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Posted 17 July 2015 - 05:55 PM

I've been enjoying season 2 so far.  I'm expecting episode 5 to be very significant, as the show seems to be following the arc timing of season 1 pretty closely so far.

 

Season 1 is one of the best seasons of television of all time.



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Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:26 PM

Just got done with Season 1 the other day, Harrelson and McConaughey are amazing in that show. I just started season 2, got through only one episode so far. It's good, and I love Colin Farrel, so I have high hopes for it



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Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:40 PM

I've only seen the epsiodes of season 2 once each so far, so I don't really have much to say about them yet.  Season two isn't as good as 1 so far, but it's still excellent.

 

I'm watching through season 1 again.  This time with my mom.  I'm going to skip Rust's description of cartel torture, but she should be able to handle the rest.

 

I've seen season 1 episode 5 probably 10+ times.


Rustin Cohle is an amazing character.

 



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Posted 18 July 2015 - 12:30 AM

For a contra opinion: I was pretty lukewarm about season 1 and I'm finding season 2 similarly meh. I think it's a bit better than Boardwalk Empire, which is the faintest of praise, but much closer to that show than to the high-end HBO shows.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:52 AM

Just got done with Season 1 the other day, Harrelson and McConaughey are amazing in that show. I just started season 2, got through only one episode so far. It's good, and I love Colin Farrel, so I have high hopes for it

 

Harrelson is an underated actor, always love seeing him a movie or series.   When im done with graceland i'll catch up on this one. :D


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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:40 AM

Season one was fantastic...........One of the best.........Season two I am trying my hardest to get into it.



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 04:22 PM

Season one was fantastic...........One of the best.........Season two I am trying my hardest to get into it.

I'm glad at least they're trying something different for season two.  Failing because they're trying is more admirable than just sucking.  Season two feels really strangely paced.  It really isn't until episode 5 that we're even sure which plot is the main plot.

 

I'm still really having fun.  And the intro song belongs in the can't get it out of my head thread.

 



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 05:15 PM

Huge fan of the first season but I'm having a hard time staying interested in season 2.



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 05:30 PM

I feel like, if nothing else, Season 2 is doing a better job with the family parts. They're much more woven into the story.



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:00 PM

Graceland is turning into Miami vice meets Baywatch from season 2 a bit to much.



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Posted 21 July 2015 - 09:35 PM

I'm glad at least they're trying something different for season two.  Failing because they're trying is more admirable than just sucking.  Season two feels really strangely paced.  It really isn't until episode 5 that we're even sure which plot is the main plot.

 

I'm still really having fun.  And the intro song belongs in the can't get it out of my head thread.

 

 

Just watched episode 4 and 5 today.....gotta say season 2 is growing on me.



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 09:34 AM

I'm enjoying this season, but I think if it wasn't for the internet I would have given up about 2 episodes in. So many guys in brown suits, they're impossible to keep track of.

 

Then again, this generation of TV is somewhat MEANT to be broken down online. If people are going to look for every minute detail, you have to provide those details. We expect a lot from shows these days.



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 11:24 AM

I'm enjoying this season, but I think if it wasn't for the internet I would have given up about 2 episodes in. So many guys in brown suits, they're impossible to keep track of.

 

Then again, this generation of TV is somewhat MEANT to be broken down online. If people are going to look for every minute detail, you have to provide those details. We expect a lot from shows these days.

Yeah... but it's not just small details that are being lost in the noise of this complicated season.  I consider myself to be a pretty astute show watcher, and after having seen most of season 2 at least twice it's just too jumbled.  You can hide details, but the lack of focus or unity in the story line is causing this season to be significantly less engaging than season 1 was.

 

Hell, every time season 1 showed an overhead shot of the swamps I would get chills.  The beginning of season 2 showed all the posts with pink ribbon on them and that gave me chills at first.  I really like the story implications of what the pink ribbons might mean, and they've expanded on this particular piece of visual story telling... but not enough, not in any central way.

 

I'm liking the season, but it's not consuming me.


