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#1 That Aud Smell

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 11:49 AM

I saw that Coller at WGR tweeted this. Interesting development.

 

The Beauts, apparently.

 

http://pointstreaksi.../buffalo-beauts



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:08 PM

Nice.  The pipeline of talented young Canadian and American (and other!) women hockey players has been opening up pretty wide over the past dozen years, and it's high time for a real pro opportunity for post-grads and post-juniors.

 

Puck Daddy writeup.

 

Ruggiero's involved, that's a good thing.

 

At the very least, it's going to be an entertaining league that has cheap tickets and cheap beer.  At best, it'll grow to be a legit pro league that showcases the sport and inspires young players.


Edited by IKnowPhysics, 26 March 2015 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:14 PM

I'll pay just to support it. I don't even need to see the games. How much do I have to donate to give women a place to play?

This is good. Plus there is a good talent pool around here to draw from. RIT, Mercyhurst, Robert Morris, etc.

Women's hockey could do well here.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:20 PM

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I'm not crazy about "Beauts."


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:21 PM

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I'm not crazy about "Beauts" and I'm really not crazy about the recycled Whalers logo. It doesn't even make a "B."

 

There's four teams.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:22 PM

A little hint of the old Bisons logo in that Beauts logo, no?

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:24 PM

There's four teams.

I'm a little slow.  WIll they play at Harborcenter?


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:25 PM

A little hint of the old Bisons logo in that Beauts logo, no?

 

It's got potential.  I appreciate the sword-iness. I also appreciate the homage of each team's logo to the men's pro league logo of that city.  It's a nice move in the direction of equality and synergy.  The Beauts could rock the Sabres' 40th anniversary jersey and look pretty damn good doing it.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:31 PM

The one thing I wonder about is the draft of Juniors. It works in the CHL/NHL since there's enough money to make it worthwhile for the players, but I'd be hard-pressed to move to another city for what (in their own words) is a part-time job. What if you have a job offer in Boston for your field but Buffalo drafts you? Does the team get compensated somehow if you won't play?



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:32 PM

It's got potential. I appreciate the sword-iness. I also appreciate the homage of each team's logo to the men's pro league logo of that city. It's a nice move in the direction of equality and synergy. The Beauts could rock the Sabres' 40th anniversary jersey and look pretty damn good doing it.


This would be a great opportunity for some more "One Buffalo" marketing.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:37 PM

The one thing I wonder about is the draft of Juniors. It works in the CHL/NHL since there's enough money to make it worthwhile for the players, but I'd be hard-pressed to move to another city for what (in their own words) is a part-time job. What if you have a job offer in Boston for your field but Buffalo drafts you? Does the team get compensated somehow if you won't play?

 

I imagine players that declare their eligibility want to play in that league, and they'll know that comes at a the risk that they play in a town not of their choosing.  Life event logistical bonus: the draft occurs one year before their senior year is over, so they have a year to plan their move.

 

It's probably not that different from drafting Russian players and asking them in pre-draft interviews about staying in the K.


This would be a great opportunity for some more "One Buffalo" marketing.

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Aye.


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:41 PM

 

 

 

I imagine players that declare their eligibility want to play in that league, and they'll know that comes at a the risk that they play in a town not of their choosing.  Life event logistical bonus: the draft occurs one year before their senior year is over, so they have a year to plan their move.

 

It's probably not that different from drafting Russian players and asking them in pre-draft interviews about staying in the K.

 

 

I was thinking there'd have to be contracts and whatnot signed pre-draft, but man would it suck to give up a great job for nothing because you had to go play. As a side note there, I wonder how they'll deal with walk-ons. As a player, I might not declare for the draft, finish up college, and then try to walk-on to a team based on where I have a job or even plan it out that way (I want to play in Buffalo, so I'll walk-on when I get a job there).

 

Actually, why doesn't that work for the CHL/NHL? Is declaring yourself eligible for the NHL draft part of the CHL contract for players?



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:46 PM

 

I'm not crazy about "Beauts."

 

Why? Because of a grrl thang?



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:46 PM

Actually, why doesn't that work for the CHL/NHL? Is declaring yourself eligible for the NHL draft part of the CHL contract for players?

