years past

Draft class overall is weak, I read somewhere that it's similar to 2012 talent -- a good draft to trade 1st round picks -- might see more of those move at trade deadline vs. years past


Maybe so, but have a look at that draft and there are some excellent players from it - especially dmen

MURRAY, REILLY, Lindholm, Dumba and Trouba all went in the top 10 Where would Sabres be if you added 1 of them to roster?

I won't assume Sabres win a lottery position so will (likely) drafting 4 to 10. I believe the Sabres will end up with a huge piece of the puzzle for the rebuild.

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 07:57 AM

NHL version: https://www.nhl.com/...4?tid=277729156

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 08:47 AM

nhllotterysimulator.com allows you to simulate the draft lottery outcome as many times as you would like. Took a little time and simulated it 100 times. As of right now, the Sabres would have the 4th highest lottery odds behind the Avalanche, Coyotes and the Jets. Out of 100 simulations, the Sabres won the 1st pick 14 times (2nd to Avalanche's 26 times). They won the 2nd pick 8 times (tied for 5th most with the Islanders). And they won the 3rd pick 9 times (tied with the Stars, Red Wings and Coyotes for 4th most). Overall, it played out like the odds would suggest. The Sabres won a top 3 pick the 4th most of any team with 31/100. It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out and if we get some lottery luck when/if that time comes.