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 12:37 PM

Yeah... but it's not just small details that are being lost in the noise of this complicated season.  I consider myself to be a pretty astute show watcher, and after having seen most of season 2 at least twice it's just too jumbled.  You can hide details, but the lack of focus or unity in the story line is causing this season to be significantly less engaging than season 1 was.

 

Hell, every time season 1 showed an overhead shot of the swamps I would get chills.  The beginning of season 2 showed all the posts with pink ribbon on them and that gave me chills at first.  I really like the story implications of what the pink ribbons might mean, and they've expanded on this particular piece of visual story telling... but not enough, not in any central way.

 

I'm liking the season, but it's not consuming me.

 

I agree with most of that. People who know this stuff better than I do are saying its because Pizzalato(sp?) canned his director, so while the vision is still there the direction has been lost some. Makes some sense.



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Posted 28 July 2015 - 05:44 PM

Even after withholding my expectations for season 2, I feel like the directors/writers have let down this cast. I just can't feel a connection to these characters besides Ray. Everyone talks with the same tone and everything is done in a depressed manner. There are no ups and downs in emotion and tone, only downs. Season 1 I was holding on to every single word being spoken and the story-line played out much more smoothly and organically. I will finish this season of course because I need to see if/when all these stories tie in together, but this season hasn't been captivating enough overall. Not trying to take over the topic but has anyone watched Ballers or The Brink? 



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 08:33 AM

Even after withholding my expectations for season 2, I feel like the directors/writers have let down this cast. I just can't feel a connection to these characters besides Ray. Everyone talks with the same tone and everything is done in a depressed manner. There are no ups and downs in emotion and tone, only downs. Season 1 I was holding on to every single word being spoken and the story-line played out much more smoothly and organically. I will finish this season of course because I need to see if/when all these stories tie in together, but this season hasn't been captivating enough overall. Not trying to take over the topic but has anyone watched Ballers or The Brink?


I started a thread for Ballers. With only two episodes left for TD, I can't imagine an ending that will leave me satisfied.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:22 AM

I started a thread for Ballers. With only two episodes left for TD, I can't imagine an ending that will leave me satisfied.

 

 

There's a lot left to tie up. Each of the Big Four have a major plotline to tie up. Ani and her abuse, Paul and the Black Mountain stuff, Velcoro and the rapist, and Semyons whole storyline (no way he lives, right?). 

 

Not to mention the original case.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:51 AM

There's a lot left to tie up. Each of the Big Four have a major plotline to tie up. Ani and her abuse, Paul and the Black Mountain stuff, Velcoro and the rapist, and Semyons whole storyline (no way he lives, right?).

Not to mention the original case.

Yeah they are really packing too many story lined into this season. Any one or two of those would have been great. I'm bracing myself for disappointment.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 11:04 AM

Yeah they are really packing too many story lined into this season. Any one or two of those would have been great. I'm bracing myself for disappointment.

 

Too many cooks. 4 main characters? To much. I think they could have cut Paul entirely and not have lost anything.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 11:40 AM

Im personally loving this season and Ray Velcoro has been my favorite character of the 2 seasons from a pure entertainment standpoint (why I watch anything on TV after all).  While I agree with the consensus that there is alot going on with the 4 main characters, I think its tying together nicely and Im confident that the last 2 episodes will be excellent.  No Spiderman 3 here ;)



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 01:21 PM

Too many cooks. 4 main characters? To much. I think they could have cut Paul entirely and not have lost anything.

I really hated Taylor Kitsch at first, but once he stopped squinting and had a few character moments I warmed up to him.  The part the pisses me off is that he's really only been importantly featured in 3 episodes.  How can you have an entire episode where one of your main characters does nothing?

 

I knew I'd love Colin Farrell in this ever since I saw him in In Bruges.  I had a feeling I'd love Vince Vaughn and he hasn't disappointed.  His character has a couple pacing issues, but I think his has been the most consistent story line.

 

Rachel McAdams is a wonderful actress being given some eh material.  She's good, but Anti isn't doing it for me.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 02:44 PM

I really hated Taylor Kitsch at first, but once he stopped squinting and had a few character moments I warmed up to him.  The part the pisses me off is that he's really only been importantly featured in 3 episodes.  How can you have an entire episode where one of your main characters does nothing?