 

It's part of the NHL CBA (not the CHL).  NHL CBA mandates that player wishing to enter the NHL, that meet inclusive requirements, must declare eligibility for a draft.  If they pass through a draft undrafted, or do not meet draft eligibility requirements, they're effectively UFAs.  http://en.wikipedia....ligible_players



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:48 PM

Cool stuff.  I'd definitely attend games.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:50 PM

It's part of the NHL CBA (not the CHL).  NHL CBA mandates that player wishing to enter the NHL, that meet inclusive requirements, must declare eligibility for a draft.  If they pass through a draft undrafted, or do not meet draft eligibility requirements, they're effectively UFAs.  http://en.wikipedia....ligible_players

 

Ah, that makes way more sense.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 12:52 PM

I'm not sure why any girl would want to play on a team called "The Whale".

 

It's a nice idea and all, and if I was in Buffalo and bored I might attend a game, but I can't predict super exciting hockey. Don't get me wrong - I love the idea of girls playing, and even a few play in the lower levels of the beer leagues down here, and I've played with a few - and one could hold her own pretty well. 

 

But it's not going to be more entertaining than a Canisius College Men's Game. I'm not sure where they'll get the money to pay the players.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:03 PM

Why? Because of a grrl thang?

A grrl I know does not love the name either. But as an Islanders fan she hates the Riveters' colors, initials and logo — all borrowed heavily from the Rangers — so she might by default have to be a Beaut fan.

 

The Beaut logo is a subtle, more abstract buffalo than we're used to seeing. I kind of like it.


Why does the Pride logo feature Hershey skid marks?



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:03 PM

FWIW, I'm given to understand that "beaut" is a term that is used without regard to gender in the hockey world.

 

"You see that sick saucer pass that Gordo sent me? Guy's a real beaut."



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:06 PM

A grrl I know does not love the name either. But as an Islanders fan she hates the Riveters' colors, initials and logo — all borrowed heavily from the Rangers — so she might by default have to be a Beaut fan.

 

The Beaut logo is a subtle, more abstract buffalo than we're used to seeing. I kind of like it.


Why does the Pride logo feature Hershey skid marks?

 

I assume they're going to tie a lion in there with the black-gold color scheme. Those are scratches.


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:10 PM

FWIW, I'm given to understand that "beaut" is a term that is used without regard to gender in the hockey world.

 

"You see that sick saucer pass that Gordo sent me? Guy's a real beaut."

Never thought of that. A double-entendre then.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:28 PM

I assume they're going to tie a lion in there with the black-gold color scheme. Those are scratches.

And they're a pride.


Never thought of that.

 

Nor had I.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:37 PM

FWIW, I'm given to understand that "beaut" is a term that is used without regard to gender in the hockey world.

 

"You see that sick saucer pass that Gordo sent me? Guy's a real beaut."

 

Unfortunately, 99% of casual fans won't know that and will think it a misogynistic term, on par with the "Peaches" and "Belles" in the All American Girls Professional Baseball League.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:43 PM

Unfortunately, 99% of casual fans won't know that and will think it a misogynistic term, on par with the "Peaches" and "Belles" in the All American Girls Professional Baseball League.

Agreed that this is an issue.

 

But if handled correctly, it could come off the right way.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 01:59 PM

big oaks sprout from little acorns, with the increasing popularity of women's hockey, especially in the Olympics,  putting a team in a

hockey crazy area like Buffalo could be a major win/win for everyone



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 02:10 PM

I imagine the Beauts will lead the league in scoring, the Pride in PIM, the Riveters in blocked shots and the Whale in, uh, fat jokes.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 02:46 PM

I'll pay to watch women's hockey when they allow checking. Otherwise it looks like practice.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 02:55 PM

 I'm not sure where they'll get the money to pay the players.

 

I'm guessing the Salaries are going to very VERY reasonable.  Maybe a couple hundred dollars a game to close to $1000 for the best players?  Figure more of a salary structure like the Indoor Lacrosse league (Bandits) started out with.....less like the WNBA.  It won't be a full time career for the girls, but just something where they can see where it goes in the future.  $15,000 per player, split up amont how many games?  20?  It'll be interesting.

