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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:12 PM

How 'bout saying "Both series are going to a Game 7?"  Avoid the awkwardness.

The old write-around. Good advice.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:12 PM

Some draft pick crap to figure out but looks like he's in. (Which I think is a load of crap)

 

Chime in...

 

 

I'm curious who you guys and gals think he'll pull in for assistant coaches?

 

Chime in...

 

It is a complete load of.... Pittsburgh is exploiting a goof up in whatever the league typed out. If a team fires a coach, they should not receive anything for it if another team hires him. It can hurt a coaches chance of landing another coaching position. If the Sabres do have to give up a 3rd round pick, I'd love it if Murray made a comment on how stupid the rule is. Sure, people have gotten on to Murray for saying this, that and the other when he probably shouldn't have, but I wouldn't mind it all if he slammed Pittsburgh for getting a pick. 

 

 

Didn't know Bylsma was relieved of duty, not fired, until after I posted this. 


Edited by GoPre, 28 May 2015 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

It's allowed, but the Sabres should be forcing the Penguins to blink first.  No way can a team want to get the reputation they would get if they don't let Bylsma walk.

But from the Pens' point of view, don't you think they might have the Sabres over a barrel? The Sabres can't let Bylsma too slip away, and Pegula certainly has a reputation of someone who's willing to overspend (in this case, being willing to give up the highest of the picks).



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:17 PM

 

So if enough lazy journalists repeat the same thing enough, it becomes true?

 

Here's the press release from the team.

 

http://penguins.nhl....s.htm?id=721953

 

The Penguins were careful with what they did here. They're entitled to the benefit of the rule, as distasteful as that may seem.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:17 PM

But from the Pens' point of view, don't you think they might have the Sabres over a barrel? The Sabres can't let Bylsma too slip away, and Pegula certainly has a reputation of someone who's willing to overspend (in this case, being willing to give up the highest of the picks).

Careful sunshine.  Tim Murray is running this boat and clearly is not in favor of surrendering the Sabres 2016 3rd.  



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:18 PM

But from the Pens' point of view, don't you think they might have the Sabres over a barrel? The Sabres can't let Bylsma too slip away, and Pegula certainly has a reputation of someone who's willing to overspend (in this case, being willing to give up the highest of the picks).

 

The league's rule prescribes a 3rd rounder, I read. Don't the Sabres have, like, 11 of those in the next 4 years?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:20 PM

The compensation issue is going to turn into another Will Wolford Situation and the rules will be changed after the fact

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:22 PM

 

Possible hang up on picks thought: If PIT wants BUF’s actual third in ‘16 that would affect BUF’s ability to serve offer sheets.

 

Hadn't considered this possibility. Interesting to think about.

 

This is exactly what I think is going on...that's the difference between getting Martin Jones from LA, or not getting Martin Jones. (For example)
 


The league's rule prescribes a 3rd rounder, I read. Don't the Sabres have, like, 11 of those in the next 4 years?

Yes, but it has to be your own draft pick...and you can only use your own draft picks on RFA offer sheets, I believe.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:23 PM

The league's rule prescribes a 3rd rounder, I read. Don't the Sabres have, like, 11 of those in the next 4 years?

 

Yes, but it might say "the team's 3rd" not "a 3rd", so Buffalo might not be able to send on one that's traded for. Someone upthread mentioned that if it's the team's 3rd if affects offer sheets because I believe that does say it has to be the team's pick (not a traded one).

 

EDIT: beaten to the punch, I'll get you for this, Malooga.


Edited by MattPie, 28 May 2015 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:23 PM

The NHL rules regarding tender offers to RFAs require that you have your own pick as comp to the team the RFA is under contract to. It doesn't matter if you have someone else's 3rd, you must have your own if the tender comp calls for a.pick in that round. I think they may be haggling over whether the Sabres must give them their 3rd. 