 

I knew I'd love Colin Farrell in this ever since I saw him in In Bruges.  I had a feeling I'd love Vince Vaughn and he hasn't disappointed.  His character has a couple pacing issues, but I think his has been the most consistent story line.

 

Rachel McAdams is a wonderful actress being given some eh material.  She's good, but Anti isn't doing it for me.

 

Kitsch is doing a good job with what he's been given, he just hasn't been given enough to make him worth while.



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Posted 29 July 2015 - 03:11 PM

Kitsch is doing a good job with what he's been given, he just hasn't been given enough to make him worth while.

After having seen the Magic Mike sequel recently, I would really like a gay buddy cop duo between him and Channing Tatum.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 04:54 PM

I really hated Taylor Kitsch at first, but once he stopped squinting and had a few character moments I warmed up to him

It's like Kitsch finally got the memo that squinting doesn't equal good acting. I feel like that should be drilled into actors/actresses heads long before they get to the big screen.
Say it with me now: squinting does not equal good acting.



Unless of course you're playing a pre-bifocals era semi-blind man.

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Posted 29 July 2015 - 10:17 PM

I thought this most recent episode (with The Eyes Wide Shut party) was pretty good.

Still pretty lukewarm about the show.

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Posted 30 July 2015 - 01:21 AM

I thought this most recent episode (with The Eyes Wide Shut party) was pretty good.

Still pretty lukewarm about the show.

The opening scene between Velcoro and Frank was awesome.  I have no idea why they broke it up into two parts (the ~40 second scene where Paul and Anti ponder the bloody chair in the torture shack interrupts it).  I would have opened the episode with the entire scene uninterrupted.  (something to revisit once the season is complete)

 

The party was very tense and had so many story points intersecting with Anti (emotionally and otherwise).  Too bad they couldn't give Velcoro and Paul something emotionally connected to the party also, but that's well in line with the over complicated plot issue.


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:40 PM

Just caught up on this show; that last episode was nuts! I like how they have 3 characters with enough background depth to make them interesting rather than Russ's insomnia and Harry's infidelity driving the show. Also, Vince Vaughn's character finally got very, very interesting. So far, I like this season much more than the previous. 


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 10:22 PM

Just watched the latest episode. It was very good.

 

Spoiler

 

I don't see any of our intrepid crew making it out of this alive. Maybe Ani. I'm also worried that Ray is the only one who didn't make plans for his family.

 

Also, I'm out of town next week, so I have to wait 2 weeks to see the finale! Bullcrap.



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Posted 10 August 2015 - 12:54 PM

I liked the finale, but I also had huge problems with it as well.  I'll get a long rambly nerd post going here eventually.



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Posted 10 August 2015 - 02:32 PM

I thought the finale was by far the best episode.

 

Overall, I'm giving the season a B-minus.  I thought there was a bit too much piling on by TV critics, but overall there were indeed a number of serious flaws.



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Posted 10 August 2015 - 02:59 PM

I thought the finale was by far the best episode.

Overall, I'm giving the season a B-minus. I thought there was a bit too much piling on by TV critics, but overall there were indeed a number of serious flaws.

Agreed for the most part. I thought the season was much better than people let on (in my opinion). I'll give it an even B.

DONT READ THE POST BELOW MINE IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE FINALE.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 06:56 AM

For a contra opinion: I was pretty lukewarm about season 1 and I'm finding season 2 similarly meh. I think it's a bit better than Boardwalk Empire, which is the faintest of praise, but much closer to that show than to the high-end HBO shows.

 

OMG BRO, 

No you didn't (shakes finger sassily) 

 

I agree about season 2 of TD.  The pacing and script were disjointed and the actors chemistry wasn't top notch.  

Season 1 however.. well .. what didnt you like about it??

 

But most importantly? HOW DID YOU NOT LOVE BWALK..... ESPECIALLY THE FINAL SEASON.. 

seriously just wanna hear your thoughts.


Just watched episode 4 and 5 today.....gotta say season 2 is growing on me.