 

4 teams is a bit low.....but you dont want too many or have them spread apart too much.  Maybe, Maybe if it works out....a second 4 team division.....Detroit....Minneapolis....Chicago...St. Louis??


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 03:12 PM

I'm guessing the Salaries are going to very VERY reasonable.  Maybe a couple hundred dollars a game to close to $1000 for the best players?  Figure more of a salary structure like the Indoor Lacrosse league (Bandits) started out with.....less like the WNBA.  It won't be a full time career for the girls, but just something where they can see where it goes in the future.  $15,000 per player, split up amont how many games?  20?  It'll be interesting.

 

4 teams is a bit low.....but you dont want too many or have them spread apart too much.  Maybe, Maybe if it works out....a second 4 team division.....Detroit....Minneapolis....Chicago...St. Louis??

 

The article mentions a salary cap of $270000 per team, so that averages $15k per player. The best players could probably make a go of it as a full-time gig ($35k?), but that means others are going to be working for beer money.



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 03:23 PM

I'll pay to watch women's hockey when they allow checking. Otherwise it looks like practice.


Watching the game in its purest form doesn't appeal eh? No enjoyment gleaned from watching a pure skill format?

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 03:29 PM

Watching the game in its purest form doesn't appeal eh? No enjoyment gleaned from watching a pure skill format?


Is checking not a skill? I'm asking.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 03:36 PM

Is checking not a skill? I'm asking.

 

It is, but I don't think excluding it hurts the game that much. The women still battle hard. I don't know if I'm biased or something, but I've never found women's hockey unentertaining in its current format. In fact I prefer it, because it allows more skilled but small players to be successful when they don't have to worry about the girl who is my size trying to kill them. 



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 03:57 PM

Unfortunately, 99% of casual fans won't know that and will think it a misogynistic term, on par with the "Peaches" and "Belles" in the All American Girls Professional Baseball League.


To be honest, I did a double take when I saw the name, and I wouldn't exactly consider myself a casual hockey fan. Aud's explanation makes sense though, I just look at it that way naturally.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 04:40 PM

The one thing I wonder about is the draft of Juniors. It works in the CHL/NHL since there's enough money to make it worthwhile for the players, but I'd be hard-pressed to move to another city for what (in their own words) is a part-time job. What if you have a job offer in Boston for your field but Buffalo drafts you? Does the team get compensated somehow if you won't play?

 That is a bit surprising. When the MILL was starting out they'd primarily have players play for their "local" teams when possible. Of course the league owned all the teams, so it was easier to pull that off. But having players play local when possible and then draft players from MN, MI, Canada, and elsewhere is how I'd've expected they'd do it.
 

FWIW, I'm given to understand that "beaut" is a term that is used without regard to gender in the hockey world.
 
"You see that sick saucer pass that Gordo sent me? Guy's a real beaut, eh."


Fixed it for ya. ;)

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 04:45 PM

That is a bit surprising. When the MILL was starting out they'd primarily have players play for their "local" teams when possible. Of course the league owned all the teams, so it was easier to pull that off. But having players play local when possible and then draft players from MN, MI, Canada, and elsewhere is how I'd've expected they'd do it.


Fixed it for ya. ;)


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Posted 26 March 2015 - 04:52 PM

I saw that Coller at WGR tweeted this. Interesting development.

 

The Beauts, apparently.

 

http://pointstreaksi.../buffalo-beauts

 

why would this be remotely interesting?



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 07:55 PM

Fixed it for ya. ;)


Nicely done.

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 08:02 PM

Would be neat if the Beauts were from Montana. 



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Posted 26 March 2015 - 08:19 PM

Would be neat if the Beauts were from Montana. 

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 08:54 PM

Watching the game in its purest form doesn't appeal eh? No enjoyment gleaned from watching a pure skill format?


I don't enjoy watching players gliding around like an all star game exhibition when a simple check could eliminate many of the scoring chances.

It takes more skill to score when you're getting checked throughout the game then it is when you know you can't be hit.

When I coached U18 boys hockey we played a couple games against a team from Canada who insisted we play no check. It was boring and the our kids hated it.

This isn't the 1950s; women should want to be allowed to play by the same rules as the men.





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