Edited by 3putt, 28 May 2015 - 01:24 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:26 PM

If they really want a 3rd after firing byslma themselves then ###### it.   Say you give them a fourth now and get back at the 2016 draft. :P



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:26 PM

But from the Pens' point of view, don't you think they might have the Sabres over a barrel? The Sabres can't let Bylsma too slip away, and Pegula certainly has a reputation of someone who's willing to overspend (in this case, being willing to give up the highest of the picks).

 

They can let him slip away.  Actually, they should be making a show of courting Richardson.


Edited by Eleven, 28 May 2015 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:28 PM

So if enough lazy journalists repeat the same thing enough, it becomes true?

 

Here's the press release from the team.

 

http://penguins.nhl....s.htm?id=721953

 

The Penguins were careful with what they did here. They're entitled to the benefit of the rule, as distasteful as that may seem.

Careful?  How can that be? The rule did not even exist at the time.

 

They were being "polite" by saying that he was "relieved" which is a euphemism for being fired.  Here is the press release you link:

 

Dan Bylsma has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the Pittsburgh Penguins, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Jim Rutherford.

Bylsma had coached the Penguins for five-plus seasons, compiling a record of 252-117-32 and leading the team to the Stanley Cup in 2009.

“Dan is a good man and a good coach, but I thought we needed a change in direction moving forward,” Rutherford said. “I have no doubt that he will go on to be a head coach in the National Hockey League and have success. The search for our new head coach will begin immediately.”

“We want to thank Dan for everything he has done for the Penguins organization,” co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said in a joint statement. “He’ll always be remembered as a big part of Pittsburgh sports history for his role in our Stanley Cup championship in 2009. We wish all the best to him and his family.”

Assistant coaches Tony Granato, Todd Reirden and Jacques Martin, goaltending coach Mike Bales and video coordinator Andy Saucier will be evaluated by Rutherford and the incoming head coach. Rutherford will evaluate the remainder of the hockey operations staff.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

This rule they created shouldn't apply to coaches who were fired and the fact they don't have language to that affect,  :wallbash:



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

We have 3 thirds next year give them one and call it a day.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:31 PM

FWIW we should get an official hiring today. NHL won't want this hanging over two game sevens on Friday and Saturday (yeah eleven, sevens!)

 

2 7s, eh?

 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:35 PM

I wonder how this sits with the NHLPA. To have a RFA market, there needs to be a certain amount of liquidity when it comes to players and picks.

If coaches and administration are going to tie up picks, then that really dries up any RFA liquidity and the signing of offer sheets. 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:37 PM

Was this article posted yet?

 

http://espn.go.com/b...-gms-executives

 

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Some of teams that supported defined compensation didn't believe it would apply to "fired" coaches/GMs. But it does.


Edited by Kruppstahl, 28 May 2015 - 01:38 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:38 PM

Note: Told that compensation issue on the Bylsma #Sabres #Pens issue is between clubs at this point... Not determined at NHL level.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:40 PM

 

Note: Told that compensation issue on the Bylsma #Sabres #Pens issue is between clubs at this point... Not determined at NHL level.

 

Yep.  Pittsburgh is getting help by getting Bylsma off their books; Murray should tell them to take that 3rd rounder and shove it.

 

See article linked in Post #58 above.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:45 PM

It's been confirmed the Oilers had to compensate the Bruins for Chiarelli.

Shouldn't they also have to compensate the Sharks for McLellan?

 

Wasn't deBoer still under contract to the Devils?

 

Isn't Rutherford making enemies by asking for compensation for Bylsma, but not for Shero?

 

Finally, weren't  a lot of officials pissed at the Sabres about the Tim Murray search and that was one of the reasons this rule was instituted in the first place?


Edited by dudacek, 28 May 2015 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:46 PM

Never easy in Buffalo is it....



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:47 PM

Careful? How can that be? The rule did not even exist at the time.