 

WAIT HUH? Cohen wrote this song?  That damn priest.. great lyrics, tho I envisioned some embattled former gang or war vet/ lifelong sufferer (guess he is).... not this guy.



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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:04 AM

I hope there is a season 3



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Posted 12 August 2015 - 11:07 AM

OMG BRO, 

No you didn't (shakes finger sassily) 

 

I agree about season 2 of TD.  The pacing and script were disjointed and the actors chemistry wasn't top notch.  

Season 1 however.. well .. what didnt you like about it??

 

But most importantly? HOW DID YOU NOT LOVE BWALK..... ESPECIALLY THE FINAL SEASON.. 

seriously just wanna hear your thoughts.

 

On Season 1 of TD:  I thought all the Rust Cohle philosophizing was silly BS, and I thought all the mystical yellow king theorizing was just silly.

 

On BE:  I thought it was cliched, predictable, humorless and overall just mediocre. 

 

Now, to be sure, it suffered by comparison with the great HBO shows like The Sopranos and The Wire -- but BE was the show that HBO was rolling out as a successor to those 2 -- and it wasn't even in the same ballpark.



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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:04 PM

On Season 1 of TD:  I thought all the Rust Cohle philosophizing was silly BS, and I thought all the mystical yellow king theorizing was just silly.

 

 

I was intrigued by Rust and I like a couple of thoughts that stuck with me........I can be a pretty negative guy at times, so maybe thats why and I like "the silly BS".



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Posted 18 August 2015 - 10:08 AM

On Season 1 of TD:  I thought all the Rust Cohle philosophizing was silly BS, and I thought all the mystical yellow king theorizing was just silly.

 

On BE:  I thought it was cliched, predictable, humorless and overall just mediocre. 

 

Now, to be sure, it suffered by comparison with the great HBO shows like The Sopranos and The Wire -- but BE was the show that HBO was rolling out as a successor to those 2 -- and it wasn't even in the same ballpark.

 

Well the nature of philosophy and perception is obviously subjective, so i SHANT argue with you.

 

But.... To me,  the (perceived) transformation of Rusty from an ardent pessimist (resulting from the death of his daughter and the ensuing erosion of his marriage, in tandem with (likely) rewiring of his neural pathways from the persistent use of drugs (most namely meth) causing serious emotional and behavioral disfunction) to slowly beginning to appreciate the mystery of the universe through his obsessive inspection of details pertaining to murders, near death experiences, and ultimately, at the end, an epiphany while he was in a coma that he had shed his body and sense of identity completely, and became one with the "warmth" that he associated with his daughter but with the understanding that it was the greater state of non existence in this realm, and that through his admiring of the stars (metaphorically the great unknown, the great beyond) he had  some sort of incomplete, but newly present awareness of the progression of reality, that it all might be connected, the "oldest story of light and dark", and that in the final moments, he sincerely and openly gestured towards optimism by correcting woody's initial assertion that the dark blanketed the sky, simultaneously signifying his evolution as a character and the infinitely layered dualities of nature... 

 

WELL.... IT MADE ME HEART WARM

 

BE to me was really a cold, harsh but honest look into humanity as it pertains to WILLFUL choices and their consequences. 

I thought the finale was one of the most powerful, satisfying ways to close out an act of expression i have ever seen.

The way that Nucky, this man of power and control, devolved into wandering the boardwalk in dissolution as he once did as a child, the way that he was burdened with the reality of his failures; the pain of leading so many who looked to him for direction astray, that lack of  anything meaningful in his wake and the resulting sense of purposelessness, the awareness that he was in fact a "bad" person and had been responsible for so much destruction for the purpose of his fickle gain, all cascading in his consciousness as his final moments drew near, really struck me.

(That final conversation between him and his brother where he essentially endows upon eli whats left of his material self and they examine their lives together in earnest, sent chills down my spine.)

