You're trolling or deliberately blind.
There are countless examples of goalies with Lehner's pedigree going for mid- to late- firsts, high seconds, or multiple seconds.
The fact the Leafs vastly overrated Andrew Raycroft is irrelevant to the fact that they drafted Rask in the bottom third of the first round.
Again, you cherry pick one instance and ignore the body of evidence.
The Oilers were prepared to give Ottawa the 33rd pick. We beat it. Going rate.
Bet the Oilers wish we hadn't, considering they ended up swapping that pick, plus number 16 for Griffin Reinhart.
Bad trade, but the going rate for a projected (mistakenly) first pairing defenceman.
The difference in value between the 33rd pick and 21st is night and day. I've showed you this chart before, http://www.broadstre...alue-trading-up, but it illustrates the difference very well. To move up in a draft from 33 to 21 would take at least the 40th pick. (So 33 + 40 to get 21). They are not even close to the same value. Where Rask was drafted by Toronto is meaningless, he doesn't play for them. To compare apples to apples, we need to look at what other teams paid for their up and coming goalies. Boston paid virtually nothing for Rask. In 2015 we paid with the 21st overall pick in a very deep draft while Talbot when to Edm for picks 57, 79 and 184, and Jones went to SJ for the 29th pick in 2016 and a unsigned 5th rd drafted college player.
In addition Lehner had the worst gga and save % in the NHL of the 3 players and was injured when acquired.
Using the above referenced chart lets compare the 3 trades on points
1) Lehner for the 21st picks = 21.5 pts
2) Talbot for 57, 79 and 184 = 4 + 1.8 + .12 = 5.92 pts (or about the 49th pick in the draft - a mid 2nd rd pick)
3) All Star Martin Jones for the 29th pick (2016) and a former 133rd pick (.27 pts) = 15.27 pts (but should discount for the added year). However, regardless of the year, to move up from 29 to 21 would cost around the 46th pick in the draft (a mid 2nd rd pick)
Just crunching the numbers and comparing deals done the same time for similar players we overpaid and compared to Talbot we really overpaid and it's not even close. Lehner was worth at the most the 33rd pick Edm offered.
Also to illustrate how accurate this chart is lets look at the Asplund aspect of the Pysyk trade.
We received the 33rd pick (12.5pts) for the 38th (9.9 pts) and 89th picks (1.2 pts). 9.9 + 1.2 = 11.1 (or around the 35th pick on the chart). Pretty accurate I'd say.
Edited by yse325, 17 March 2017 - 02:13 PM.