They were being "polite" by saying that he was "relieved" which is a euphemism for being fired. Here is the press release you link:

Dan Bylsma has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the Pittsburgh Penguins, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Jim Rutherford.
Bylsma had coached the Penguins for five-plus seasons, compiling a record of 252-117-32 and leading the team to the Stanley Cup in 2009.
“Dan is a good man and a good coach, but I thought we needed a change in direction moving forward,” Rutherford said. “I have no doubt that he will go on to be a head coach in the National Hockey League and have success. The search for our new head coach will begin immediately.”
“We want to thank Dan for everything he has done for the Penguins organization,” co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said in a joint statement. “He’ll always be remembered as a big part of Pittsburgh sports history for his role in our Stanley Cup championship in 2009. We wish all the best to him and his family.”
Assistant coaches Tony Granato, Todd Reirden and Jacques Martin, goaltending coach Mike Bales and video coordinator Andy Saucier will be evaluated by Rutherford and the incoming head coach. Rutherford will evaluate the remainder of the hockey operations staff.


Words matter. They continued to employ him so that they could have some measure of control over where he went.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:50 PM

Never easy in Buffalo is it....

Well said.

 

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:51 PM

Point being, you can't have been fired when you're still on your employer's payroll. Bylsma wasn't fired. Other terms and conditions of his employment changed - namely, his duties.

Edited by That Aud Smell, 28 May 2015 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:52 PM

Bylsma..... Bylsma..... Bylsma.....

 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:57 PM

Considering Pittsburgh stellar record of hitting of draft picks in the later rounds over the last ten years, I'm not sure this even matters.

 

I'd love to revisit this to see what future superstar they hit on with one of our 3rd round picks.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:59 PM

Official:

 

BREAKING NEWS: Dan Bylsma has been named the 17th head coach in #Sabres franchise history. #WelcomeDan pic.twitter.com/vQ6FbdPDnY

 
 


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 01:59 PM

Bylsma officially hired by Sabres. Give up a 3rd round pick next year as compensation.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:00 PM

 

Official:

 

BREAKING NEWS: Dan Bylsma has been named the 17th head coach in #Sabres franchise history. #WelcomeDan pic.twitter.com/vQ6FbdPDnY

 
 

 

Nice



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:00 PM

Newser at 4 p.m.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:00 PM

Dan Bylsma's hiring is official. There's a 4 p.m. news conference.



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:00 PM

 

Official:

 

BREAKING NEWS: Dan Bylsma has been named the 17th head coach in #Sabres franchise history. #WelcomeDan pic.twitter.com/vQ6FbdPDnY

 
 

 

 

How do you like this for fate? IT'S BATTISTA!

 

Disco...Sabre...Penn State...
 

The Disco Biscuits : Sabre Dance @ Penn State


Edited by MBHockey13, 28 May 2015 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:04 PM

 

Dan Bylsma's hiring is official. There's a 4 p.m. news conference.

 

Cool. Glad we got the (seemingly) next choice of GMTM.

 

(although a Richardson hiring would have solidified my Tom Webster contest predictions  :P )



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:04 PM

a quality hire



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:05 PM

Was this article posted yet?

 

http://espn.go.com/b...-gms-executives

 

 Follow 

Some of teams that supported defined compensation didn't believe it would apply to "fired" coaches/GMs. But it does.

 

Who would it apply to if not "fired" coaches and GMs?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:05 PM

This picture deserves more than a few captions:

 

Attached File  bylsma.jpg   30.05KB   48 downloads

 

My favourite?

"Hmm, definitely not Babcock"



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:05 PM

 

Bylsma officially hired by Sabres. Give up a 3rd round pick next year as compensation.

 

So does that mean it wasn't ours?



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:06 PM

WGR will have the news conference.

 

It's exciting to finally have a head coach, and one with a Stanley Cup victory on his resume.  Welcome Disco Dan Bylsma!

 



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Posted 28 May 2015 - 02:07 PM

This picture deserves more than a few captions:

 

attachicon.gifbylsma.jpg

 

My favourite?

"Hmm, definitely not Babcock"

 

You haven't finished your signature Dan.







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