Then of course, when the young boy who was the son of a woman whose life nucky destroyed before she even had a chance, for the prospects of "advancement"   puts his lights out, as they say, and it literally catches up with him, he fades out realizing in that moment, that at any point along the way, the opportunity for redemption, a "lineage",  was there for the taking and he simply ignored it in favor of perpetuating his empty, Sisyphean, ego driven conquests...

to me it cleverly made the concept of causality, maybe even loosely sin, or good and evil, come to life in world where those words have oft come to mean nothing more than remnants of myth or lofty ideals.  

To me that last episode was top 10 of all film or tv I've watched in my life, and I've watched a lot...

Just my thoughts anyways.



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Posted 18 August 2015 - 11:43 AM

Just finished the series; man, what an ending. Sorry if I don't read the whole thread, but when 

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 11:52 AM

Ok, nerdlings.  Gramma is asleep and I've got the fire in me for some hefty should-be-a-blog-post season 2 TrueD (trudy) analysis.  Beyond this post are major spoilers, which I am not going bother tagging.



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Posted 18 August 2015 - 11:59 AM

Well the nature of philosophy and perception is obviously subjective, so i SHANT argue with you.

 

But.... To me,  the (perceived) transformation of Rusty from an ardent pessimist (resulting from the death of his daughter and the ensuing erosion of his marriage, in tandem with (likely) rewiring of his neural pathways from the persistent use of drugs (most namely meth) causing serious emotional and behavioral disfunction) to slowly beginning to appreciate the mystery of the universe through his obsessive inspection of details pertaining to murders, near death experiences, and ultimately, at the end, an epiphany while he was in a coma that he had shed his body and sense of identity completely, and became one with the "warmth" that he associated with his daughter but with the understanding that it was the greater state of non existence in this realm, and that through his admiring of the stars (metaphorically the great unknown, the great beyond) he had  some sort of incomplete, but newly present awareness of the progression of reality, that it all might be connected, the "oldest story of light and dark", and that in the final moments, he sincerely and openly gestured towards optimism by correcting woody's initial assertion that the dark blanketed the sky, simultaneously signifying his evolution as a character and the infinitely layered dualities of nature... 

 

WELL.... IT MADE ME HEART WARM

 

BE to me was really a cold, harsh but honest look into humanity as it pertains to WILLFUL choices and their consequences. 

I thought the finale was one of the most powerful, satisfying ways to close out an act of expression i have ever seen.

The way that Nucky, this man of power and control, devolved into wandering the boardwalk in dissolution as he once did as a child, the way that he was burdened with the reality of his failures; the pain of leading so many who looked to him for direction astray, that lack of  anything meaningful in his wake and the resulting sense of purposelessness, the awareness that he was in fact a "bad" person and had been responsible for so much destruction for the purpose of his fickle gain, all cascading in his consciousness as his final moments drew near, really struck me.

(That final conversation between him and his brother where he essentially endows upon eli whats left of his material self and they examine their lives together in earnest, sent chills down my spine.)

Then of course, when the young boy who was the son of a woman whose life nucky destroyed before she even had a chance, for the prospects of "advancement"   puts his lights out, as they say, and it literally catches up with him, he fades out realizing in that moment, that at any point along the way, the opportunity for redemption, a "lineage",  was there for the taking and he simply ignored it in favor of perpetuating his empty, Sisyphean, ego driven conquests...

to me it cleverly made the concept of causality, maybe even loosely sin, or good and evil, come to life in world where those words have oft come to mean nothing more than remnants of myth or lofty ideals.  

To me that last episode was top 10 of all film or tv I've watched in my life, and I've watched a lot...

Just my thoughts anyways.

 

 

Good post man, I felt the same way about Rusts last line in season 1.......I think it was a powerful scene......I though the mass deaths of the characters in season 2 was a direct response to all the complaining that Rust didn't die last year.



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Character name: Antigone Bezzerides

Played by: Rachel McAdams

What I call her: Anti

 

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Character name: Paul Woodrugh

Played by: Taylor Kitsch

What I call him: Taylor Kitsch

 

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Character name: Ray Velcoro

Played by: Colin Farrell

What I call him: Velcoro

 

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Character name: Frank Semyon

Played by: Vince Vaughn

I call him: (Vince Gilligan) Frank

 

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